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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but you say you were binging on K while on DOC?

You know that Ketamine (at least, the racemic and R-isomers) have tingling as a main effect? It is an anaesthetic, as you know.

But I may have misunderstood you.
 
yes but I never did the two at the same time and was doing K after I stopped doing DOC for a while and didn't tingle. I don't know which K isomer I had either, is there a way to tell?
 
DOC is a vasconstrictor... actually quite a potent one sometimes. Tingling is just one of the side effects of this. Whenever I take DOC, I get tingling in the fingers and toes (well sometimes), and I also get very visibly constricted veins, so much so that I will feel the large veins (arteries?) in my legs and arms pulling as I try to fully extend them. It feels pretty freaky.
 
well my friend actually ended up dosing the uknown dosage i gave him. let's just say they tripped balls for 10-14hrs.

i'm very intrigued in this chem, but will wait it out for a mg scale. dammit, why is money always the issue?!!!!
 
I took 2mg of this on Sunday, Mother's Day, kind of spur-of-the-moment... I was feeling a call to have some fun, which is pretty much why I took a long break from psychedelics. For some reason I was expecting it to be like it was when I was doing a lot of psychedelics, that is, not powerfully psychedelic but rather a fantastically long, amphetamine-like euphoria producer.

It came on euphorically, and then around hour 3 it slammed into me and made me start feeling quite self-conscious... I felt strange hanging out with my fiance and cats. I didn't have a lot to say. The DOC visuals came into being in my vision very lightly, with patterns subtly swirling, especially clouds. I felt a bit dizzy whenever I tried to look directly at anything, a curious effect that DOC can have on me. I had some kratom to try to make myself feel a bit less strange, and it only succeeded in amplifying the dizzy feeling strongly. From hours 3 to 6 I was quite uncomfortable overall, but it was manageable. I berated myself for taking a powerful psychedelic spur-of-the-moment, and figured I'd be in for a very long period of discomfort. I felt guilty for ruining mother's day, as I had to call my mom still, and I was planning to make dinner to celebrate it with my fiance who is a mother to our kitties.

Then around hour 6, maybe 7, the fog lifted, slowly at first. I started feeling very euphoric indeed, energized, full of insight and emotion. Everything on the TV became something to joyfully analyze. I transferred this energy to my fiance and we spent the rest of the day and night having the time of our lives, talking and talking and talking and snuggling and discussing issues. I achieved the absolutely wonderful euphoria that DOC used to produce in me, a magical feeling of zen-like peace and comfort in living in the moment. This fveeling stayed with me through Monday as well, and partway through Tuesday. It has yet to fully dissipate. Overall I feel that it did me some good... I had been stuck in a bit of a negative place with all the stresses in my life recently and it felt fantastic to just step out of that for a day or two and feel free, and dissect the stresses I have been encountering in my mind without anxiety getting in the way.

And none of that horrible vasoconstriction!

Now I need to make sure not to start using it weekly as a remedy for dealing with life, like I used to.

But I <3 DOC. :)
 
I heard on the radio one time that N2O is a vasodilator. Could nitrous be taken in conjunction with DOxs to effectively counterbalance the tingling sensation?
 
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I was feeling a call to have some fun, which is pretty much why I took a long break from psychedelics. For some reason I was expecting it to be like it was when I was doing a lot of psychedelics, that is, not powerfully psychedelic but rather a fantastically long, amphetamine-like euphoria producer.
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Damn those breaks, always sneaking up on you. I have done that where you take it thinking it might be just an enhancer on whatever you are doing but then you find you are saying to yourself "Fuck, I am tripping!"
I want to try this substance pretty bad. Hopefully I will have a lil extra cash soon.
 
Don't buy a whole bunch at once, or you'll have wasted your money if you find you don't like it. Personally, I hate it. The trip makes me feel like I'm going totally schizophrenic, and then on the comedown I feel like I'm coming down from a day-long cocaine binge. Horrible stuff. That said, the friends I gave the rest away to loved it, so clearly, your mileage may vary. :)
 
Wow, I didn't realise DOC was a vasocontrictor. That is something that's new to me.

I will have the opportunity to try some later this week, should I be concerned about this? How does DOC feel in terms of stimulation when compared to phens? Does it create strong CEVs in the second half of the trip?
 
^ i also didn't know - when i think of vasoconstricting DOx compounds, i think of DOB. good to know...
 
I think all of the psychedelic amphetamines are vasoconstricting due to their potency and non-selective binding to all of the 5-HT2 receptor subtypes: 5-HT2A, 5-HT2B and 5-HT2C. The 5-HT2B receptor is found in mainly in the peripheral nervous system and certain 5-HT2B receptor agonists cause nasty cardiac effects, so I wouldn't use the 2,5-dimethoxy-amphetamines frequently. Come to think of it, I don't know a psychedelic that is not a vasoconstrictor--at least to a certain degree. The ergoloids certainly are, psilocin and the 4-OH-tryptamines are, the psychedelic amphetamines are. Perhaps 2C-x compounds are the least vasoactive, but it is tough to consider them proper psychedelics (although I've never had 2C-E and people claim that one is a mindfuck).

To anyone considering taking a 2,5-dimethoxy-amphetamine, keep in mind that they are intense, really fucking intense and are not be toyed with indiscriminately. You must be absolutely certain of the dose and have a lot of time on your hands. The trip is long and very fatiguing. They are not like LSD, where one can trip and wake up the next day feeling like a million bucks, since the trip is so long, you will be tired for a day or two afterwards.
 
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The trip is long and very fatiguing. They are not like LSD, where one can trip and wake up the next day feeling like a million bucks, since the trip is so long, you will be tired for a day or two afterwards.
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Yeah, I find the idea of having a "psychedelic weekend" very interesting, but needless to say I have taken note of your warnings - thanks for that. It'll be challenging and new, but I'm sure I've been through worse before. Oh god....much worse. Psychedelics are not toys!!

Riemann - you should try 2C-E. ASAP.
:)
 
DOC is a vasoconstrictor, but if I only use it occasionally in reasonable doses, I don't notice it much. When I was using it a lot, it started giving me troubling amounts of vasoconstriction, but at 2-4mg, it's not really noticeable.
 
Important question

a recent batch of DOC was shown to be of low quality, how low has not been quantified. this raises a question about stability of DOx in storage, although they are assumed to be very stable this could be incorrect, or it could be a result of sloppy synthesis, in which case all people working with this material need to inquire as to what the inactive material is composed of and if its safe. perhaps someone with more chem knowledge could give some insight into what possible contaminates would be.


information regarding the dosage of this batch has not come out but i hope BLers will post their findings, with a DOx chem dosage is already tricky WITHOUT an unknown amount of degradation. i encourage anyone working with this material to start low and work with it as if it is their first time. remember with such a potent chem even a 25% potency lose will only change an 'average' dose from 2.5mg to 3.25mg.
 
^id try to find a find a way to get it tested.
There have been occasions of other chemicals being sent out accidently.

if i rerember correctly the first batch of 2c-tfm or was it DOC? regaradless, one of those just ended up being 2c-i.

heh, pretty fucked up.
get it tested if you can.
 
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^id try to find a find a way to get it tested.
There have been occasions of other chemicals being sent out accidently.

if i rerember correctly the first batch of 2c-tfm or was it DOC? regaradless, one of those just ended up being 2c-i.

heh, pretty fucked up.
get it tested if you can.
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that was sold as DOC, iirc.
 
The PiHKAL entry says that DON and DOA are intermediates in the synthesis, in which case the products could be subjectively different in effect, perhaps more stimulating in the case of DON. I dont know enough about chem to understand what the difference btw monochlorinated, dichlorinated and trichlorinated product would be (are any of these active/dangerous?) but if someone could clear this up it would be great. some material could def be submitted for analysis if delsyd or others would assit with the means to do such.;)

also it was the batch of 2c-tfm which contained a large quantity of 2c-i or at least thats what hugo at ADD said...
 
i remember reading that the "doc" was all 2c-i, but that the "2c-tfm" was 2c-tfm + random 2c-x's including 2c-i.

but why nit-pick :D
 
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