The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

[Jabberwocky]

is the panic attack like a lightheaded-afraid-i'm-gonna-pass-out feeling? I get that on high doses of MDxx. I never have passed out but I just get afraid that I've taken too much (I'm sensitive to MDxx).

 

[Xorkoth]

I get little fiending attacks from methylone after the 2 hour mark... feels very similar to cocaine comedown actually except less severe. The only time I did not get these (and the methylone seemed to last more like 4 hours, just trailing off gradually), was the time I took some at a friend's house and then my parents called, and I talked very openly and beautifully with them for about 2 hours, right through the usual comedown time. When I came back in I felt so utterly peaceful and proceeded to talk to my friends for hours... I never felt "crashy" at all. Every other time I have felt "crashy" from methylone though. Contrasted with MDMA, I do not feel "lossy" or "crashy" from it until the next day when I feel run over by a truck... the actual immediate comedown is just a slow letdown. But with methylone, after the fiendy crash, I feel fine the next day and never have that horrible depressed week that I get with MDMA (which is the reason I won;t use it anymore).

 

[Jabberwocky]

so you expect this is a setting issue then? The other times you take methylone were alone late at night, right?

I'm thinking about taking a methylone trip sometime soon...alone I suppose...eh, maybe not...I know what I need to do now (meditate).

 

[5meohd]

I beleive I have a special gift: paranoia.. and was wondering if anyone else thought maybe I should continue to accept as just that: a gift.

M1 had the courtesy to bring this out and smack in the face once more..

Step back 3 years.. graduation party.. second time rolling ever had an utterly BLISSFUL time 8) so what do I do? try again the next night, BAM!! bad trip.. excuse me.. bad roll!!! didnt even think it was possible..

1.5 years later.. P. cubensis for the first time.. at a period where I was perfectly content being a druggy and almost proud of it (even though I only had access to the typical street substances alcohal, robitussin, pharmies, shitE pills, coke, and occasionally MUSHROOMS!! yea I thought 4th of July lets get fucked up on some hallucinogens!! NOT I ate 3g and at the 3 hour mark I was completely out of my body just floating in the cosmos, everything vanished and all I could see was the infinite universe.. I zipped back down with tears in my eyes and asked my buddy if he was experiencing anything similar.. "no, are you ok?" lol... and we were at a drunk beer pong kinda party.. oops.. I immediatly began to freak out and vomit violently and panic and panic and panic some more.. had OEV of mutant/monsters flying from the corners to attack me, so I closed my eyes only to feel/hear my mother crying and asking me why I'm fucking up my life doing so many drugs....... ZANG!! the panic got so much more intense I thought I was going to die... then the sun came up and I left the house to go home and rest.. phew.. safe at last


fast forward to last weekend.. FESTIVAL: friday night: 1 E pill, then 40mg M1 up the nose.. 145mg down the hatch.. and random licks of "molly" throughout the night.. it was amazing!! smoked some DMT at the end and had a beautiful time... saturday: LSD!! I had some very good/pure blotter that I had been saving for this day ~175 mics per hit (NO LIE) this was to be my first LSD experience (since all the paper I had before did absolutely nothing like this) I ate half.. waited 1 hour.. ate 1/4.. 1 hour ate 1/4.. 2 hours ate 1/2 and man oh man did I have the day of my life.. so natural and beautiful.. but then night came and all the people were just getting there trip on... and I'm down!! oh no!! I better pop 145mg of M1 that I have............. WRONG!! another bad roll.. all I could think of was that the acid was so perfect and beautiful that I should be at home with my fiance and my dog discussing it and loving them.. not at this fucked up festival with 7000 people I dont know trying to stay high as long as possible..........

oops.. this is a long story..

so do you think its a gift?? like the psychedelics are very kind in telling me that they can not be used as toys?? should I fear more badtrips?? I used to, but now I am realising that all of my bad expereinces have been at retarded times in my life where I was just abusing the substances..... never again will I do this.. for psychedelics/mdxx have given me some of the best moments of my life, and through them I have shown so many others what is out/in there, things that they may have never fealt/seen.......

I guess my qeustion is mainly for Youkai... how can you handle psychedelics like you do?? how does you inner self not through demons at you to stop the abuse?? I'm glad to hear you have been clean for a couple weeks... I would really love to hear about if not document myself some of your experiences.. have you not thought about just leaving out the crack/opiates?? do you really feel that psychedelics are in the same boat?? I don't get how we are all so different.. yet I love it.. so interesting..

 

[Xorkoth]

so you expect this is a setting issue then? The other times you take methylone were alone late at night, right?

I'm thinking about taking a methylone trip sometime soon...alone I suppose...eh, maybe not...I know what I need to do now (meditate).

A few times I took it alone at night... usually I took it with my fiance, but as she was not on anything I didn't really get fully into conversation or anything. Really what seemed to eliminate the fiending was being totally absorbed into a deep conversation for hours... I basically pushed the fact that I was on methylone to the back of my mind and just allowed it to open me up emotionally. The drug effects became secondary to the emotional effects, whereas other times I have been very aware that I was on a pleasurable drug. Does that make sense?

I guess my qeustion is mainly for Youkai... how can you handle psychedelics like you do?? how does you inner self not through demons at you to stop the abuse??

I have also gone through a stage of taking psychedelics a lot, up to 4 or 5 times a week at times (although not heroin and crack as well). For me, it just stopped being very psychedelic... when you use them that much, you get so used to them and build up so much tolerance that they become regular drugs, for the most part... nothing unexpected happens anymore. It feels very comfortable, as opposed to when you're not fully used to psychedelics and they give you feelings of discomfort along with the good feelings.

 

[Ximot]

using crack and heroine together with psychedelics is surely an effective way of achieving self-destruction in the fast lane. on top of that i somehow feel that those requiring too manyx uppers/downers along with their psychedelic intake basically cannot handle the psychedelics in the first place and to cover up their discomfort they use uppers/downers. Just a hunch, but I have seen to many go that way to be able to ignore it. Uppers for confidence and downers to be able to get some rest and eliminate the paranoia... one reason I don't pverly indulge in psychedelics is my own inability to always take it without being shaken to my core and more likely to be using uppers/downers later to feel better again.

 

[fizzacyst]

I mostly take downers after psychedelics not because I've been battered and need to calm/reassure myself with the sweet bliss of opiates or whatever... its more that some psychedelics (not all!), and especially the entactogens tend to have some crappy side effects as they wear off. Its not really related to the mental experience, I mean more of the physical shakiness or overstimulation and the like that lingers after everything else is gone. Basically, I've soaked it up, its over, I'm back to normal aside from probably being tired (yet unable to sleep)... and am just all shaky or whatever. I dont see a reason to suffer through that.

Now if I needed something to dose in the first place, like taking opiates (or whatever) along with my LSD or methylone or anything, really, then yeah, I'd agree, maybe you should back off a tad.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

I've read that methylone works more through dopamine release than through serotonine release, compared to MDMA. now this confuses me - should dopamine release not result in a cocaine-like stimulation - and isn't methylone generally said to be more "mellow" than MDMA?

 

[Jabberwocky]

^ It releases serotonin at a decreased rate compared to MDMA. It still is a significant serotonin releaser, though.

using crack and heroine together with psychedelics is surely an effective way of achieving self-destruction in the fast lane. on top of that i somehow feel that those requiring too manyx uppers/downers along with their psychedelic intake basically cannot handle the psychedelics in the first place and to cover up their discomfort they use uppers/downers. Just a hunch, but I have seen to many go that way to be able to ignore it. Uppers for confidence and downers to be able to get some rest and eliminate the paranoia... one reason I don't pverly indulge in psychedelics is my own inability to always take it without being shaken to my core and more likely to be using uppers/downers later to feel better again.

wow this is an awesome post thanks for your interesting thoughts seriously.

 

[Mandark]

A few methylone questions

Hello there.

I have browsed the bluelight and some other drug-related sites to find the answers, but I failed to do so. Here are the questions:

1) Is redosing methylone safe and does it make any sence? If one wanted to be under influence of it for at least 6 hours (and as we know, a single dose of methylone lasts only 3-4 hours) what would be the best way of redosing? Should one take another dose when the first one is finished or should one take a small 'bump' every xx minutes? If the latter is correct, what percentage of the starting dose should the bumps consist of?

2) Is Iv'ing methylone safe? What are the effects of it (i.e what is the difference between IV'ing and a normal oral dose)? Once again, is it worth it (are there any major advantages) and what should the dose be (compared to a normal oral dose?)

Thanks for anyone kind enough to help me and answer these.

PS. I was not sure where to post this one, here or the ecstasy forum..

 

[Coolio]

I recommend eating a 180-300mg dose at T+0:00. Then another 100mg to 180mg every 2 hours following that.

If you've never done methylone at all, don't take my word on the weight in milligrams because you might be more sensitive to it... but the redosing every 2 hours is my preferred method. I have a hard time using less than a gram in a night though, because the urge to redose is nearly as intense as it is with cocaine.

 

[triiper]

what is this stuff? how close is it to e?

 

[Mr Blonde]

what is this stuff? how close is it to e?

Erowid Methylone Vault

PS. I was not sure where to post this one, here or the ecstasy forum..

It belongs in Psychedelic Drugs, so I'll shoot this over there. Probably will be added to the Big & Dandy Methylone thread.

 

[Coolio]

I kind of like that he specifically asked about how to dose/redose to stay high for 6+ hours. It's a pretty specific question, not sure if that shouuld be buried in the Big & Dandy?

(I don't understand the exact point of B&D threads.)

 

[Putingrad]

Erowid:

Boosting / Bumping
Methylone is sometimes used with a larger "attack" dose (first dose) and then smaller "bumps" to maintain the effects for a longer period. These bumps are taken orally or insufflated and are often around 30 - 100mg oral and 20-80mg insufflated.

A third-to-half-dose redose usually extends the duration for another hour, a full-dose redose often extends the duration for another 1-2 hours. Some say that taking a booster dose more than 2 hours after the initial dose will not result in extending the desired effects.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/methylone/methylone_dose.shtml

 

[Jabberwocky]

redosing is pretty worthless for me, the empathetic effects are largely gone and stimulations starts to dominate. Reboosting is a weak drug experience, really (pricey too). If you want stimulation do methamphetamine...if you want empathy do one controlled/reasonable dose of M1.

 

[Mandark]

Thank you for your answers, kind people. I am still unsure whether or not I will try to redose. Maybe luckily I am a member of the minority that feels the bumps correctly. Nevertheless, here are some more doubts:

1) Has anyone taken MDPV when the effects of methylone are gone? Should I reduce my regular recreational dose of it or just go for it? Same question goes for 4-aco-dmt, though with this one if I take it it will be a minute dose.

2) As far as I know, cannabis and MDMA are commonly combined, yet someone in this thread (pardon me for not remembering who) stated that cannabis do not mix with methylone that well. Anyone who smoked pot during the methylone trip - please, post how it felt.

One can never be too sure and safe when planning a 10+hours consumption of various psychoactives, that is why I am so concerned about details. This event must be a remembered one (with no ERs coming!)

 

[maxkd]

methylone v mephedrone

methylone v mephedrone?

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HI guys anyone tried both of the above?Got some methylone last week and really like it tried a real low dose then did about 150mg,definatlely got an e type feel no question best so far i jusy need to perfect the dose,you see i i dont drink much now but like to go out have a have a nice chilled drug that gives u euphoria and a bit of energy but most of all doest make you look like a twat visually or either way.Now with tweaks i think this could be for me,tho my girlfriend who i hadnt told i took it says wow your pupils u e head what u taken?she was not really freaked as there where no where near real e's but i was gutted as i wanted to take a drug that has no outwardly signs,and i thought i took a sensible dose,i can lower my does again but of course the effects will be lost mm,i think there are certain things you can take that make pupils smaller too,tho cant remember.Anyway a great subtle but definate great subtle legal e.Now Anyone tried mephedrone i thought i may try that next,maybe it won dilate pupils and i think gives a tad more energy too like to know some reviews of it,anyone get much come down of any of these,i was a bit blue a v tired but nothing like the real think plus a took some gbl to help me with after effects seem to help!!

 

[EarlGrayUK]

Mephedrone DOES dilute the pupils quite a lot. Comedown after one NORMAL dose is so soft, some people say they have non at all. Comedown after several doses seems to as bad as usual with that kind of substances.

If you want to read experiences, just use the Search on top of the board.

 

[Chaos Butterfly]

shifting to PD.