Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread
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jason7
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Precisely. Chew those big ol' cardboardy LSZ blotters up good. Looks like they used special heavy gauge blotter paper for those babies. It's some tough chewing.
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Definitely better this time round 
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I wonder why they used such heavy paper and large squares for this and also the AL-LAD blotters. Anyway, it was an okay trip at 300 mcg. I liked the fact that it didn't make me emotional and "peace and lovey" like acid does. It was very clear-headed. Probably 450 mcg would be a full trip. I was almost making out acid-lke CEVs. They just couldn't make it all the way through to clear resolution.
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Seems to be about the same, pretty much impossible to OD on. Some people reported vasoconstriction but that's about it. Should be safe up to 1 mg anyway. I've seen reports of 900 mcg doses with no problems. Personally I wouldn't go above 600 mcg since it's doubtful that more than that would improve the experience so why waste product?
LSZ seems to have the highest incidence of reports of body load. It also seems like the response to the drug is very varied, individually.
You probably don't want to jump in at a high dose. Start with 150mcg and take it from there.
As for AL-LAD, it seems to have a more LSD-like side effects profile, in that it's exceptionally well tolerated. A high-dose may be taxing, psychologically, but you should be fine body load-wise.
Jabberwocky
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frankly lsz is a waste of money and time, al-lad is far superior. lsz is really subtle for me anyway. it's not body loading - it's just it lacks in just about everything frankly.
zombywoof
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combine the two of them that works really good for me at 150ug lsz and 75ug of al-lad it was one of the best trips i have had much better than when i used them on their own
What's the highest lsz dose you've taken? You find that al-lad is more interesting at identical doses?
perpetualdawn
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Can you describe what this combo was like?
zombywoof
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one just seemed to fill in the blanks with the other giving me a deeper rounded trip. i made a short trip report on my last experience in the trip reports section
www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/pdf/lysergamide.emetics.pdf
9,10 dihydrolysergamides [ e.g , LSZ , etc ] are known to have emetic activity [ or as tested in canines anyway in the above reference ] .
Unfortunately there is no human experimental data reports [ that I can locate ] , however , I suspect that the above referenced report may help explain the " body load " and nausea of LSZ , etc .
9,10 dihydrolysergamides [ e.g , LSZ , etc ] are known to have emetic activity [ or as tested in canines anyway in the above reference ] .
Unfortunately there is no human experimental data reports [ that I can locate ] , however , I suspect that the above referenced report may help explain the " body load " and nausea of LSZ , etc .
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I dosed 300ug of LSZ yesterday. It was fun and relaxing, with no negative bodyload, but it also wasn't as intense as I was hoping. It seems to me that LSZ can only really take you so far. It was enjoyable, but not earth shattering like 2 or more decent hits of LSD would be.
I'm finding LSZ to be perfect for a mellow trip, one where I'm still capable of operating my dvd player and carrying on a conversation with my tripping buddy. It's probably the perfect level of tripping for most people, but I'll definitely be keeping some actual LSD around for when I really want to go all out.
For other times though, LSZ is quite nice. At 300ug I had a wonderful body high, enhanced colors, very light patterning with my eyes open, and excellent music enhancement.
I'm finding LSZ to be perfect for a mellow trip, one where I'm still capable of operating my dvd player and carrying on a conversation with my tripping buddy. It's probably the perfect level of tripping for most people, but I'll definitely be keeping some actual LSD around for when I really want to go all out.
For other times though, LSZ is quite nice. At 300ug I had a wonderful body high, enhanced colors, very light patterning with my eyes open, and excellent music enhancement.
At 300ug I was extremely sick for several hours....
curious how different folk are affected differently .
Have you found AL-LAD to have a similar ceiling?
peanut 801
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I would love to give LSZ a whirl. Just to see what it's all about... probably much more enjoyable than what people here in UT try to pass off as LSD. Its a fuckin joke anymore, people think nbome's and DOX are LSD around here. I haven't consumed a quality tab of LSD since last October, that's how bad it is here, lol. So, LSZ don't sound half bad IMO.
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It certainly is. I've shared LSZ with a fairly large (and well informed) test group. 4 of us have had no negative side effects, 1 experienced mild physical discomfort, and 2 experienced fairly severe side effects.
I've actually not tried AL-LAD yet, though I will soon. From what I've read the general consensus seems to be that it does have some sort of ceiling where any more is a waste, but I'll be very curious to see for myself. I generally like to push dosage up to whatever is the upper limit of physical comfort for me, so we'll see what that is.
I highly recommend LSZ. How well it's tolerated seems to vary from person to person, but assuming it agrees with you physically I'd say that it's a great alternative if you have trouble reliably procuring LSD.