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The Big & Dandy DOC Thread (Part 1)

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Just less room for error, all I said was to be careful. Mistakes happen, fuck knows I've made them! And if a mistake happens with a highly concentrated solution it is more likely to be a big one.
 
I made a less accurate sounding mix, as I mentioned some pages back, of 10mg dliluted into 200 drops of vodka. I made a VERY weak solution because I wished to allergy test at an extremely low dose of 50ug. I was gratified however to find the thread below, which suggests my dilution method is actually quite accurate, comparatively.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=567652
 
How much liquid exactly is in a drop? Do all drops contain the same the same amount of liquid? "Drop" is not a unit of measurement!
 
PhyllipThylamine said:
I made a less accurate sounding mix, as I mentioned some pages back, of 10mg dliluted into 200 drops of vodka. I made a VERY weak solution because I wished to allergy test at an extremely low dose of 50ug. I was gratified however to find the thread below, which suggests my dilution method is actually quite accurate, comparatively.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=567652
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How much liquid exactly is in a drop? Do all drops contain the same the same amount of liquid? "Drop" is not a unit of measurement!
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this is very true. Also, this "drop" method seems very tedious when one can get an oral syringe at the pharmacy for $1-$2.... seriously. Why make it more difficult & less accurate?
 
Tried 2.4mg of this recently. You should have no plans when you take this, its half life is quite long., still some effects 16 hours in. I found very good visuals while maintaining a relaxed sense of state, and a detatchment which is quite unreal. You really experience the works with this substance %)
 
I really wanna try DOC but i need to find some and get a new scale haha
 
Question:


Ive had 110mg DOC stashed away for quite some time now, and im wondering if its possible that it degraded much. When I received it, it had been kept in foil, away from sunlight, and in a room-temp environment for about a year give or take a few months. Since ive had it, its been away from all light, in foil, in an airtight bag, in a place with no sunlight, however it has been in a room-temp environment.

My DOM has definitelly degraded being in similar conditions (only difference is the DOM has been exposed to light, and every now and then exposed to air), but im wondering if my DOC has. If so i'll probably just get some of the new batch that's going around, however im wondering if this is really necessary.

I sadly wont have time to try it for a few more weeks, but I dont want to miss my chance with this new batch of DOC as it seems to come around every once in a blue moon, and this batch is actually a good one.

If kept in the afformentioned conditions, do I have much to worry about?
 
Just dosed 3mg last night, this stuff is just as fantastic as I remember. totally positive, visuals at t+20 hours (though i slept at t + 12 for 8 hours - woke up to a bit of a surprise haha), music sounded great (went to a solo ted leo show last night.. awesome!), really experienced the whole works. I definitely felt the need to push this up to about 5mg, I felt I only scratched the surface of the potential again with DOC though.
 
any major dude said:
this is very true. Also, this "drop" method seems very tedious when one can get an oral syringe at the pharmacy for $1-$2.... seriously. Why make it more difficult & less accurate?
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... coz it's working perfectly?

Second test, 1.5mg (up from 1.25mg a few weeks back. More of the same, longer duration & more intense vsiuals. LOTS of energy. 18 hours from start to finish. Truly awsome stuff!

Doses measured perfectly with minimum tedium & effects were as expected. 1.6mg next time!
 
Dosed 7mg and had an incredible trip. I'm still amazed at how true the "light bodyload" claim is - except this is actually a pretty big understatement - NO bodyload to speak of at all except for occasionally getting the shits bad (this seems to be random too). At this dose, my cognition was improved 10-fold.. still very lucid though.. had incredible conversations for hours. The visual and auditory distortion were great... not as fantastic as say moxy, but still up there. The CEVs were much more "LSD like" than LSD actually looks to me - VERY fractally... in a way reminded me of psilocin but less organic and more abstract. Grizzly Bear sounded amazing. Very positive, probably my favorite part... I enjoy the cynical aspect that 2c-e gives me, but at the same time sometimes I just want to feel fantastic and profound simultaneously. I really think this might be one of my very favorite psychedelics, if simply because of the positivity and minimal bodyload. Highly recommended...

and, just get an oral syringe. I know that the drop method seems to be working right now, but the qualitative differences might not be as pronounced at the 1-2mg range even with error... if you ever push it higher (which I suggest; it is very forgiving and the visual/auditory aspect really significantly increases at high, but sub-10mg ranges), the error might be quite noticeable. Using an oral syringe (or even an insulin syringe, as I do, squirting it into the bottom cap of the syringe and downing it) really allows almost precise accuracy and it is literally no extra effort aside from just going to the pharmacy and buying one/some for cheap
 
^ Be warned that tolerance shoots up quick. Dosing weekly left me needing about twice as much in about 3 weeks time. Keep that in mind if you decide to take 7 mg or more after not having taken any psychs in a while. It will be stronger than you expect.

As far as bodyload goes, sometimes I get extremely nauseous before it quicks in. I have thrown up on it before. Also I tend to cough pretty hard on it. Same thing happens to me on mescaline too. It's weird. My muscles will get pretty tense by the end of the trip too, but usually from contorting my body and sitting in weird positions.

I really like DOC but the comedown can drag on a bit too long. Sometimes I just waste it away watching TV till early in the morning. That never feels too good. That is one of my only gripes with DOC. Maybe I just need to start earlier in the day.

I have combined DOC at around a 5 mg dose with low dose methoxetamine. Made the DOC feel very warm and fuzzy but I redosed with the MXE and it left me feeling a bit manic later on. I would reccomend waiting till the end of the trip to dose the MXE.

DOC combined with weed gave me thought loops, a phenomena that tends to happen with just weed for me. I didn't like it and won't be doing it again.
 
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and, just get an oral syringe. I know that the drop method seems to be working right now, but the qualitative differences might not be as pronounced at the 1-2mg range even with error... if you ever push it higher (which I suggest; it is very forgiving and the visual/auditory aspect really significantly increases at high, but sub-10mg ranges), the error might be quite noticeable. Using an oral syringe (or even an insulin syringe, as I do, squirting it into the bottom cap of the syringe and downing it) really allows almost precise accuracy and it is literally no extra effort aside from just going to the pharmacy and buying one/some for cheap
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i always get my oral syringes for free. just walk up to the pharmacy counter (not dressed like a raver kid) and ask if they have "any of the little oral syringes for dosing children's medication." last time i went i got one that is accurate to .2ml and one that is accurate to .02ml.
 
bbx4 said:
^ Be warned that tolerance shoots up quick. Dosing weekly left me needing about twice as much in about 3 weeks time. Keep that in mind if you decide to take 7 mg or more after not having taken any psychs in a while. It will be stronger than you expect.

As far as bodyload goes, sometimes I get extremely nauseous before it quicks in. I have thrown up on it before. Also I tend to cough pretty hard on it. Same thing happens to me on mescaline too. It's weird. My muscles will get pretty tense by the end of the trip too, but usually from contorting my body and sitting in weird positions.

I really like DOC but the comedown can drag on a bit too long. Sometimes I just waste it away watching TV till early in the morning. That never feels too good. That is one of my only gripes with DOC. Maybe I just need to start earlier in the day.

I have combined DOC at around a 5 mg dose with low dose methoxetamine. Made the DOC feel very warm and fuzzy but I redosed with the MXE and it left me feeling a bit manic later on. I would reccomend waiting till the end of the trip to dose the MXE.

DOC combined with weed gave me thought loops, a phenomena that tends to happen with just weed for me. I didn't like it and won't be doing it again.
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Will agree with both bodyload issues... I get slightly nauseous about 10 min after I take it, and I think this is largely psychosomatic. Nothing near close to vomiting though. Muscle tension was slightly annoying.. but I found it easy to sleep by t + 10 hrs before muscle tension ever kicked in.

and yes, the "7mg" figure was adjusted for tolerance - I took about 14mg to account for tolerance.
 
PhyllipThylamine said:
... coz it's working perfectly?

Second test, 1.5mg (up from 1.25mg a few weeks back. More of the same, longer duration & more intense vsiuals. LOTS of energy. 18 hours from start to finish. Truly awsome stuff!

Doses measured perfectly with minimum tedium & effects were as expected. 1.6mg next time!
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How could you know its working perfectly? There is no way to know, and a "drop" is never a standardized unit. The dynamics of the fluid will change when it contains a solute so even if you were able to get the same size drops initially, once the DOC is in the solution the drop size/weight will change, further rendering this method inaccurate.

IamMe90 said:
and, just get an oral syringe. I know that the drop method seems to be working right now, but the qualitative differences might not be as pronounced at the 1-2mg range even with error... if you ever push it higher (which I suggest; it is very forgiving and the visual/auditory aspect really significantly increases at high, but sub-10mg ranges), the error might be quite noticeable. Using an oral syringe (or even an insulin syringe, as I do, squirting it into the bottom cap of the syringe and downing it) really allows almost precise accuracy and it is literally no extra effort aside from just going to the pharmacy and buying one/some for cheap
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qft
 
How do YOU know it ISN'T working perfectly!

Look, I'm not a bloody idiot. I know what I'm doing. I've got a way of measuring miniscule doses of this compound & I am working my way up the dosage ranger & am noticing differences as I increase my intake.

If you read the drops versus measured ml dosing study I linked & will link to again, you'll see that my method MAY be only slightly less accurate at worst. But may equally be entirely accurate. I only got 10mg of this, mixed it immiediately with my vodka & have dosed effectively twice from it. I won't get another chance to try this stuff unless my man gets more in so I'm going on with what I've got.

I stand firmly behind my method, as far as I can tell, & once again, I am NOT an idiot, it's working just fine.

Every drop may indeed be differently sized but it all evens out when you're using 20 drops. I've a steady hand & I watch the drops. Provided one knows how many drops one has in ones container, & how much material is desolved in the drops, viola! This is no more or less accurate than your average scale, which has a +/- percentage to some degree anyway.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=567652

If I DO get more, I may consider using a ml - mg ratio just to satisfy you, & for comparative purposes.
 
I've seen and heard of people use volumetric measurement for various substances and never heard of anyone using this "drop method" until I saw this thread. Using it defeats the whole purpose of volumetric measurement and as this is a harm reduction forum should be actively discouraged here. You may know to some degree what subjective effects to effects to expect from so many drops but you have no real idea what dosage you took.
This is no more or less accurate than your average scale, which has a +/- percentage to some degree anyway.
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Done properly (dissolving a known amount of material with a known volume of liquid), volumetric measurement can be way more accurate than most scales people use.
 
If anything then, my doses are likely to be UNDER, not over, because adding material to the vodka bulks it out a teeny bit.

& dissolving a know amount of liquid (be it drops or mls) & a known amount of compound is exactly what I'm doing. The only difference is that I am working on a drop-per-50ug basis rather than a ml-per-50ug basis.

You can actively discourage as much as you like mate, I'm old enough to know what I'm doing & I can't "undilute" this stuff now anyway, can I? & if I could, I wouldnt, because it'll screw up the rest of my testing. IF I get more & IF I decide to change my method, I'll let you know if there are any quantitive changes in the dose per dose effects. I doubt there will be.
 
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