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The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

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Ximot - I have been using methylone for about 3 years now.

Initially, i went through a phase with dimishing results in effects. The 2nd time wasn't as good as the 1st, the 3rd time not as good as the 2nd, and so on... Then i took a break for maybe 6 months and the effects returned quite a bit.

My use varies: I have taken m1 as much as several times in a month, 3 or 4 days in a row, and also gone phases where i haven't used it for a few months... One thing remains constant though - I never redose in the same day! I learned quickly that redosing on methylone does pretty much nothing (at least for me...)

Another thing i'd like to mention is that i get zero 'hangover' or negative effects after taking methylone... Like i said above, i usually have a great afterglow effect the following day. I've read reports from some that say they feel burnt out or even depressed the following day. (maybe cause of heavy redosing?)
 
Here's my report from first experience with Methylone

I recently aquired both 1g of Methylone (Bk-MDMA) and 1g Butylone (Bk-MBDB). I intend on trying combinations of the two but decided to test them separately first. Tonight I am experimenting with 175mg oral Methylone. Set and setting and good. Relaxing in my bed listening to music, chatting on line, and typing this as I go. I'm trying to quit smoking and haven't had any nicotine since 12pm this morning. This may slightly influence the trip but oh well. I'm mediate that with marijuana as needed.



7:15pm

t=0:00
175mg Bk-MDMA (Mehtylone) was parachuted(wrapped in one layer of toilet paper) and swallowed.

t +15min
7:30pm
Could be imagining, but believe to be feeling first alerts. Notice what feels like a slight increse in bp and heart rate as well as slight stimulation.

t +25min
7:40pm
Definatelty kicking in now. Feel slight warmth all over and slight hints of euphoria beginning to show. So far very MDMA-like.
+35min
7:50pm
Just spent last 10 mins talking to my roomate about her relationship problems. I felt some of the empathogenic qualites associated so much with MDMA but was slightly distracted by the comeup to offer any real insight into her situation.

t +50min
8:05pm
Euphoria is building as is general warm glowing feeling. I am experiencing clenching of my jaws so I'm about to smoke a bowl to maybe take the edge off a little.

t +60min
8:15pm
Not as stimulating as I was expecting form the comeup, which is fine withe me as feeling really good. I don't think that it has peaked at all yet as each wave is greater in intensity, but still rather mild.

t +1hr 10min
8:25pm
Definately not as pushy as MDMA but am having a great time. I just finished typing the intro. I'm listening to Live Phish shows as I'm about to see them for the first time in a week and a half. I'm very excited to see them and am REALLY enjoying listening to them now and am now eveb more excited about the show than I was before.

t +1hr 25min
8:40pm
Just did 2 bulbs of nitrous and while and I describe it too well now, I'll work on that but it was pretty amazing. I did experience waves of feeling and sound wash over me during the nitrious wiich amplified what was already there. Settled into a nice, hate to say it, but sedated euphoria. Enjoying the music a lot.

t +1hr 30min
8:45pm
Debating on adding the 50mg booster that I've read some people use. Should've decided this before.

t +1he 35min
8:50pm
Just added 50mg parachuted booster. That is the only one I'll be using. Writing is coming very naturally but I think that verbal communicatrion with a sober personwould be a little difficult right now on pace wih a low-medium dose of MDMA or 20+mgs of adderall.

t +1hr 50mins
9:05pm
Just did another hit of nitrous. a definate +++, Setted back into calm euphoria afterwards. May be more stimulative in a different situation but I am enjoying the peaceful euphoria now, Very slight muscle twitching in hands while typing now. Nothing too bad at all. Overall body effects are less than 2c-i, which I find pretty mild in itself. Took 3 mins to type that. The thoughts are flowing really well but I have the lights off so I keep making typing mistakes and am trying to catch as many as possible.

t +2 hours
9:15pm.
Just got finished posting first part of report on Hipforums. I currently have a permagrin and am still digging Phish though I did change to another live show where they perform the whole Beatles White Album. Very nice!

t +2 hours 10min
9:25pm
Did another hit of nitrous. I have just recently acquired a whip cream canister and have been experimenting with nitrous and psychedelics. Past experience with nitrous is at dentist's office and an occasional ballloon after a show when I was mostly down from whatever I had taken. I LOVE it with other chems but have learned that on its own, it's not worth the price. I'll save ir for times like these.

t +2 hours 20min
9:35pm
Just breathing in deeply and exhaling feels amazing. It is not overly stimulating at all even though I still have some jaw clenching, but am enjoying myself immensely.

t +2 hours 30min
9:45pm
I decided to switch up the music to the band I was listening to when I first began my nitrous and psychedelics trials, The Brian Jonestown Massacre. There is something about their music and nitrous+psychs that just does something. I reccomend listening to this album while tripping, using nitrous, or especially both.

http://music.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=music.artistalbums&artistid=9513528&albumid=10700706

t +2 hours 40 mins
9:55pm
I am still experiencing MDMA-like waves of pleasure. I did not feel the booster kick in specifically, but I'm sure it's been adding to the effects/lengthening the peak.

t +2 hours 45 mins
10:00pm.
Friend just texted me to remind me of the Breaking Bad Season Finale. Awesome show. My entries will probably be less frequent now. First time turning on the tv. I have a feeling the show may be even more dramatic now.

t +3 hours 30min
10:45pm
Coming down now some. Really into Breaking Bad episode and the character interactions.

t +3 hours 55min
11:10pm
Coming down and adding marijuana to ease the comedown(if any) Really enjoyed the episode.


From today (the day after):
I would compare it to MDMA, but would not say that it is exactly like it. It wasn't as strong as MDMA but the negative effects were much less as well. I didn't experience a crash last night and I woke up this morning refreshed and actually got to work about 15mins earlier than normal. I realize now that the jaw clenching i was experiencing last night was actually mostly due to nicotine withdrawal.

Can't wait to try with Butylone in a 2:1 combination.
 
i've tried methylone (in a dose above 10mg) 2 days ago, and i want to give a short description what i think of it.

i took a capsule of 200mg and it kicked in quite fast. i was peaking in about 35 minutes. i very much liked the reduced chewing, sweating and clear head compared to mdma, but methylone (at this dose?) lacks the magic of mdma. at peak i felt very very very amazing but not OMG SOOOO AMAAAAZING! like with mdma. empathy was present just as much as on a comparable dose of mdma. it was much less steady than mdma. with mdma i peak and stay like that for a few hours and then come down with methylone i'd suddenly feel very much sober for a few seconds only to have it kick in with full force in the next moment.

what i don't get is that people speak of a short duration of methylone. i was back from very very very amazing to very amazing 2 hours after dosing, to feeling quite good 5 hours after dosing. the high got more intense and much more like mdma every time i went to the floor and started dancing in these 5 hours. it slowly but steadily goes from being almost mdma-like to being a stimulant with mdma-like feelings in the stomach. i was getting the first feelings of "coming down from a stimulant" 5 hours afer taking the cap, but couldn't sleep for another 2-3 hours. i never felt the urge to redose during the whole experience.

what's strange is that my pulse was at most 150 while dancing wildly at the peak but 180+ when going uphill slowly when i started to come down. it still is at 90 now, almost 2 days later, but that isn't too much higher a pulse than i normally have. the comedown/aftereffects weren't unpleasant if i could relax and very close (maybe slightly worse than) to mdma (i don't get depressed after mdma) complete with absolutely having to go to the toilet every hour when trying to sleep :\
i was pretty much without energy the next day, but i think that's attributable to sleeping only 3-4 hours and dancing all night.

all in all a pleasant experience and much less messier night out than with mdma. i still prefer the latter as i haven't lost the magic yet and can sleep fine afterwards. will repeat with methylone, but probably at a lower dose (150mg?)
 
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I believe this nigh impossible for most brains.
Redosing with MDMA or 4-fa's limited empathogenesis/entactogenesis (but lengthy duration) suggest that most brains can maintain but 5-6 hours of 5ht efflux sufficient to sustain that empathogenic/entactogenic feel.

ebola

I agree, but with a pretty severe comedown. IME
 
not a synthesis question

but a purity question.

can anyone either relate to me, or point me to a site that contains,
the melting point of racemic methylone?

best,

Reggy Star
 
but a purity question.

can anyone either relate to me, or point me to a site that contains,
the melting point of racemic methylone?

best,

Reggy Star

Does PIHKAL have melting points?

Here's my trip report of Methylone with Butylone tonight. Great experience!

I am trying a combo of Methylone and Buylone in a 2:1 ratio tonight. I took the main dose one hour ago and a booster 5 mins ago. I am typing a similar trip reports as before. Would you rather I post it as I go or wait until I'm finished? So far, I am very impressed.

Coming down so I thought I would wrap up the report and just add a retrospective tomorrow.

t +0
6:55pm
Just ingested 180mg Bk-MDMA (Methylone) and 90mg Bk-MBDB orally by paracuting in a thin piece of toilet paper. I have a 50mg of Methylone and 25mg of Butylone booster weighed out for sometime between the 30min to 1 hour mark.
t +15mins
7:10pm
First alerts are noticed. My pulse feels slightly increased (sorry but didn't get a base pulse and too busy typing other things to check) and slight stimulation/euphoria beginning to creep in.
t +25mins
7:20pm.
I can tell already that this is going to be much more impressive than my first trials with each of these chems separately. I am surfing hip forums and just got finished replying to a topic and went way more in depth than I normally would have. Waves of stimulation and euphoria are getting fairly strong now. I am already finding it hard not to smile continuously.
t +40mins
7:35pm
WOW! This is already more intense than the peak of either one of them separately. I am definately feeling the empathogenic quality as I am by myself, but am really getting into replying to topics on hipfourms and am going more out of my than usual to help people and give info. Tyoing is flowing very naturally, just like both of them separately, but I am feeling a little more "fucked up" and therefore sometimes have to stop in the middle of a sentence and read what I just wrote to make sure that it makes sense. The B1 and M1 separately were very gentle and clear headed.
t +1hour
7:55pm
Even just breathing deeply in and out feels incredible. This combo definately compares to MDMA, but still may lack that special little spark that MDMA has. This, in my opinion, is the "specialness" that people lose when they abuse MDMA. Since I don't have a consistent hookup for MDMA and purity is always questionable, I think this combo may treat me just right. I just got up for the first time sense taking it and found walking to my garage to check on my laundry slightly awkward but also MUCH more enjoyable than normal.
t +1hr 5mins
8:00pm
I just took the booster. I am noticing the same slight jaw clenching as both chems separately, but it isn't that bad and doesn't take away from the experience at all. I have similar side effects from most stimulants.
t +1hr 30mins
8:25pm
The last 30 mins have been very enjoyable and very MDMA-like. I am even having a little bit of the eye flutter, or whatever you want to call it effect, that I get from MDMA.
t +1hr 45mins
8:40pm
I just finished masterbating and it felt GREAT! Also, it was as tough to get hard or to cum as it is for me on some other chems, especially stimulants.
t +2hrs 5mins
9:00pm
I am still feeling absolutely incredible. I think that the addition of Butylone to the Methylone adds a bit more stimulation and euphoria as well as giving it more of a "push". In my opinion, that's what makes this combo feel more like MDMA than Methylone alone. I may try Methylone again by itself if I'm looking for a laid-back, fun night, but I doubt I'll be using Butylone alone again any time soon. I wasn't that impressed with it on it's own but like what it brings to the table with Methylone.
t +2hrs 25mins
9:20pm
Effecrs have peaked but are still going strong. Time to add my favorite accompianment to this combo, marijuana. I haven't smoked since Friday (48 hours ago) and I'm definately ready for a bowl. I didn't want to smoke before trying this combo as I didn't want to interfere with the results or my interpretation of them. However, i feel that the effects will only begin to lessen now so I might as well. Maybe it will help wirh rhe slight tension in my neck/jaw.
t +2hrs 35mins
9:30pm
It's been 10 mins and I've only taken 2 hits as I'm too into reading a couple of different forums, responding to posts, and listening to yesterday's Phish show as I am going to see them on Wed. (3 days away) and I've never seen them and I am more excited that ever now. Both being exceptionally into responding and communicating with people as well as increasing my excitement about having a new musical experience are 2 examples of the strong empathogenic
t +2hrs 45mins
9:40pm
Another 10 mins and only a couple more hits taken. I guess I'm feeling good enough that getting more fucked up isn't much of a concern right now. I also can't stop myself from habitually refreshing three different forums and undrugged to see if anyone has responded ti something I said. This combo would be awesome with a significant other or close friends. You could give it to me, tell me it was MDMA, and I would believe them. I don't have a ton of experience with MDMA, but feel that I've had enough to be able to make a comparison. I've probably had pressed rolls about 5 or 6 times and supposedly pure molly capsules or powder on about the same number of occasions as rolls (5 or 6). That took 10 mins to type as I was fixing a lot of typing errors, changing my mind on what I wanted to say, and in general not being anywhere close to what I would call sober.
Marijuanna is a great combination to about every drug I've trued, I've smoked just enough to return the effects back to near peak levels while mildly adding the stoned flacor which is nice as I will be transitioning to sleep as this experience wanes down. I'm about to take a couple of benadryl as I have allergies and it can't hurt that it probably make me sleepy, Time to check the forums.
t +3 hrs 20mins
10:15pm
Been doing same things and still loving it. It's not quite peak but still good. I'm slightly surprised at this as I've read that most people consider Methylone's main weekness is it's short duration. The booster and the Butylone both probably extended the effects without adding that much to the original dose. For the same reasons, I consider Insuffulation not the best ROA as it shortens it's already short peak. I've heard that you can use about half of the material that you would normally take when done rectally without greatly shortening the duration when plugging. Plugging is usually considered, by people who can get over whatever anal issues you have, to be the best ROA with MDMA so I wonder if this would be the case with these compounds. Next trial with these two will probably be via that ROA. Took about 8 mins to write that.
t +3hrs 45mins
10:40pm
Slowly beginning to come down. I think I should be able to get to sleep in the next hour or two. Plenty for tomorrow. So far, the comedown is very slow and gentle. Not at all what I would call a crash. When I tried Methylone, I had a great afterglow for part of the next day. After the butylone, I had trouble sleeping that night and was a little off the next day, but I attributed much of this from my nicotine wihdrawls. I hope tomorrow's more like the Methylone than the Butylone experience.
t +4hrs 15mins
11:10pm
Still slowly coming down. Pretty gentle with a little more stimulation now than euphoria (the ratio has switched) than I would like. About to smoke 2nd bowl to hopefully ease me into sleep. Just finished folding huge load of laundry. Feels good to get that done while having fun. I am sitting on the edge of the bed about to settle back in. My leg was twitching slightly for just a minute, Nothing bad. though.




Even though I say how MDMA-like it is. It can't really match MDMA in intensity with dosage levels that are semi-safe or would be economically viable for you to use.
 
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I guess it is, but I've never heard anyone refer to a cathinone as a beta-keto-phenethylamine.
 
I agree, they are still phenethylamines, just like amphetamines are considered phenethylamines. They are not in PIHKAL probably because Shulgin didn't bother to pursue them, as most of them can hardly be considered psychedelics.
 
I guess it is, but I've never heard anyone refer to a cathinone as a beta-keto-phenethylamine.

Isn't cathinone bk-amphetamine (and thus highly unstable, hence dried cat losing potency as bk-amp turns to...IIRC, norpseudoephedrine)?
 
Right, it can be referred to as that and many people would know what you meant, but I've never actually seen anyone refer to it that way. The closest I have seen is people saying "bk-MDMA" and "bk-MBDB".
 
Obviously that's for mere convenience. Much easier to type cathinone (or CAT) than bk-amphetamine.
 
coolio said:
Right, it can be referred to as that and many people would know what you meant, but I've never actually seen anyone refer to it that way. The closest I have seen is people saying "bk-MDMA" and "bk-MBDB".

You said, "beta-ketone-phenethylamine", so I thought that I'd be a pedantic ass. ;)
I wonder:
combined with selegiline, would bk-phenethylamine exert methcathinone-like action, as phenethlylamine becomes amp-like (albeit dangerously)?

ebola
 
You said, "beta-ketone-phenethylamine", so I thought that I'd be a pedantic ass. ;)
I wonder:
combined with selegiline, would bk-phenethylamine exert methcathinone-like action, as phenethlylamine becomes amp-like (albeit dangerously)?

ebola

Well bk-phenethylamine / cathinone is not related to methcathinone like
phenethylamine is related to amphetamine.
In the case of the cathinone we're dealing with N-methylation, while in
the phenethylamine case the methyl is added to the alpha position.

Regardless phenethylamine is AFAIK not psychoactive in itself while
cathinone is, but of course I cannot comment on the combination selegiline+cathinone

Found this though:
Phenethylamines including cathinone analogues shoud not be taken with anything over a few mg of selegiline.

So you were probably right all along, it's dangerous :)
 
Actually phenethylamine is psychoactive from what I've heard, but it is extremely short lasting because MAO chops it up pretty fast. I remember someone talking about taking it regularily (in ADD if I'm not mistaken) a while back, with somewhat amphetamine-like results IIRC. Though the doses needed were huge and he needed to redose in like every 20 minutes.
 
^that's true, it is active. my friend has been talking up PEA to me. He says he likes it in the 1-1.25g range.
 
If you get amphetamine effects from combining PEA with selegiline, I guess you could extrapolate that selegiline + PEA == alphamethyl-PEA (effects wise). Therefore

PEA + sel. = amphetamine effects
bk-PEA + sel. = cathinone effects
n-methyl-bk-PEA + sel. = methcathinone effects
n-methyl-PEA + sel. = methamphetamine effects

Now we just need some human guinea pigs and some chemicals...
 
Tried approx. 125 mg of methylone the other night....hits in about 15-20 minutes...very nice empathogenic feeling, but not so energetic as MDMA, went to a club and ended up sitting more than dancing. All my friends were talking a mile a minute, but I actually became very introverted and quiet. Never felt a real "peak", though the effects had longer duration than expected approx. 5 hours til come down. Will try a higher dose soon before making any final judgements on this substance
 
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