The Big & Dandy bk-MDMA (Methylone) Thread

[Youkai]

The way you describe your MDMA use man, I would be kind of surprised if you didn't have some fucked up tolerance.

I think it would be pretty hard to confuse the two drugs if you have any real amount of experience with either.

If you are taking over a gram a night of either, especially repeatedly... one day after the other, you really need to re-evaluate what you are doing and why.

Actually, let me just ask, because I am really curious.

Why?

to get high, duh.

Im an addict. I just happend to have chosen some slightly less traveled things to get into (psychedelics). I mena, its fun, I got realy, rolled faced, listended to music met new people. I didnt wnat the experience to end. whoa though after the first night no sleep untill the next night I was spaced the fuck out, nitrous on sun come LSD and deems beganing of mid day. All the while doing MXXX untill eventualy a benzo found its way into my system, wake up in the middle if teh night and start all over. Iv said it befor psychedelic warriors, cosmic junkies. I mean, in society thats just addict behavior. does that mena I TRUELY believe Im addicted? no but I see where the lable comes from. it wasnt untill I stoped my MDMA substatualy that I started using crack cocaine and heroin, then started IVing. I found the limits, puting a bunch of drugs into my veins and seeing just how much farther there is to go. No doubt I am on a self distructive path of possibly killing my self or doing physical harm to my body.

Iv been like two weeks substance free besides tonight partaking on some shwag ass dirt weed bought on the corner with alil american spirt tobacco. I gots pretty high lol. But weeds not my thing, Im not a pot head. Im a psychedelic junkie, a ghetto lot kid. I like to take tons of MDMA, shoot dope, smoke crack, and be a k-tard. none of which I am currently doing. I will do them again, and prob in excess. but hopefuly I can find something to direct me towards something alil more constructive. my time will come

 

[Ismene]

have you abused MDMA in the past? Noticed lots of negatives from that?

No, never used mdma like methylone as the side-effects and hangover are a thousand times more noticeable and unpleasant. Plus mdma stops working if you use it two or 3 days in a row - methylone doesn't.

 

[B9]

^ I find it just becomes stimulating if used that frequently tho....which is defeating some of the point of the drug IMHO.

 

[fizzacyst]

to get high, duh.

Im an addict. I just happend to have chosen some slightly less traveled things to get into (psychedelics). I mena, its fun, I got realy, rolled faced, listended to music met new people. I didnt wnat the experience to end. whoa though after the first night no sleep untill the next night I was spaced the fuck out, nitrous on sun come LSD and deems beganing of mid day. All the while doing MXXX untill eventualy a benzo found its way into my system, wake up in the middle if teh night and start all over. Iv said it befor psychedelic warriors, cosmic junkies. I mean, in society thats just addict behavior. does that mena I TRUELY believe Im addicted? no but I see where the lable comes from. it wasnt untill I stoped my MDMA substatualy that I started using crack cocaine and heroin, then started IVing. I found the limits, puting a bunch of drugs into my veins and seeing just how much farther there is to go. No doubt I am on a self distructive path of possibly killing my self or doing physical harm to my body.

Iv been like two weeks substance free besides tonight partaking on some shwag ass dirt weed bought on the corner with alil american spirt tobacco. I gots pretty high lol. But weeds not my thing, Im not a pot head. Im a psychedelic junkie, a ghetto lot kid. I like to take tons of MDMA, shoot dope, smoke crack, and be a k-tard. none of which I am currently doing. I will do them again, and prob in excess. but hopefuly I can find something to direct me towards something alil more constructive. my time will come

Well, good luck with hanging on to those brain cells.

But I guess if it makes you happy and you don't mind wrecking yourself/going nowhere, more power to you then. Hopefully you will not influence others to do the same.

 

[Youkai]

Well, good luck with hanging on to those brain cells.

But I guess if it makes you happy and you don't mind wrecking yourself/going nowhere, more power to you then. Hopefully you will not influence others to do the same.

do I sense cynicism?

I was born too smart anyways, to live happily I needed to kill off some of my hyper intelligence

 

[fizzacyst]

do I sense cynicism?

I was born too smart anyways, to live happily I needed to kill off some of my hyper intelligence

I don't know if you sense cynicism or not, I am not so roasted as to think I can read others thoughts; if you do I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word anymore.

I don't doubt your motivations, desires, or methods of attempting to achieve such things at all. I just think that you do, or at least write posts about, incredibly foolhardy and sometimes outright dumbassed decisions regarding your drug use... and then go on as if it were totally A-ok to do so. A lot of people read this stuff. A lot of these people are impressionable, and this is a harm reduction website.

This would mean that the primary purpose of the website would be to reduce harm. Following anything you do is basically the opposite. I suppose, in a grim sort of way, watching you damage yourself gradually over time until you end up dead is a demonstration of what drugs can do to a person when mishandled, and maybe people will learn from that, but its not helping you out any.

You have taken ~4g of a substance which you obviously cannot identify (come on now, M1 and MDMA are quite different, and easy to tell apart, esp with a lot of experience), that is known to be damaging, you do it REPEATEDLY, knowing that its harmful. I mean come on man, thats just stupid. There is no other way to put it.

I think it should be made clear to people that imitating you is a dumb idea. And again, I'm not trying to be a dick. I know I probably sound like one, and if I get edited or warned or whatever, I don't care. This is ridiculous. I've seen enough people mess themselves up by acting like retards. If you are going to make a public spectacle of yourself, expect people to comment on it if you are on a forum dedicated to helping people not hurt themselves.

I don't want other people to think shit like that is all fun and games and do the same just to find out they are coming out mentally and or physically damaged from reckless drug use, learning the hard way because you make this seem like a big party. And for fuck's sake, if you still have an abscess from a missed shot of unsterilized improperly shot street heroin, get the shit checked out before you have a septicemia issue.

I don't bear any ill will towards you, and honestly, I hope you get the help you need and sort yourself out.

I just don't want others going down the same road because the consequences to them are misrepresented.

I hope you understand. I'm sure you do.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I will add that if you have been sold 'molly powder' that is unidentified then you need to obtain a marquis reagent and run a test on it (methylone will turn a beautiful yellow and MDMA will turn a glorious purple). Its easy and fun because knowing what drugs youre ingesting is COOL! Be safe!

I will add that I completely agree with Fizzacyst's words. This has become clear to me personally lately as I have realized I influence people's actions because of what I write here. We all do, but Youkai if you post as much as you do (or I do) then you have to realize that what you say will be read and possibly imitated.

There is a great word that I have recently forgotten the meaning of in my personal life: discipline. I am trying, trying to regain it.

light,
samadhi

 

[Youkai]

I don't know if you sense cynicism or not, I am not so roasted as to think I can read others thoughts; if you do I'm not sure you understand the meaning of the word anymore.

I don't doubt your motivations, desires, or methods of attempting to achieve such things at all. I just think that you do, or at least write posts about, incredibly foolhardy and sometimes outright dumbassed decisions regarding your drug use... and then go on as if it were totally A-ok to do so. A lot of people read this stuff. A lot of these people are impressionable, and this is a harm reduction website.

This would mean that the primary purpose of the website would be to reduce harm. Following anything you do is basically the opposite. I suppose, in a grim sort of way, watching you damage yourself gradually over time until you end up dead is a demonstration of what drugs can do to a person when mishandled, and maybe people will learn from that, but its not helping you out any.

You have taken ~4g of a substance which you obviously cannot identify (come on now, M1 and MDMA are quite different, and easy to tell apart, esp with a lot of experience), that is known to be damaging, you do it REPEATEDLY, knowing that its harmful. I mean come on man, thats just stupid. There is no other way to put it.

I think it should be made clear to people that imitating you is a dumb idea. And again, I'm not trying to be a dick. I know I probably sound like one, and if I get edited or warned or whatever, I don't care. This is ridiculous. I've seen enough people mess themselves up by acting like retards. If you are going to make a public spectacle of yourself, expect people to comment on it if you are on a forum dedicated to helping people not hurt themselves.

I don't want other people to think shit like that is all fun and games and do the same just to find out they are coming out mentally and or physically damaged from reckless drug use, learning the hard way because you make this seem like a big party. And for fuck's sake, if you still have an abscess from a missed shot of unsterilized improperly shot street heroin, get the shit checked out before you have a septicemia issue.

I don't bear any ill will towards you, and honestly, I hope you get the help you need and sort yourself out.

I just don't want others going down the same road because the consequences to them are misrepresented.

I hope you understand. I'm sure you do.

dont worrya bout it, just seemed kinda harsh. in my PMs at least once every two weeks I get someone who wants to tell me how cool they think I am how cool my life must be. how much they want to hit the road and do what I do. I ahve to break it to them Im only human, and that Im, not something to inspire to be. Im a drug addict. I use most drugs to dumb my reality down to a bareable level or like with psychedelics completely change my paradigm to something that makes it ok to not give a shit about my personal life.

a few people on here have met me in person, and know that even though Im the same guy as I am on here, Im also much more. Just... shit, nothing to do better for. family, friends, significant others... nothing has ever caught my attention enough to slow me down. its true, take me as an example of how to kills ones self slowly. why/how does one reach my point of existence? I realy dont know, I originay started with psychedelics as a way to enlightenment and some how have reached death. go figure.

so yeah, maybe I need to write disclaimers. But the ones who do feel the need to confes there foundness of my posts, and my life I always break it down to them of the reality of it. yes its a fun time but Im also a junkie.

lets take this all and move it somewhere else besides this thread.

 

[Duppy_conquerer]

I would say i`m the worst for being influenced or easily led,i have an extremely curious nature when it comes to substances that change perception and feeling.

Bluelighters need to be considerate and take heed,be responsible as much as possible.I try my best to be informative whilst giving both sides of an experience,if i have a wonderful experience with a certain chemical or plant i will give it in it`s entirety and will add a word of caution for it is only fair to be as honest as possible...For one mans heaven is anothers hell.

This is a serious topic.As many of you have read in my previous posts i was foolish with consuming large amounts of Methylone over a short period of time.

Whilst i found Methylone to be a marvellous drug when taken responsibly i also found it to be of an addictive nature to those with a predisposition to abuse.I was given good sound advice from members here to slow down,to stop,i was told of possible consequences of abusing this wonderful chemical...I found the heaven and the hell.

My advice would be that if you are a disciplined soul that hasn`t,an addictive personality,then you will find Methylone to be extremely rewarding in moderate doses.Be extremely cautious if you have had an addiction in the past or still have as this drug lives within the pleasure and reward centre of the brain and can become obssesively compulsive with very bad side effects.

Thanks again to Samadhi smiles.

Peace!

 

[toiletwater]

m1 is pretty badass and i'm suprised how close it is to mdma
very calming

 

[fizzacyst]

Do you find the entire exp calming? I think so for the 1st half, then I get rather antsy and jittery.

I see why people think it feels much like MDMA, but only that feeling as it initially kicks in has any great degree of similarity to MDMA... to me, anyway. The rest is quite different, and toned down a lot.

 

[Jabberwocky]

methylone is WAY more stimulating than MDMA is, especially like you say on the tail end of it (it gets fucking jittery and my body won't stop moving thank god for benzos). That's the major difference for me.

Also I found combining it with cannabis to not be nearly as good as MDMA + cannabis.

lol sorry I know you asked him but I just like talking about drugs haha

 

[fizzacyst]

That bit at the end kinda ruins it for me, almost. It never really feels like that until somewhere between 1/2 & 3/4 of the way through.. then its like I took another stimulant of some sort that isn't really worth taking... like an extra jittery caffiene or something.

I think its pretty mellow at first, definitely not intense, but I just kind of sit there with a blank spacey look, no real desire to get up and do anything unless I am already doing something (on a hike, say).

I usually hit the benzos at the end too. Its obnoxious. The good part seems rather short as well. Maybe thats just me, though.

 

[Jabberwocky]

benzos and lots of pot, but something tells me I don't need to tell you to smoke pot

I found recently that red wine worked really well at the end thrown into that mix. lol the 'comedown triumvirate'

 

[BreakingSet]

Does anyone else experience moments of extreme disphoria or little micro panick attacks on m1? It sort of like the tryptamine phase where you feel like you're no longer under the influence and then you're back at a +3 and so on. On m1 this happens between feeling absolute comfort and euphoria to mild panick. The panick feeling never lasts more than half a minute and in three hours usually only happens twice, but it always does happen.

Just wondering how common this is.

 

[fizzacyst]

benzos and lots of pot, but something tells me I don't need to tell you to smoke pot
...

haha, no, the smoking pot part is under control. I don't think I'd touch the stuff with some quality nugget on hand. That and lounging around in a hammock or camping chair or something in the shade is my preferred way of calming the jitters. opiates are good too, but thats a whole other can of worms.

I do wish the stuff's duration wasn't so short, though. I guess thats one of my (few) complaints about MDxx drugs in general. but, it is much worse with methylone than the others it seems. at least to me. i may have gotten dicked over on how i process this one or something.

I really LOVE the first 45 min or so, when I have the extremely hightened tactile sense thing going on. Its fun to play in water. haha.

 

[Ximot]

moments of extreme disphoria or little micro panick attacks on m1

the higher the dosage the more likely it is - have observed it in myself and in others... sudden jerky head/eye movements that seem to indicate extreme restlessness/indecisiveness/uncertainty... soon to be replaced by yet another wave of methylone plesaurable goodness... until at the end of it all, when it all wears off, there's a state of stimulated dysphoric sleeplessness with the body's stress response gone into overdrive and the mind not happy.

maybe, just maybe, those "micro panic attacks" (i like that term) are moments of total awareness, the soul examining what's really going on here... wondering if that high is really right... but M1 I will likely keep doing once in a while (1-3x/month though not every month) - unlike MDMA, which is definitely down to 3-4 times a year with me - utter maximum! Because MDMA goes so much deeper and fucks me up so much more in the medium/long term.

 

[fizzacyst]

Have any of you IV'd this? and what did you think of it?

I have no plans to do this, sounds like a turn off honestly. I was just curious since there are people out there that boot MDMA, MDA, and all their cousins. I was wondering if its pretty much the same, where its nothing.. nothing... nothing... TOO MUCH TOO MUCH MUCH all sweaty heart pounding nastiness.


Again, I've not shot any of these and have no intention of doing so. I'm just wondering about the onset mostly.

 

[Wayne Gale]

From a study done on rats:
Serotonin Release MDMA: 5.8 Methylone: 2.2
Serotonin Reuptake MDMA: 7.2 Methylone: 2.3

Assuming the results are similar for humans would this suggest one will get 3 times the amount of damage to their serotonin system from a same doses of MDMA compared to Methylone or is it more complicated than this?

 

[butane]

During the first half hour, immediately as I'm coming up, I always freak out about having too much. I would call it a full-on panic attack at times. But, it always goes away by T+45 minutes, to be replaced by a glorious experience that shares many characteristics with MDMA although is distinctly different. Towards the end I certainly felt overly stimulated, but as that started to fade I got the most intricate and amazing CEVs. They weren't jagged at all, they were all flowery and rounded. So unique! I get both the initial panic attack and the intense CEVs at the end with MDMA as well.