Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

[Voltech]

woulden't 2C-B-fly be better then Bromo DF

Recently, Dr.Shulgin said that Ann's favorite phenetylamine is the 2CB-F* (not DOB-DF)

I think, R.C. Labs should synthetize this on.

Regards!

**Edited** i mean 2CB-Fly not 2CB-DF

 

[crOOk]

But it does seem like newer data is increasingly indicating oral activity in the 500-1000mic range. The rumors about it taking 5-6 hours to kick in, or that peak lasts for 40 hours, seem to be bunk tho.

500-1000uc indeed, I guess the newer data you are referring to is the other 500uc report you have mentioned.
Anyway, I was definitely NOT able to go to sleep at T+12:00, I'd say I just left the plateau at that point.
It took me 5 hours to peak as it did for some other people. I felt the first effects after about 90 minutes when I woke up.

crOOk

 

[justlearning]

^^ Crook
DId you like the effects you got, or was it so so?
thanks

 

[Ghettotastic_bong]

While it was in the old thread, just to re-state what i said in the previous thread:

There is indeed a batch of bromo dragonfly blotters floating around (and supply is increasing with time). I've taken one of them, it was orally active, quite visually intense and amphetamine like, with a peak comming at 6-8 hours after ingestion, and with a duration of around 26 hours.

I would have written a trip report, however, i took a large dose of a benzo halfway through the trip, which i feel negates the ability to write a proper trip report.

If anyone wants my opinion on the drug, the duration is simply too long for comfort, and i was unable to sleep until 28 hours after ingestion. It's very powerful visually however, and not especially difficult from a psychological standpoint.

 

[don Pedro]

There is indeed a batch of bromo dragonfly blotters floating around (and supply is increasing with time).

There is indeed a batch of rumors of bromo dragonfly blotters floating around (and supply is increasing with time). So far the rumors seem to be based on nothing more than "I heard on the internet about this new powerful drug people are selling as acid, and I just had a weird trip, so it had to be bromo-dragonfly!"

It makes no sense, why would somebody sell an expensive and hypeful drug as a cheap and common one? If anything people are selling acid as bromo-dragonfly.

Until there's solid evidence like a chemical analysis or at the very least somebody who's tried known bromo-dragonfly from a chemicals seller who tries one of these "bromo-dragonfly blotters" and confirming it is the same thing, I am going to keep my tent pitched in the septic camp. I have had acid trips where I couldn't sleep for over 24 hours, I've had acid take over an hour to kick in, and I know those were acid because I took trips on the same strip of paper at other times and had more usual effects. Acid is a remarkably variable drug.

 

[marklar_the_23rd]

750 ug of dob-dfly was taken on an empty stomach. 4 hours later i feel a bit weird. no visuals, no laughter. 8 hours later i havnt had one hallucination nor do i feel 'trippy'. it was hard to get to sleep but i managed eventually.

 

[crOOk]

750 ug of dob-dfly was taken on an empty stomach. 4 hours later i feel a bit weird. no visuals, no laughter. 8 hours later i havnt had one hallucination nor do i feel 'trippy'. it was hard to get to sleep but i managed eventually.

WTF, now this is kind of a set back.
How about tolerance, man? Any psychedelics within the week prior to the Bromo-Dragonfly trial?

^^ Crook
DId you like the effects you got, or was it so so?
thanks

I sure did like the effects, but then again, there hasn't been any psychedelic I did not like (besides 5-MeO-DMT, but I think I might become friends with that one as well within the next couple of years).
Actually, on a (psychedelics!) scale between one and ten, it would rate somewhere near one... Maybe 3.
-I didn't like the effect it had on my back pain
-I didn't like the chemical/acidic feeling in my gastrointestinal tract
-It just takes too long, 10 hours is definitely enough for me
-It wasn't very deep, but that might change at a higher dose

In order to be able to rate this drug I would definitely have to take more, maybe 1mg. At low doses like these most psychedelics feel much more alike to me than at higher doses.

One more thing about the back pain... My back (and other joint) problems are getting worse and worse these days. Although a psychedelic has never induced such a sensitivity to my pain before, it might not be related to the substance... I's possible that I might have experienced the same severity of pain increase with any psychedelic. I know for sure that I'm never gonna enter a trip without opiates at hand though from this day on.
Something else I "noticed" is that my pain has never been worse than within the past two weeks. I have always succeeded in not taking pain meds to treat it, but if I had some now... Maybe this is related to the effects of the psychedelic, I don't know. I'll be observing how this developes.

crOOk

 

[CatfishRivers]

Not to send this thread into a tangent, but I also started to develop back/shoulder/spinal area related pain, that in retrospect, also seemed to increase as my use of psychedelics increased. I wonder if going through all the bodyloads from each substance taught my body to hold certain bad postures or tensing postures...not sure, but I found it interesting that you also have had a similar experience...

(sorry for the OT)

 

[marklar_the_23rd]

WTF, now this is kind of a set back.
How about tolerance, man? Any psychedelics within the week prior to the Bromo-Dragonfly trial?

nope, didnt have anything for 2-3 weeks before hand.

 

[fastandbulbous]

I would say that the problem with oral doses of DOBDF is down to one of two things 1) It is either metabolized by gut enzymes or undergoes extensive 1st pass metabolism OR 2) it is subject to irregular absorbtion from the gut.

Either could account for the large variation of effects of oral doses. One test to distinguish between the two would be to try something like rectal absorbtion. If it's mainly 1st pass metabolism, rectal admin (of an identical dose) should produce the same effects in people with sizeably different responses to an oral dose. If it's an absorbtion problem, the differences in oral effects should be mirrored by rectal admin (as the membrane is essentially the same).

 

[specialspack]

^ What about sublingual dosing? Would a few drops under the tongue be effective..? How long would they need to be held there?

Some of the variety of responses via oral admin might be due to the length of time the chemical being held in the mouth...

 

[justlearning]

@>Crook
Thank you crook! You are a pioneer indeed, i respect that.

@>Catfish
I believe that certain body pains; from my experiences with psychedelics, are do to certain posters we tend to lay in while tripping. I lot of time i really don't feel or pay any attention to my body while tripping especially when the visuals and euphoria is intense.

@>This tread
For what it is worth; DOBDF really don't sound all that interesting! Hopefully 2C-B-fly will be making it's rounds and Dom-fly too. Those two JUST mite prove to be full of those bells and whistles floating around in the elusive psychedelic soup bowl, we are all looking for.
cheers

 

[bluedolphin]

^^
Plenty of phenethylamines and amphetamines make mine (and many of my friends) backs feel tired, sore, or tight. I am not surprised that bromo-dragonfly seems to have this property for people who are sensitive to back problems.

 

[Ghettotastic_bong]

This thread seems to have died, but in the intrest of harm reduction, i thought it was worth bumping.


I recently came across a max headroom blotter, which is suspected to contain bromo dragonfly. Given that no information is out about the dosage of a blotter, i'd reccomend that people abstain from taking it until more information could be discovered, but anyone who comes across this blotter print should know it is certaintly not LSD.

 

[concept]

Dude the max headroom tabs are DOB, there is another forum on here that someone actually tested one of the blotters and found that it wasnt acid but DOB. This is more likely the kind of stuff people are getting instead of Bomo DragonFly when they say its not acid and phene like.

 

[crOOk]

^^
Plenty of phenethylamines and amphetamines make mine (and many of my friends) backs feel tired, sore, or tight. I am not surprised that bromo-dragonfly seems to have this property for people who are sensitive to back problems.

Yeah, I ahve experienced it with other phens as well, but never as bad as this time which might just be related to the current condition of my back.

crOOk

 

[marklar_the_23rd]

5mg of bromo-dragonfly was disolved in 5ml of water. 1.3 ml was taken at 3:45pm. i got no visuals at all. i was laughing at funniest home videos, so something was happening. my mood was happy, but not trippy. sometimes i got headaches, esp when i'd smoke a cone of pot.

At about midnight i was agitated because i couldnt sleep and nothing was on tv. i eventually fell asleep at about 4:30am, and woke up at 7:30, headache gone, but body feeling beaten.

the experience wasreally fucking dull, almost painful at times. the last 3.7mls was put in to the fridge only to be spilled by some freak accident. i managed to save a ml (i think) as the spill was isolated. there goes my birthday present

 

[Jamshyd]

I feel that the world wouldn't loose anything if these compounds vanish again and can't be found anywhere but in Nichols' lab.

Sadly, I agree. I also truly hope this does not turn into a pandora's box. I think we could expect some bad fly-related news soon I sure do hope that people who intend to play with this compound have very accurate scales (and I am sure very few actually do...).

Ranting aside, I do not know if the following has been mentioned before or not, but it certainly isn't in this thread.

F&B and anyone else who has a good grasp on SARs: Has there ever been any testing for this compound's Cholinergic affinities? I say this because the effects remind me an awful lot of Scopolamine and friends. And I mean not only the long-lasting delirium, but also the blood pressure...etc.. If there are no such formal studies, do you think that it might have some anticholinergic properties?

If not, then perhaps it could help shed more light on how anticholinergics do what they do...

 

[marklar_the_23rd]

^ the only bad d-fly news i think you'll get is people like me who totally wasted thier money. i have read no first hand reports of anything happening with this chemical. Only 3 people have reported any effect off it on this board, and none of them are that interesting. no one reported delerium or even any visuals. IMHO its a dud, a big waste of time and money.

 

[Jamshyd]

I was refering to the info Re: Delerium in the beginning of the thread such as those quoted below. I was also refering to the 'fly compounds in general, not picking on one of them - however,none so far seemed to show any positives to outweigh the negatives IMO. I haven't been following what appears to be an aweful (and largely deleted) history that this thread has, so I'm sorry if I misinterpreted something...

As for bad news, although thankfully no bad news has been reported yet, I seriously don't think it'll be long before someone does something with these compounds akin to snorting a large dose of 2C-T-7 on top of Ecstasy, be it intentionally or not. One poster for example, mentioned that they spilled their sample in the fridge. Though the poster may have been careful (not to pick on anyone), such a potent and apparently toxic compound has no business spilling in non-specialist John-Smith's fridge. Again, not intending to pick on anyone - and I am certainly in no position to judge who should have access to what - but I personally don't have any interest in these compounds.

1mg D-FLY non bromo: Dosage to small for safety
duration 18hrs to baseline after effects 24hrs Too long.
babysitter required, reality gone(Delusional/Dreamscape) not fit for general population, lab research only. :-|

Racemic DOB-dfly: orally active from about 0.8 mg, similar at this dose in effect and duration to low dose DOB. Took up to 8 mg which causes long-lasting (4 days) effects, very intense, depersonalization, delirium, nausea, headache, strong body stimulation, sleep deprivation.

(R)-DOB-dfly, the more potent isomer: orally active from about 0.4 mg, similar in effect and duration to low dose DOB. Took up to 16 mg which causes long-lasting (5 days) effects, very intense, similar to above, but more body toxcity, this is clearly a toxic level.

(R)-DOB-fly, the more potent isomers of the non-aromatic compound: orally active from about 0.8 mg, similar in effect and duration to low dose DOB. Took up to 16 mg which caused effects similar to 8 mg of DOB-dfly.

EDIT: Sorry makelar - I guess that poster was you