Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Eticyclidone / 2‘-Oxo-PCE Thread

[Peacephrog1972]

What is your reasoning for saying that?

 

[Peacephrog1972]

But to the contrary just because you "feel" like it didn't have an antibiotic effect in a month and 2 grams isn't any kind of scientific evidence that it isnt

 

[Listening]

^^^ Sorry, but your data point proves nothing. I have no idea whether or not it posesses antibiotic properties, but just because you didn't notice any ill effects, even with mega dosages, doesn't mean anything at all wrt to this valid concern.

> what antibiotic in the world can you take 33.3x the dose for 30 days and have no ill effects

Do you have some specific knowledge of this experiment or are you just imaginging? It's only very recently that the serious problems associated with needless (and even needed) antibiotic use have been accepted at all. The negative effects from antibiotic use can be very subtle and long-term indeed.

 

[StMorningGlory]

Ok, so it clearly has antibiotic effects because the people who made the patent said it does with zero proof and a clear reason for saying it has effects. What does it matter? If having antibiotic effects makes zero difference, then what does it matter if it does or doesn't other than random interest.

 

[Listening]

Ok, so it clearly has antibiotic effects because...

I specifically said in my post that I had no idea whether or not it actually has antibitiic properties.

What does it matter? If having antibiotic effects makes zero difference...

You said you didn't notice any negative effects after like, what, a few weeks? Lots of negative effects may not be noticed for decades. Long-term gut health problems have only become recognized after many years of going mostly unnoticed by the medical community.

Anyway, as I've said, I have no idea about the true danger, but I think it's ridiculous that people take these chemicals (any of them, even forgetting about this one in particular) and preach that they are safe. They are an unknown quantity. They may be benign and they may have long term consequences for your health. No one knows. Saying that you felt fine after taking some doses is irrelevant for the discussion of long-term consequences. We are all taking a real risk (myself included). Some of us are simply in denial.

 

[Synthetic_Night]

In the patent are just some positive effects on viral/protozoic infections mentioned. And i really doubt the antibiotic properties come through at that low doses. As i said in an earlier post, even the most potent antibiotic drug has to be taken at doses around 200-300mg more than once a day for many days. I don't see this substance is that big breakthrough in solving the problem of lacking of antibiotic therapy options today.

But another interesting occurence i notice by now: I feel somehow smarter, my writing and my speech got better and i also felt nootropic effects like those from noopept. I firstly thought it was just an illusion or some wrong interpreted connotation. Maybe it still is. Can't say more about that in the moment. I took it 3-4 times in the last 3 weeks (~10-15mg). But about the antibiotic rumour i have to say: O-PCE is either a game changing antibiotic or simply this attribute doesn't matter in the dosage of our needs. If anyone is planning to do this up to 150mg and more a day ( and i clearly do not recommend this!), we can take on with the discussion of antibiotic properties. Otherwise further proofs are needed, everything else is speculation about rumours and a lot of hot air

greetings

 

[crOOk]

n the patent are just some positive effects on viral/protozoic infections mentioned.

Antibiotics are targetted at bacteria, hence their pseudonym antibacterials. Just thought I'd mention that. I didn't read the patent and still think it's absolutely absurd to think this substance has any type of antibiotic properties at recreational doses. The entire pharma industry would be all over this, since existing antibiotics require much larger doses. Absurd. Can't believe this is getting so much attention here.

But another interesting occurence i notice by now: I feel somehow smarter, my writing and my speech got better and i also felt nootropic effects like those from noopept.

That's what most glutamatergic dissociatives do, once we comedown we have a high chance of becoming manic or at least more creative, gaining more enjoyment from our usual activities, be they cognitive or physical. I often have a focus on spiritual ideas in that state. However, trust me when I say this won't last lol. If you browse bluelight for threads on dissociatives you'll always find people convinced they just found the holy grail of therapeutical psychopharmaceuticals, but then eventually we see them end up roaming the streets naked fighting off dozens of heavily armed police officers.

It's a state I've managed to reproduce plenty of times in order to find relief from acute depressive states (bipolar I diagnosis), but if these drugs are taken daily life will quickly turn into a pile of shit. That's just my experience. On a sidenote, I find PCP a hundred times more effective than racemic ketamine (the s isomer not being worth shit in this respect - not to me anyway) when it comes to treating depression, but studies on mice seem to disagree on this one.

This was definitely one of my all-time favorite dissociatives btw, having vast experience with PCP, Ketamine, and whichever new ones the internet throws at us - via all ROAs, but mostly smoked/IM/IV.

 

[Synthetic_Night]

Antibiotics are targetted at bacteria, hence their pseudonym antibacterials. Just thought I'd mention that. I didn't read the patent and still think it's absolutely absurd to think this substance has any type of antibiotic properties at recreational doses. The entire pharma industry would be all over this, since existing antibiotics require much larger doses. Absurd. Can't believe this is getting so much attention here.

That's what i'm saying. It clearly is absurd. Not absurd is an antiviral component, but it isn't called antibiotic then, hence to the fact that science doesn't see a virus as living organism, it is more some kind of intelligent materia, an organic compound. Other antiviral substances like Zanamivir are used in doses around 10mg, so this is more an option. Since it is a small molecule with the ability to have a positive charge it can maybe for example block the M2-protein in the viral uncoating process. But nearly any other drug has this ability, too. We really need to stop thinking about it :D

For the nootropic state afterwards i do not really think this substance should be taken on a daily base. Many other dissociatives make people feel likely to forget things and make them feel stupid after long episodes of taking them. I also felt "thinking highs" on MXE, but that was always during the peak. And somehow MXE and MXM made me feel stupid afterwards. O-PCE makes me feel a little bit more productive and enthusiastic at least for one or two days. While MK-801 is used in science to protect cells with NMDA-channels from dying the glutamat-induced apoptosis and therefore is actually neuroprotective, i think O-PCE has similiar properties if it doesn't destroy cells on other mechanisms.

But i also recognize some irritation of the urinary tract, think this should also be mentionend, though.

 

[no_id]

this stuff is no joke I took a tiny amount 4 hours ago and less than 10m after I 100% forgotten about my subutex withdrawal 3mg a day for 2 hours was borderline hole and maniac at the same time.
Psychosis molecule.
Does it have some potential at higher dosages ? I sadly heard u quickly feel bad with dosage increasing

 

[yepyepwoah]

But i also recognize some irritation of the urinary tract, think this should also be mentionend, though.

This is what made me revaluate my use recently. 2nd time I tried this I got really uncomfortable bladder feelings. Super hard to piss first three hours. Like a pressure on my bladder, then a slight burning when I finally could piss.

A few days later I experienced the same to a lesser extent with 3 meo pcp. Never had that happen with 3 meo pcp. Had some mxe and ket a few days after that, and didnt really notice anything out of the norm.

Started to freak out thinking I have now fucked myself with dissos. Starting reading up on UT/bladder issues. Startedto remember I have had trouble pissing sometimes for over 15 years. Remember gong to doctors convinced I had a UTI or clamidhyia or something and all the test came back negative. Remember some nights being up for hours unable to piss knoeing I had to terribly.

Realized I have developed a few tricks over the years to where this usually doesnt bother me. Mostly it seems to have to due with relaxation and not forcing. Like leaning over the toilet braced against the wall, or just sitting down and runming hot water.

Feel like fucking Hank Hill with a narrow urethra. I remember one doctor saying "mild prostatis" whih basically means "your fucked". Gotta figure this out because this is bullshit.

 

[Synthetic_Night]

Hm, an urethra irritation is a few steps away from "you're fucked" , but it is the first step into the direction. I will now make a break for a month from now on. 3 Days after the mentioned irritation occured, it is becoming significantly better. Obviously this should prevent people from taking it every day. Like every drug some negative side effects should be there, but if taken seldom and have a healthy nutrition, much to drink and perform some sports from day to day even Eticyclidone can be a substance to live with. I have stopped drinking alcohol and stopped smoking cannabis, don't know if i traded those against a bigger evil or not, time will tell.
greetings

 

[StMorningGlory]

Someone had asked earlier about a combination with 3-meo-pcp. I in no way advocate this behavior.

Anyway... here is a quick report

So took 5mg 3-meo-pcp nasally, then 5mg 3-meo-pcp sublingually.

+1h I am feeling pretty happy. Got a ride to grab my Eticyclidone. Take a measured (+/-5) 12mg's sublingually. Ride takes me to a bar.

+2h [Heartrate of 89-93bpm | SpO2 97%]
The confusion starts and rambling about a trip to Puerto Rico and LSD vs ALD-52. Numbness engulfed my body. People comment on my grinning.

+2:30h Being shuffled around from bar to restaurant is pretty fun. I keep seeing flashing lights in coordination with the music of the live band.

+6h (about 3am) Get obsessed with eating, go to a burrito place and I remember feeling like that scene in "Requiem for a Dream" when they are getting food. I have the scene play out in my mind of the powder on the paper then the eye dilates. I fall asleep in the car on the way back and wake up in my bed.

Overall the combo is actually really enjoyable. I prefer it mixed with the ALD-52 over 3-meo-pcp.

 

[MSK]

Someone had asked earlier about a combination with 3-meo-pcp. I in no way advocate this behavior.

Anyway... here is a quick report

So took 5mg 3-meo-pcp nasally, then 5mg 3-meo-pcp sublingually.

+1h I am feeling pretty happy. Got a ride to grab my Eticyclidone. Take a measured (+/-5) 12mg's sublingually. Ride takes me to a bar.

+2h [Heartrate of 89-93bpm | SpO2 97%]
The confusion starts and rambling about a trip to Puerto Rico and LSD vs ALD-52. Numbness engulfed my body. People comment on my grinning.

+2:30h Being shuffled around from bar to restaurant is pretty fun. I keep seeing flashing lights in coordination with the music of the live band.

+6h (about 3am) Get obsessed with eating, go to a burrito place and I remember feeling like that scene in "Requiem for a Dream" when they are getting food. I have the scene play out in my mind of the powder on the paper then the eye dilates. I fall asleep in the car on the way back and wake up in my bed.

Overall the combo is actually really enjoyable. I prefer it mixed with the ALD-52 over 3-meo-pcp.

I myself enjoyed the combo also, but I went a bit crazier than you.

I took 10mg orally of 3-MeO-PCP, followed by 15mg of o-PCE three hours after. They sinergized pretty well, I had a 3-MeO-PCP manic experience until I took the o-PCE, what turned the trip into something more relaxed and psychedelic, nearly holing.

A few hours later I added 20mg of 4-AcO-DET, and I had one of my wilder tryptamine trips. A lot of shaking and tremors (nothing uncomfortable, though) and nice eye-candy.

I don't encourage anyone without experience with tryptamines and dissos to do this, though. Keep in mind I was a long time everyday ketamine & MXE user, and my tolerance is pretty high. A combo like this could easily scare the fuck out of a newbie.

 

[DubNaut]

i had not touched a disso in about 3 months.

went through a quarter bag in a night recently that i wanted to stretch for a month.

trademark disso behavioral and emotional response.. did not take me anywhere deep, was clean headed, usual dehydration and no sleep.
not quite magical but worth a lot more then the likes of ephinidine, mxm etc

 

[StMorningGlory]

I have to add that during my longterm trial that I used 4-aco-DMT frequently to add that "warm fuzzy" that I enjoy with introspective thoughts.

 

[psynce of sound]

Does anyone know if this substance has any active metabolites? I binged on half a gram of this a few days ago and I can still feel it now. I feel dissociated and dizzy as well as extremely lethargic. I can't stop sleeping.

Is there any way to encourage it to get out of my system sooner?

 

[MSK]

How can you binge on that stuff? 25 mg oral for me is so long (Like 6-8h of experience) and intense (mixed with cannabis and without a lot of tolerance, I for sure hole easily!) that I have got not desire to redose. This is a beast, and should be treated with more respect than MXE in my opinion!

 

[psynce of sound]

I have an insanely high tolerance to dissociative drugs. In all honesty I blacked out for most of the period I had stuff (poly drug use). It's a mistake I won't be making again. It's far from a pleasant experience.

 

[MSK]

I have an insanely high tolerance to dissociative drugs. In all honesty I blacked out for most of the period I had stuff (poly drug use). It's a mistake I won't be making again. It's far from a pleasant experience.

IME you'll feel the after effects for up to a week. Everytime I dose o-PCE or 3-MeO-PCP I can feel them on my system usually the whole week. I feel you about the high tolerance, though. I myself was a daily MXE and ketamine user, I can snort half a gram of K and don't feel a shit. But with 3-MeO-PCP and o-PCE I need to at least spare doses between 2-3 days, or I'll just feel like shit for weeks, and would have wasted a lot of precious arylcyclohexylamines on the road (And o-PCE is not as cheap as MXE for even considering binging on it!).

Again, with the intensity and duration of those compounds I can only see redosing output as a nightmare. If tolerance is the problem, just go up with your dose, but redose with those ones isn't really wise!

 

[spacejunk]

...i'm not surprised you are still feeling off.
That's a ridiculously large dose, judging by other people's reports.