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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Bromo-Dragonfly/DOB-Dragonfly Thread

either shoot up 100 mikes (vein or muscle, your choice.. shoot up 20mikes FIRST just to check for allergic reactions, so wait 2 days for reactions then go on with the 100mcg) or eat 1mg.
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The whole point is that you don't test for a hypersensitivity/allergic reaction with an injected dose as that has the potential to kill you due to the very rapid onset of symptoms. The oral route is slow enough that any allergic reaction is slow and generally milder in onset and can be dealt with using antihistamines/steriods (for the mild reaction) or adrenaline in the rare case of a severe reaction from the oral route.

In my case, oral penicillins have the capacity to make me really ill with huge rashes over my body, puking and laboured breathing. An injection of penicillin would have me dead in a couple of minutes (even a tiny dose injected).

It's not a waste if it's something that could potentially save your life
 
i dunno how it is with the fly/dfly series, but my personal experience with 2c- compounds is that tolerance does not occur. perhaps the furan 'wings' will change that, but then again perhaps not.
 
Sorry tathra, but every substance (which includes both phenetylamines and tryptamines) that is an agonist of the 5-HT2A receptor produces a cross tolerance, it's called receptor internalization.
 
but every substance (which includes both phenetylamines and tryptamines) that is an agonist of the 5-HT2A receptor produces a cross tolerance
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While I agree that the phenethylamines produce a tolerance just as surely as a tryptamine or an ergoline, DMT doesn't produce a cross tolerance with other 5HT2a agonists (I think it's the only one - though I'm not sure about 5-methoxy DMT)
 
There are some strange aspects to 5-HT2A agonist tolerance. It develops increadibly fast, much faster than tolerance to most other drugs. Taking a constant dose daily leads to total tolerance to this dose within a few days. So I've read in credible sources. Yet, by taking a very high dose of one of the ultra-long lasting PEAs one can be tripping for several days. If tolerance was developing while on the trip, the effects should be fading faster, because the elimination of the drug and the receptor desensitation/internalization should work synergistically towards an accelerated decay.
 
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Originally posted by eCsTaSy NoN sToP
for one, I personally trust shulgin when he says 1mg = oral threshold.. that's why I don't understand the 300 million trials with sub-miligram doses.
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eCsTaSy NoN sToP, my man, I can assure (!) you, Shulgin was either not quoted right or he has lost his mind. I know for sure that it is active at 400ug and probably less than that! 650ug had me tripping pretty good today. I don't think it lasts as long as people claim it to last though.
I have had to "abort" the trip with 200mg of Kratom alkaloids because of severe back pain... :(
Worst back pain I have ever had in my whole life actually. I also had severe pain in other jonts (I have a chronic medical condition, the drug didn't make these symptoms pop up out of nowhere, but it definitely has a strong influence on them!) and my digestive and urinary tract felt like shit as well. Totally tripped out, like someone poured nitrohydrochloric acid through my body. ;) We're talking about a low dose here. I don't think I have ever experienced these symptoms to such an extent at such a low dose with any other psychedelic. Body load does seem to be very strong with this one. I mentioned before that there was some nausea present as well. Very little though.

Btw, the trip was fun, peak is reached at about 5 hours after ingestion, effects get weaker at the twelve hour mark I'd say. It might just be me getting used to the effects though, it felt like it got less intense, but then again, I've never had such a long trip before... It's T+15:30 now and I think would still feel pretty tripped out if I wouldn't have ingested the Kratom.
1mg should hit the spot for me! Pretty sure about that, probably comparable to about 17mg of 2C-B, unless the dose response curve is much steeper like fastandbulbous expected it to be. I am not giving out recommendations here because I might have built up a tolerance (!!!), but I will most likely go for 1mg on the voov experience next week.

If I still feel lingering effects tomorrow, I will make sure to inform you guys about it, unless Blowmonkey would rather have me not doing it.

crOOk
 
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"severe back pain...
Worst back pain I have ever had in my whole life actually. I also had severe pain in other jonts .. and my digestive and urinary tract felt like shit as well..."

Sounds a bit like DOB overdose territory.
 
alright, maybe shulgin is a little whacked out... i do agree on the point about people lying about how long it lasts!! "yeah man, i was trippin' balls for 3 weeks straight"
well, if anything, perhaps you should keep some good pain killers around.. personally, i'd say some salvia extract would do you good. on the whole tripping on both fronts deal, yeah, i know, but salvia is very opiate like on the body. if not, some hard-hitting indica (like a g13 or sensi star) will definitely take care of the pain and if not, there's always morphine :D

p.s. someone was a bit worried about the structure before, because of the furan rings... just out of curiosity, what do you think of salvinorin-A with its furan group sticking out to the side?
 
i forgot that aspect of dob. it makes pain worse, to the point you have to feel greatful that you have a pair of legs and dont have cancer or live in a 3rd world country.
 
I can assure (!) you, Shulgin was either not quoted right or he has lost his mind.
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Have you considered the possibility that people respond differently. With DPT for example, some people claim they get good effects with as little as 50 or 100mg oral. I don't get effects with as much as 300mg DPT orally. Whenever you have a drug that is that is mostly removed by first pass metabalism, you can get a wide variation in oral dosage in different people. Why? Well, as a simple example, if in one person first pass metabolism removes 95% of the drug, and in another person removes 85% of the drug, then the latter person is going to 3 times as much drug entering into general circulation.
 
bromo dragonfly the 2nd (please no arguing)

I felt this forum should be rencarnated and since no one else seems to have I decided to do it. Please no one argue, understand and except that others are going to do what they want to do. No amount of arguing will change this just common sense and that is for them to decide. If you cant calmly and openly discuss something then just take a breather until you can. But thank you to all that contributed in the last forum until it was shut down. Anyway that being said, to the topic at hand. Since the last posting who has tried taking this substance or found anything out else about it.
 
Just to say that at the 1st sign of this turning into the last bromo-dragonfly thread. one of the mods will shut it down just as quickly.

The small amount of info from the previous thread seems to be as follows:

DOB-dragonfly (aka bromodragonfly)

Oral dose: somewhere between 500-1000ug (0.5-1mg)
IM dose: 100ug

Duration of active dose: still unknown

Reason for poor oral availability: unknown

Interaction with other drugs: unknown
 
190ug IV (racemic br-dragonfly) - color shifting, sparkles, very mild visually. No mental or tactile effects, no euphoria. Didn't seem to last more than 30 minutes.
 
Have any suppliers of DOBDF (this is the name I choose to use now :) )provided NMR or GC/MS analysis for this material? In light of poorly manufactured 2C-TFM coming to market before the impure quality was discovered, I'd be very suspect of any reports until the authenticity of this material can be verified.
 
By golly, good chap, you've pegged me! 8)

For the 0,5-1,0mg dose range, is there really any solid data for that? I've seen Shulgin's article that mentions 1mg oral having no activity. I've seen a 2nd hand report I was told came from a vendor saying that it was psychedelic at 2mg. I've seen cr00k's report but considering the staggered repeated doses mixed with DPT, N2O and other things, I can't quite say I think it's entirely useful information. I've seen several reports from various places where people have taken several hundred microgram with little or no psychedelic activity. The IM dose of 0,1mg is a second hand report from Shulgin based on one single trip. A poster here reported an IV dose with what sounded like a minimum of trip. Methinks its too premature to call the dose numbers as more than possible ranges for now. We need more information, and people ought be aware that doses could turn out to be much lower or higher.
 
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FastandFabulous' dose range is right on (500mg-1000mg). Talk to a few people who've actually tried this drug before you start questioning what information one of the brightest mods on this site decides to make public.

It is also known to take 3-5 hours before any effects are felt, and last 18 to 40 hours after that. Apparently duration is very much dependent on dose.

One side effect that concerns me is that a few people have mentioned their hearts feeling very strained by this compound.

I could give a bit more second hand info about this compound but I'll give posters here who've actually tried it a chance.
 
I got the information from a friend (who wishes to remain anonymous) who has synthed the DOB dragonfly (in future I think I'll adopt MGS's shortened version) so there's no doubt about the identity of the compound. He ran a lot of personal assays of the material (as well as the DOB fly compound) and he gave the active oral dose of the racaemate as ~800ug (the (R) isomer being active at about the 400ug mark, orally). He's also done a limited toxicity test and took up to 4000ug (4mg) of the raceamic compound orally. He described that as being rather unpleasant - 96hrs of almost total loss of contact with concensus reality and after effects lasting up to 120 hrs. Other than through things like sleep deprivation, he said that there were no long lasting toxic effects, in both the physiological and psychological sense (the compound showed much less of the muscle tension/cramping effect than DOB on a dose for dose comparison)

I've known him for quite a while (from days of the Hive) and he's a totally trustworthy & methodical person when it comes to self trials of new psychoactives (I've corresponded with him over quite a few theoretical SAR extensions, some of which he's synthed and tasted).

As he didn't want to be identified with the info source, I've not posted any of the info he's sent me, but it has reached the point where it's time to put forward his findings as nobody else seems to follow any strict self testing protocol (he's OK with the info being presented, as long as his anonimity is retained, which I understand perfectly and am not about to breach for anybody).

PS blue dolphin, it's fastandbulbous, not fastandfabulous. The fact that a few people think that's my name makes me think that I must somehow come across as a bit narcissistic - honestly, fastandbulbous is a much more accurate descriptive name!
 
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Well this shows that it *is* possible to make it at least. In the early days I had the premonition that it was going to be prohibitively difficult to manufacture. I guess it still would be if it gets driven underground but as a RC the synthesis looks feasible.
 
The only bromo-dragonfly blotters are plain white blotters from Sweden. Even if this drug is active at 0,5mg (and many reports I've read say it takes more like 2mg) it sells for 35 euro per 1mg so how daft would a dealer need to be to sell doses of it as the much cheaper LSD?

Almost every report I have read has been "my pal knows a guy..."

cr00k is the only first-hand report I have seen where somebody got effects off under 1mg, and he was taking other drugs (DPT &c). Almost every other first-hand report was inactive, except for the 2mg report where somebody tripped quite hard.

Being a moderator is fine and dandy, but it is too soon to say the dose and effects for certain. We need more first hand reports.
 
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