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Lysergamides The Big & Dandy LSZ Thread

I hav experienced lsz many times and it's easy to get like candy at convenient store have learned it does not come with the energy tht lsd does not that it doesn't have speedy affect it's just mental not affecting body it's actually relaxing on body make u wanna sit down somewhat of body load on the come up golden during peak very very visual in swims experience 8hr duration doesn't go deep spiritual wise but gives you ability to choose very recreational but heard bad experience from others and wonderful ones everyone's got a different chemistry IMO next best thing to lsd swim mite actually prefer it but both are awesome have yet to dabble in al-lAD

Ps. Anyone ever had blotters dipped in mint oil ? Not a metallic taste tho Mint
 
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To me LSZ is like a very light acid trip with more stomach discomfort. It's not bad aside from the stomach discomfort, if you just want a light stimulation with some minor visual effects. 3 hits didn't do much more for me than 2, but did cause more stomach discomfort so I would recommend sticking with 2. Even with 3 the stomach discomfort wasn't severe but enough to be unpleasant. 2 seems to be the sweet spot for LSZ in my experience. It also helps to reduce stomach discomfort if you chew it and keep it in your mouth for 20 minutes before swallowing so most of it absorbs through your mouth and doesn't reach your stomach. I got pretty bad nausea when I just swallowed it right away.
 
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jason7 said:
To me LSZ is like a very light acid trip with more stomach discomfort. It's not bad aside from the stomach discomfort, if you just want a light stimulation with some minor visual effects. 3 hits didn't do much more for me than 2, but did cause more stomach discomfort so I would recommend sticking with 2. Even with 3 the stomach discomfort wasn't severe but enough to be unpleasant. 1 doesn't really do much at all. 2 seems to be the sweet spot for LSZ in my experience. It also helps to reduce stomach discomfort if you chew it and keep it in your mouth for 20 minutes before swallowing so most of it absorbs through your mouth and doesn't reach your stomach. I got pretty bad nausea when I just swallowed it right away.
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I've noticed nausea on the come up myself but it's Not every time I've had a lot of trials with it n I wish I knew the dosage but I'm able to take 1 n it's still very visual n all in all good trip but that was after month break 2 is best by far and as far as I will go with noticeable affects 30min in everytime
 
I've found (and my group of "test subjects" seem to agree) that two blotters (300ug) seems to be the sweet spot dose with LSZ. I don't feel that pushing it any higher will add much other than bodyload.

300ug is quite comfortable for me, but somehow I just had the feeling that anymore would result in some degree of nausea. My friend who took 3 1/2 (525ug) stated that the effects of that dose were quite similar to 2, except for the addition of horrid nausea.

I look forward to doing this quite a bit more, though I'm not sure when. Right now I'm a little preoccupied with AL-LAD, as I just recently acquired it and have only tried it once.
 
Has anybody plugged it? I'm guessing you could get around 50 percent potency increase that way, maybe better (reportedly LSD too goes through significant first-pass metabolism). Put a couple milliliters of water in a shot glass with the blotter dumped in it, either wait awhile for the compound to diffuse or stick it in the microwave to force it to, then suck it up in a needleless syringe, stick that up your butt, and eat the soggy paper. Voila! instant increase to your return on investment. (theoretically)
 
psood0nym said:
Has anybody plugged it? I'm guessing you could get around 50 percent potency increase that way, maybe better (reportedly LSD too goes through significant first-pass metabolism). Put a couple milliliters of water in a shot glass with the blotter dumped in it, either wait awhile for the compound to diffuse or stick it in the microwave to force it to, then suck it up in a needleless syringe, stick that up your butt, and eat the soggy paper. Voila! instant increase to your return on investment. (theoretically)
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I was under the impression that LSD and its close relatives have excellent oral bioavailability, rendering plugging or insufflation pretty pointless.
 
theacidtest said:
I was under the impression that LSD and its close relatives have excellent oral bioavailability, rendering plugging or insufflation pretty pointless.
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Yeah, that's the thing: the assumption of great bioavailability. But what is the actual empirical data? I'm recalling this old post on the topic by fastandbulbous:
Rectal administration has an advantage (dose wise) if the drug is metabolized in the liver as it escapes 1st pass metabolism. As LSD is metabolized in the liver, it's almost certain that plugging would require a lesser dose than the oral route; by how much though, you can continue arguing about!
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Others in that same thread tried LSD rectally and claim higher potency, as well.

I think the mythology of LSD getting dumped on a chemist's hands leading to tripping (transdermal administration of LSD has not been shown to be effective to my knowledge) has seeded the notion that Lucy and company can get fully into the body by nearly any means of ingress. But I'm not sure it's true. It may just be like most other compounds where up the butt administration is more potent.

The fact that LSD is usually put on media that's not conducive to alternative ROAs (one does not look at a square of paper or a sugar cube and think "I'd like to snort that or stick it up my ass") may also have bolstered the assumption that it's 100 percent bioavailable orally.
 
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An interesting point. I may have to try it sometime just to see. I have some excellent liquid L that would be well suited to such an experiment.
 
I was curious so I searched out an academic mention of LSD's oral bioavailability.
Comparing the findings of Papac and Foltz with findings from a study using LSD injection (Aghajanian and Bing1964) indicates that LSD is well absorbed with a bioavailability that may be around 70%.
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http://www.maps.org/research/lsd/swisslsd/IB_LSD.pdf
If this is true (and they do state it "may be around") I find it strange that common wisdom suggests that there's no sense in taking LSD by non-oral administration, since nearly 1/3 appears to get lost (perhaps there's other more conclusive studies that have found different?). In any case, LSZ and AL-LAD may have different properties that could make other ROAs more worthwhile than with LSD.
 
Snorting crushed up LSD microdots always worked well for me. Came on a lot faster and no stomach upset. Though once I actually did chuck after snorting 4 hits of purple mikes. It was just due to the sudden onset I think. It only ever happened that one time. Maybe it was something I ate, who knows. Snorting is definitely my preferred ROA for acid though. Problem is, you need microdots or "barrels", unless you have liquid that you could put a drop of up the honker.
 
Are the 'standard' LSZ blotters ( ie the ones with molecule printed on most people have access to ) as unpredictable dosewise as AL-LAD appears to be ?

Cheers
 
Al-lad has been quite predictable for me. It's so bizarre that people have such drastically different experiences with what I thought was blotter from the same ultimate source.
 
peanut 801 said:
I would love to give LSZ a whirl. Just to see what it's all about... probably much more enjoyable than what people here in UT try to pass off as LSD. Its a fuckin joke anymore, people think nbome's and DOX are LSD around here. I haven't consumed a quality tab of LSD since last October, that's how bad it is here, lol. So, LSZ don't sound half bad IMO.
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If your getting DOX or nbomes it worth a go (never found LSZ enjoyable) if it's actual LSD but just weak LSZ won't hold a candle to it.
 
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I still maintain that LSZ is an under-rated gem. I think tomorrow night I'm going to take 225ug. Nothing new really, I've taken it up to 300ug before. But I've been using AL-LAD and LSD lately, so I feel like it's time to hang out with "lizzie" again.

I'll be pretty bummed when my supply runs out. I think I have like 24 tabs left. I can see why AL-LAD has been more popular, but it's a shame that it has so completely overshadowed LSZ.
 
I have been alternating, and lsz is repeatedly more interesting psychologically
 
Yeah too bad LSZ got so overshadowed, it would be nice to see it stick around. I only tried it once, but really liked it. I hope it doesn't disappear, it might be now or never if you want to pick some up.

Pupnik: When you say you find lsz more interesting psychologically, are you talking about full tab (or more) trips, or 1/4 blotters or what? Or do you find this to be independant of dose level? And can you explain in what way you find it more interesting?
 
perpetualdawn,
1/4 does not work for me with al-lad nor with lsz, but 1/2 is repeatedly very interesting with either of them especially when tolerance is low, i.e. with 5 days or more between.

One tab of either is a fair bit stronger and 1&1/2 tabs is the most I have had and I don't think I even want more than that really.
 
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I still maintain that LSZ is an under-rated gem. I think tomorrow night I'm going to take 225ug. Nothing new really, I've taken it up to 300ug before. But I've been using AL-LAD and LSD lately, so I feel like it's time to hang out with "lizzie" again.

I'll be pretty bummed when my supply runs out. I think I have like 24 tabs left. I can see why AL-LAD has been more popular, but it's a shame that it has so completely overshadowed LSZ.
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Trouble is it's only an under-rated gem for some; read round the forums - over and over again people like different things and can't except the fact; AL_LAD completely overshadows LSZ for me 'cause it was fucking brilliant and Z wasn't and that was what a lot experienced but I accept you like it. I was hoping to but nope.
 
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Understandable. Different people have different reactions. Also, people use these chemicals for different reasons. I found AL-LAD a bit shallow (though fun, don't get me wrong- I like it quite a bit) but I find LSZ much more mentally and emotionally deep, an effect I generally seek in psychedelic drugs.
 
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