Xorkoth
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Ravr said:
There's only one sort of DOC.
Anyway, it's impossible to say what you had but the trouble breathing thing does not sound like any reaction I've ever heard of from DOC.
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There's only one sort of DOC.
Anyway, it's impossible to say what you had but the trouble breathing thing does not sound like any reaction I've ever heard of from DOC.
egor
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Anti-addictive effects from DOC
After my high dose DOC trip the other night, I went from smoking a pack+ a day of camel menthol wides. During the trip, I had no urge to smoke, and cigarettes still just taste and feel disgustion. I now smoke 4-5 a day, just enough to keep the headaches at bay. The friend who I tripped with made major progress twards getting off of the opiates he loved/hated until that night. The 3rd person we were with (he only took 5mg) was also a heavy smoker until the trip started and has not had a single cigarette since. He crushed his pack and said fuck tobacco. It seems there be a major tool for ridding yourself of negative habbits with DOC. DOC seems a lot more managable and benign than ibogaine.
Has anyone else experienced this after trying DOC???
After my high dose DOC trip the other night, I went from smoking a pack+ a day of camel menthol wides. During the trip, I had no urge to smoke, and cigarettes still just taste and feel disgustion. I now smoke 4-5 a day, just enough to keep the headaches at bay. The friend who I tripped with made major progress twards getting off of the opiates he loved/hated until that night. The 3rd person we were with (he only took 5mg) was also a heavy smoker until the trip started and has not had a single cigarette since. He crushed his pack and said fuck tobacco. It seems there be a major tool for ridding yourself of negative habbits with DOC. DOC seems a lot more managable and benign than ibogaine.
Has anyone else experienced this after trying DOC???
Don Luigi
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I think this is the case with many psychedelics. It helps to show us the folly of our habits. But for me it only lasts the length of the trip and the rest of the day. On 2CB I was instructed to throw away my cigarettes and lighter so I complied. I ain't saying no to the non physical.
i didnt smoke at all friday night when i tripped LSD (it was my first time) and i usually smoke about a pack a day.. and the day after i only had about 2 or 3 cigarettes.. but the day after the day after i was back to my old ways lol
helium-4
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My experience with psychedelics and smoking is, well quite the opposite. I quite enjoy smoking on them. I don't usually smoke normally and I find that they are just fun, relaxing things to do while tripping.
Xorkoth
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I stopped smoking before I ever got into psychedelics much, so I can't say specifically. My worst habit over the past few years has been kratom, and I can't say that it helped me with that, because, well, kratom doesn't feel disgusting like cigarettes do, and it mixes really well with DOC. However, DOC does produce a state of inner tranquility in me, particularly after the peak, which helps me to be totally satisfied with just myself and the little things in life, which lasts for a good 24 hours at least. So I can definitely see how it could help with quitting cigarettes.
So how long has it been? I hope you'll be able to use this temporary reprieve to do some work to prevent yourself from picking it back up.
The way I quit was that one day I just realized how crappy cigarettes made me feel, and how much I hated the feeling of them. So I stopped, and every time I had a craving I just reminded myself how shitty they are. And then once my tolerance dropped, I started getting nicotine buzzes again if I smoked, and to me, the nicotine buzz is one of the nastiest, most foul feelings in the world. So it was pretty easy to quit. I never had any withdrawal symptoms at all. Just cravings from time to time to be doing the action of smoking.
So how long has it been? I hope you'll be able to use this temporary reprieve to do some work to prevent yourself from picking it back up.
The way I quit was that one day I just realized how crappy cigarettes made me feel, and how much I hated the feeling of them. So I stopped, and every time I had a craving I just reminded myself how shitty they are. And then once my tolerance dropped, I started getting nicotine buzzes again if I smoked, and to me, the nicotine buzz is one of the nastiest, most foul feelings in the world. So it was pretty easy to quit. I never had any withdrawal symptoms at all. Just cravings from time to time to be doing the action of smoking.
Xorkoth
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Merged egor's thread into the B&D DOC thread.
egor
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Xorkoth said:I stopped smoking before I ever got into psychedelics much, so I can't say specifically. My worst habit over the past few years has been kratom, and I can't say that it helped me with that, because, well, kratom doesn't feel disgusting like cigarettes do, and it mixes really well with DOC. However, DOC does produce a state of inner tranquility in me, particularly after the peak, which helps me to be totally satisfied with just myself and the little things in life, which lasts for a good 24 hours at least. So I can definitely see how it could help with quitting cigarettes.
So how long has it been? I hope you'll be able to use this temporary reprieve to do some work to prevent yourself from picking it back up.
I have not quit entirely yet, but I only smoke 4-5 cigarettes a day as opposed to a pack+ a day before the trip. I hope to give them up entirely after my next DOC trip; and I think this one will be solo and outdoors to gain the full effects.
Thanks for the kind words
i plan to dabble w/ this substance as soon as i get a mg scale, but my homie has an unknown amount of tiny crystals that he's going to be dosing without knowing his dosage, stupid i know. i remember what 4mg looked like, and what he has seems to look like around 4mg. anybody have an idea of what 1mg or 2mg or even 4mg of DOC would amount to? i know this is pretty hard to answer...
Morninggloryseed
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Just asking makes you stupid.
Jabberwocky
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As you know, this is impossible for us to tell.unsui said:
Our job is to attempt to discourage behavior like this as it is very reckless.
Take note that DOC can powerful constrict your veins, so it may be dangerous to overdose on.
Be very careful with this stuff! its best just to wait.
cognosis
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Any reason to believe that DOC would show up on a drug test? I have a friend that I really want to turn on to this, but he's military personnel and all concerned that it'd show up when he returns from leave.
trancedeviate
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Well, it could show up as an amphetamine, since it is amphetamine based.
cognosis
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^well, do all amphetamines stay in your system for the same amount of time?
Xorkoth
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There's no way to reliably eyeball any amount of DOC. The difference between a few milligrams isn't noticeably unless you're looking at two different piles, and even then it's hard to be sure with an amount that small. You can't remember what 4mg looks like reliably, trust me. 4mg looks different with every powder and even between different piles of the same powder, because of the way the crystals fall. Your friend is treading on dangerous ground
cognosis
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Tingling all over after tripping DOC
@#$Hey guys/girls/in-betweens so here's the deal: back in February I turned 21 and did a lot of partying with Ketamine. I was doing about a gram a week for like a month and a half interspersed with DOC trips.
// After the first time I tripped DOC at 3mg, I started getting tingling sensations all over my body, like when your foot falls asleep. It's a very superficial numbness and only occurs on the surface of my skin, there's no muscle soreness or pain or anything. It seems more pronounced when I come into contact with cold things as well. I don't notice the tingling except when I touch something, like a persons arm, or laying down in bed, or picking up a cup. I originally thought that it was because I was doing what I thought was a lot of Ketamine and that I had a B12 deficiency(comparatively though it doesn't seem like a gram a week is a lot compared to some more hardcore K-heads out there). To remedy what I thought was too much Ketamine intake I took a lot of B complex supplements and drank a bunch of B12 enriched smoothies. When it first started, the tingling was so bad I actually went to a doctor where they bunch they did all sorts of shit like testing my reflexes and blood work --all ofwhich all came back normal.
The tingling faded and was pretty much gone by a week and a half later and I did some more K where the tingling remained at bay. I waited a few more weeks and then tried DOC again this past weekend and the tingling returned so I'm going to go out on a limb and say the DOC is causing this.
WTF!!?! I love DOC, it's such a beautiful psychedelic and I really don't like that it's giving me this adverse physical reaction for weeks at a time afterwards. I've worked with this compound several times with doses ranging from 1-4MGs. A few of my friends have also sampled this batch of DOC at doses higher than me and reported no adverse side effects whatsoever.
Could this be some sort of weird allergy? Does anyone else have similar experiences? What is going on?!?
EDIT: I also have experience working with DOB and haven't experienced anything like this with that compound either.
@#$Hey guys/girls/in-betweens so here's the deal: back in February I turned 21 and did a lot of partying with Ketamine. I was doing about a gram a week for like a month and a half interspersed with DOC trips.
// After the first time I tripped DOC at 3mg, I started getting tingling sensations all over my body, like when your foot falls asleep. It's a very superficial numbness and only occurs on the surface of my skin, there's no muscle soreness or pain or anything. It seems more pronounced when I come into contact with cold things as well. I don't notice the tingling except when I touch something, like a persons arm, or laying down in bed, or picking up a cup. I originally thought that it was because I was doing what I thought was a lot of Ketamine and that I had a B12 deficiency(comparatively though it doesn't seem like a gram a week is a lot compared to some more hardcore K-heads out there). To remedy what I thought was too much Ketamine intake I took a lot of B complex supplements and drank a bunch of B12 enriched smoothies. When it first started, the tingling was so bad I actually went to a doctor where they bunch they did all sorts of shit like testing my reflexes and blood work --all ofwhich all came back normal.
The tingling faded and was pretty much gone by a week and a half later and I did some more K where the tingling remained at bay. I waited a few more weeks and then tried DOC again this past weekend and the tingling returned so I'm going to go out on a limb and say the DOC is causing this.
WTF!!?! I love DOC, it's such a beautiful psychedelic and I really don't like that it's giving me this adverse physical reaction for weeks at a time afterwards. I've worked with this compound several times with doses ranging from 1-4MGs. A few of my friends have also sampled this batch of DOC at doses higher than me and reported no adverse side effects whatsoever.
Could this be some sort of weird allergy? Does anyone else have similar experiences? What is going on?!?
EDIT: I also have experience working with DOB and haven't experienced anything like this with that compound either.
the_ketaman
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Correct me if im wrong, but DOC is a psychedelic amphetamine and amphetamines constrict your blood vessels, so this tingling is probably due to lack of bloodflow to your extremeties. But the fact that it is lasting so long boggles me so maybe someone more experienced can help out.
cognosis
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yeah DOC is a psychedelic amphetamine and can cause vasoconstriction and muscle tension but I don't understand why this effect is lasting so long. Esp since with the DOC trip I'm usually down and out by 14 hours. I also do contortion and originally thought that perhaps I was stressing my body too much while I was tripping but I didn't do anything like that this past time.
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