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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy MET Thread

Ballz_Trippington said:
What little was able to extract after wasting about 25grams left a few hundred milligrams of so of a inert substance.
It just doesnt freebase like dmt or dot does which works simply for me.
Very strange...
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That should say it dieznt freebase like dmt or DPT * does.
The edit button always deletes my post for some reason...
 
Ballz_Trippington said:
That should say it dieznt freebase like dmt or DPT * does.
The edit button always deletes my post for some reason...
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I tried the 10 minute sodium carbonate tek and the oil collected on the surface like DMT does but then disappeared into the cloudy solution before I could get to it, very strange.

more research is needed. I’ll let you know if I manage it.

I saw your post before trying which is why I tried with such a small amount first, thanks for the heads up.
 
I am wondering if converting to acetate and freebasing with heat would work but I can’t remember if this was debunked. Off to research.
 
Silly idea, but some stuff like aluminium salts, phenols, etc precipitate then go back to solution if you use sodium or potassium hydroxyd, but precipitate ok with amoniac.
Just to test it, would you try a bit with nh4oh ?
 
Could you potentially make MET infused vape juice in the same way people are making DMT vape juice?

And man I forgot again, is this stuff that much nastier to smoke than DMT?
 
Sorry for double post another question, I know this stuff is relatively new, is there ANY reason imaginable that it would be dangerous to mix with MDMA? I'd like to use the MET infused vape juice on the tail-end of candyflips this summer, sounds like a good combo.
 
There should be no reason for it to be dangerous to mix with MDMA, as it is a serotonin agonist and not reuptake inhibitor or releaser.
 
DMTShroom1986 said:
A bit of a head scratcher this one, I don?t want to waste anymore of what I have but really want to be able to vape this. Fingers crossed we can find a way.
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Would love to hear about it if you've had any success since this post!

Tried making a tiny bit of freebase 5-ho-met this evening using sodium carbonate, just a tiny bit on a spoon the ghetto way, its all dried now but im not sure when i'll actually try vaping it.

EDIT: *4 ho met
 
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My bad , I mean't 4-ho-met. I've had some 4 ho met sitting around for ages that I'm 99% sure is fumarate so thought i'd try and convert that fumarate to freebase before actually get and waste a bunch of MET if it doesn't work well. I know they're not the same, but it seems converting tryptamines to freebase from fumarate isn't always the easiest. Consulting the entire internet I can't any success stories of turning MET fumarate into freebase let alone brew up a working vape juice with it.
 
I had moderate success converting some of the MET I just got into freebase. I got about 80mg of freebase from 200mg of MET fumarate, which is a 50% yield.

I put the MET in a shot glass and added a few ml of potassium hydroxide solution and stirred it a little bit. Then I extracted it a few times with 91% isopropyl alcohol. Isopropanol isn't miscible with potassium hydroxide in water and forms a layer on top. I evaporated the alcohol and ended up with some brownish liquid MET freebase.

I vaporized a small amount in an oil burner and it was good. It was potent and the vapor wasn't nasty.
 
cj187 said:
I had moderate success converting some of the MET I just got into freebase. I got about 80mg of freebase from 200mg of MET fumarate, which is a 50% yield.

I put the MET in a shot glass and added a few ml of potassium hydroxide solution and stirred it a little bit. Then I extracted it a few times with 91% isopropyl alcohol. Isopropanol isn't miscible with potassium hydroxide in water and forms a layer on top. I evaporated the alcohol and ended up with some brownish liquid MET freebase.

I vaporized a small amount in an oil burner and it was good. It was potent and the vapor wasn't nasty.
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Very interesting! What made you choose that process over using sodium carbonate? Yours is the first actual success story i've read on getting any freebase out of the fumarate.
 
Since freebasing has proven frustrating for do many people, why not nebulize? If dissolved in something like propylene glycol and used in a nebulizing vape rig, the temperature would not approach that where it might degrade. Onset might be slower than with true vaporization, but I don't think think that would be an issue since it doesn't have DMT's instatolerance issue. It wouldn't be necessary to freebase if used this way, I wouldn't imagine, especially if using a bowl-style instead of wicking nebulizer. Seems safer, too, as the risk of nasty accidental pyrolization byproducts would be greatly reduced.
 
Pfafffed said:
Since freebasing has proven frustrating for do many people, why not nebulize? If dissolved in something like propylene glycol and used in a nebulizing vape rig, the temperature would not approach that where it might degrade. Onset might be slower than with true vaporization, but I don't think think that would be an issue since it doesn't have DMT's instatolerance issue. It wouldn't be necessary to freebase if used this way, I wouldn't imagine, especially if using a bowl-style instead of wicking nebulizer. Seems safer, too, as the risk of nasty accidental pyrolization byproducts would be greatly reduced.
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Its a cool idea, some quick research reveals its not very practical and can't find a single true success story doing that.

cj187 said:
I tried using sodium carbonate the last time I had some MET and didn't get good results. This time I wanted to try a different method and I already had the potassium hydroxide.
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Seems all the other takes people didn't have success with sodium carbonate either, thats so strange that it would just not work well for some things. Wonder what the chemistry-logic behind this is?

Also, any idea why yours came out as a liquid? I'd just be concerned that liquid would be leftovers from the process if it started as a solid?
 
Hilopsilo said:
Its a cool idea, some quick research reveals its not very practical and can't find a single true success story doing that.
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That's interesting. I've had luck with EPT, the only one I've attempted it with. While I don't read a lot of reports about it on the forums, I have read several articles in fairly well-known magazines where the use of DMT vape pens in public/concert/festival settings was mentioned. Since I got the idea from a friend overseas that had successfully it by suspending the DMT in a PG/VG solution, I just assumed that was the route most people were using. From reading the forums, it sounds like DMT is tricky, because of the instant tolerance and long time needed to get it into solution. It took me eighteen hours to get EPT in solution, if I remember right. If I experiment more, I'll post on it.

Hilopsilo said:
Also, any idea why yours came out as a liquid?
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This is common. Heck, with many tryptamines it's more common to end up with a liquid freebase than a crystal. It's quite a pain. The liquid works fine, but it's a pain to weigh and work with, often just easier to use to make enhanced leaf imo.
 
Here's an anecdotal report of an adverse reaction that you can take for what it's worth. I've been meaning to write this up for a while. tl;dr vaporized MET fumarate may have caused lung irritation and bronchitis.

A friend and I were both pretty much completely recovered from what was either a bad cold or mild flu. Symptoms were largely gone, but our energy levels weren't where they normally were. We had been planning a psychedelic experience for the last two weekends, but had been sick/busy. On Sunday evening, we decided that the short-acting, lightweight, friendly, non-challenging experiences that many simple tryptamines like MET provide wouldn't put too much of a strain on us.

I have vaped MET fumarate (and several other tryptamine fumarates) several times before using a dual quartz coil vape pen to no ill effect, as has my friend. I'm aware that fumarate salts are unhealthy to vaporize, but I'm also aware that the actual amount of moles of maleic anhydride produced is quite small if not inconsequential. The one and only time my friend vaporized MET before, they mentioned to me that it felt bad in their lungs, a detail that I forgot about over the intervening months. I've come across a few other reports of vaporized MET feeling "caustic" or otherwise harsh when vaporized (would link to them, but that violates Bluelight rules.)

This time, I used a new vape pen with a bucket style heating element which my friend was unfamiliar with. After loading it up, they attempted to inhale before the powder had melted, and ended up inhaling and ingesting MET particulate. This engendered an instantaneous coughing fit, followed by the use of an inhaler. They again mentioned that it felt bad in their lungs, and that they would never vaporize it again. When I vaporized my portion, it felt more unpleasant than I remembered, but not especially noteworthy. I felt like this was probably due to the larger dose, caused by the marked increase in efficiency of the new vaporizer.

My experience started off familiar and pleasant, but quickly escalated into what felt similar to late stage sourness that I often get from mushrooms. Just a dark and oppressive, but nonthreatening heavy atmosphere--utterly unlike the warm positivity I had always experienced from MET before. This is possibly due to the increased dose, possibly due to some residual oxidized tryptamines in the bucket vaporizer, or maybe it just was what it was. I listened to some music and decided to go for a roll in the hay, which made for a strange experience (as the vibe was one of separation and alienation instead of warmth and connection.) The peak was over quickly and was quite manageable even though it was entirely unpleasant. My friend barely got above baseline, having inhaled rather than vaporized most of their dose.

The following day, my friend was very ill, far more ill than they had been the week prior. The first day was bad, the second day was worse--the fever, shaking, and chills made them consider going to the emergency room. Instead, they went to their GP and were prescribed strong antibiotics with a best guess diagnosis of bronchitis. The next day, they began to recover, eventually recovering ten days later. This was the sickest they have been in their life, apparently.

The next day, I found myself feeling like I needed to cough, my diaphragm squeezing little spasms of need, producing nothing to show for it. The same continued the next day, and the next day. Fourteen days later, I'm still feeling like I need to cough. I don't smoke or vape anything on a regular basis, so this is unusual.

Is any of this indicative of vaporizing MET fumarate as hazardous? Nope. Bronchitis follows a cold, and cold symptoms can persist for weeks after the infection is gone. Occam's razor would suggest that this is the more likely explanation. Still, the instantaneous sensitivity of my friend to the vapor both times and the dramatic turn of their health immediately afterward really stuck with me, and I'd be lying if I wasn't puzzled by my persistent cough. Alone, this still isn't significant, but before I ever with the other reports of adverse reactions to vaporizing MET on other forums, I thought I should make mention of it here just in case. For the life of me, I can't see why MET would be any worse than any other vaporizable tryptamine.

Needless to say, I won't be following through with my plans above to try it in a nebulizer - I'll stick to other tryptamines. It's a crying shame, too, because I quite liked vaporized MET and other ROAs haven't yet been worth the trouble or expense.
 
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