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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine(2-(3-methoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)cyclohexanone) Thread

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Plan on mixing this with some 2c-d tonight. I predict they will go together beautifully :D
 
Has anyone else mixed an opiate with methoxetamine yet ? I have & I feel that the effects of the opiate were increased. If you're into shooting high doses of strong opiates I'd be careful & bear in mind the half life of the methoxetamine, which to my knowledge hasn't yet been ascertained but I reckon it's quite long.
 
well i can confirm that this substance will make you feel completely absurd and will make you question the very nature of reality.
 
Delsyd said:
sounds like a dissociative
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It's all sounding quite promising as a nice dissociative. I'm not a fan of opiates - is the opiate feeling dominant? Is it 'gouchy' or will it put you to sleep in higher doses (meaning less than the usual ketamine anaesthetic doses).

There's quite a variation of reported effects on here - i'd expect this from a drug that's even slightly like ketamine (hits everyone differently); but could anyone give a bit more detail on dose levels?

Some have reported a nice hit on as little as 10 mg (prolly ket lightweights ;) ). Others have said 50mg is a nice line; although not many (or none?) seem to have reached a 'hole' in this sort of dose range.

Is the lack of hole just down to dosage, or just the nature of this compound? (i don't particularly want a hole every time i do ket anyway). If it comes with higher dosage, do you think there's any danger of overdoing the opiate effect?

Ive got a 75mg sample waiting just wandering if it's worth doing a tentative 10mg snort to get the idea of the chem; or should i start with 25 or even the whole 75? (ive plenty of ket experience, but as i say, i don't necessarily want a hole every time, so use in sub-hole doses mostly)
 
I have more opioid tolerance than I do NMDA-antaognist tolerance.

And to me, at the lower doses I experimented with (>25mg), the opiate side was definitely the more dominant one. Mind you, if this were just an opioid, it would be moderate at best, not more intense than, say, dihydrocodeine. For me, it was so much an opioid that every time I took it I had the itches!

I just discovered that I miscalculated and that what I have left over is mere 17mg. I'm contemplating pointing the needle elsewhere instead of IMing as originally planned...
 
Vurtual said:
It's all sounding quite promising as a nice dissociative. I'm not a fan of opiates - is the opiate feeling dominant? Is it 'gouchy' or will it put you to sleep in higher doses (meaning less than the usual ketamine anaesthetic doses).

There's quite a variation of reported effects on here - i'd expect this from a drug that's even slightly like ketamine (hits everyone differently); but could anyone give a bit more detail on dose levels?

Some have reported a nice hit on as little as 10 mg (prolly ket lightweights ;) ). Others have said 50mg is a nice line; although not many (or none?) seem to have reached a 'hole' in this sort of dose range.

Is the lack of hole just down to dosage, or just the nature of this compound? (i don't particularly want a hole every time i do ket anyway). If it comes with higher dosage, do you think there's any danger of overdoing the opiate effect?

Ive got a 75mg sample waiting just wandering if it's worth doing a tentative 10mg snort to get the idea of the chem; or should i start with 25 or even the whole 75? (ive plenty of ket experience, but as i say, i don't necessarily want a hole every time, so use in sub-hole doses mostly)
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I have very little previous experience with dissociatives, certainly no real tolerance, and only a little more experience with the weaker opiates/opioids (stims are my thing normally)..

With that in mind here's my take - 25mg snorted was perfectly manageable, it reminded me of medium dose ket, but without any muscle debilitation.. I could talk and walk, albeit a little wobbly under foot. I can't really pick up so much on the opiate side, but thats probably due to inexperience with that class of drug (just occasional experiences of the weaker ones - codeine, DHC, tramadol, M1 tramadol) - to me it makes your mind and body feel cotton-woolly, velvety, slightly fuzzy, very relaxed, and makes me a little irreverant.

50mg snorted - all of the above just stronger.. Note, come up to peak takes around 45 mins for me with insufflation, although first effects noticed within a couple of mins.

35mg sublingual - 20-25 mins to peak and bloody strong (but not what I'd imagine a k-hole to be like, though never had one of those), like seemingly twice as strong as the same dose snorted. And it lasted more like 3.5 hours rather than 2.5 hours which makes no sense to me as I thought logic is that the faster & more efficient the ROA, the shorter the experience!?

If you have plenty of ket experience you'll be fine on 50mg snorted first time, obviously pending allergy test etc.
 
Cheers for t'answers.

So do you reckon a 10 mg line is worth doing? I'm just thinking if it would give me a taste (on a comedown from summat else (bf)), but still leave the substantial hit for another day. Or should i go with 25 and just leave 50 for again (i dunno..... sounds like im a saddo just asking "Please think for me"; "if you say to do it then its not my fault" ("da man told me to do it")

Any way - im gunna do some of it anyway - thinking about it im probably not gooing to be able to stop at the 10mg anyway
 
Cheers Jed - im leaning towards 25 anyway (im on my own so i dont want to full on ket out - plus i find it a bit useless for music (amazing for listening and good for making far out sounds, but not much for focus and creating coherent structures).

Sublingual ROA sounds interesting; what does it taste like? Surely in this method, plenty still goes to the stomach anyway (for possible nor-ketamine type reactions) - i spose this is still true for snorts with backdrip - but i always spit out the back drip instinctively with k (long before i heard about nor-ket - we'd always have a few spitoons in the house when we was going to have a k binge (usually 3 or 4 days long - there was a LOT about back then))
 
i think im going to snort my 50mg at once
reading other reports people seem to have the best time on 50mg
more mild with less
 
What happens when it goes in your stomach? I had quite a bit of back drip despite only doing 25mg. Have been a bit constipated, as it goes...
 
Vurtual said:
Cheers Jed - im leaning towards 25 anyway (im on my own so i dont want to full on ket out - plus i find it a bit useless for music (amazing for listening and good for making far out sounds, but not much for focus and creating coherent structures).

Sublingual ROA sounds interesting; what does it taste like? Surely in this method, plenty still goes to the stomach anyway (for possible nor-ketamine type reactions) - i spose this is still true for snorts with backdrip - but i always spit out the back drip instinctively with k (long before i heard about nor-ket - we'd always have a few spitoons in the house when we was going to have a k binge (usually 3 or 4 days long - there was a LOT about back then))
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Well I'd never tried anything sublingual before so was a bit skeptical, but my friend insisted it hit him like an express train.. and my gf said that in the early 90s when she used to do a lot of amphetamine, sublingual was a stronger ROA than snorting it, so I thought I'd give it a shot..

I just licked it off the square of paper I'd used to weight it on and then swished round my mouth, under my tounge etc for about a minute, the saliva builds up fast - the taste seemed to get progressively more bitter and after a minute I couldnt really stand it any longer, but thought a lot of it must have absorbed by then so just swallowed whatever was left with a mouthful of pepsi.

Seriously a lot more potent for me than snorting, it still caught me off guard despite being told that it would be stronger!
 
this drug caused a bizarre effect. i tried jumping in the air in my living room and it felt as if i could stay in the air as if i was on the moon or under water and that if i concentrated hard enough i could just sort of levitate. it was a very euphoric sensation i might have to repeat.
 
^lol i'll give it a go next time, definately had massive time distortion for me at 75mg :)
 
JedTheHumanoid said:
What happens when it goes in your stomach? I had quite a bit of back drip despite only doing 25mg. Have been a bit constipated, as it goes...
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Not sure with this analogue - but apparently, ket turns into Nor-ketamine (in the stomach? liver?) - this is less hallucinogenic and euphoric, and more anaesthetic (more likely to produce unconsciousness) also some people say it gives stomach discomfort. Please correct me as you wish o hoary thousand posted-ones ;)

A bit of your drip going down the back from a line wont really affect your experience i wouldn't think (only really if you eat/drink the whole dose directly). Constipation could be from the supposed opiate affinity (eg it's a common complaint of codeine)

Remeber - this is a novel compound and is NOT ketamine; so hasn't for instance been through the safety test which all medicines intended for humans have to pass; we don't really know anything about it - and we can't assume that its a s safe as ketamine (it's probably not vastly different but it could be).

As i said ive always spat out the drip of k even before i knew this; k prodcues that funny foamy spit - i just didn't feel like i wanted to swallow it but spit it out (whereas i love to pull through mdma line snot and swallow it down for a morning pick-me-up - just me then? /i'll get me coat
 
^ Now that you mention it, I remember a good friend of mine carrying a cup around when we took K together in which he'll eventually start constantly spitting this foamy stuff.

I guess I'm just special in that I rarely get any negative physical effects from K (knock on wood)? Never got the spit thing, only got stomach pain a couple of times after tremendously-heavy use, and never any bladder trouble :\

On topic: Norketamine is produced through N-demethylation. I believe someone suggested that the N-Ethyl analogue of Ketamine would not be subject to this step and will remain as-is. Methoxetamine is N-ethylated, so chances are it does not turn into nor-methoxetamine, but I could be wrong.
 
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