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Feste said:
The problem with cactus is that it's kind of pricey & making a tea or extracting can be a pain in the arse.
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nah, cacti is around the same price per trip as lsd and shrooms... 20 bucks for a fairly intense trip. making the tea is certainly a process but its not hard and it makes me appreciate the trip even more knowing i put a bit of time into preperation. the worst part is drinking that phlemy sludge, but its worth it.
 
Do not take salvia as your first psych... It may turn you off.

I recommend a tab of some acid, 2gs of shrooms or such, and if possible you should definatly start with 2c-c or 2c-i. Those two are very easy on the mind and not so harsh on the body if you like the body high they create (stimulation).


2c-b too i would guess but have never tried it.
 
IMO a lowish dose of 4-aco-dmt is probably one of the best to introduce somone to the psychedelic experience.

I'm not sure why so many people suggest shrooms. I guess it is because they do not last as long as LSD. Personally, and this seems to be a common opinion, I find shrooms to be pretty anxiety provoking and more confusing and disorienting than most other psychs. It also can have a pretty unpleasant body load IME.

4-aco-dmt on the other hand has all the positives of the mushrooms experience such as short duration (it's even shorter) with none of the negative side effects. It leaves you with a pretty clear head and a good euphoric body buzz with no nausea especially at lower doses of 10-15mg.
 
My first trip was on 2C-T-7. I was fine the whole time. Sat outside smoking cigarettes with my friends for 4 hours. Since, I've taken mushrooms and done ~500mg of 2C-E, and haven't had a bad trip yet. Hopefully get to take some acid tonight.
 
peu4000 said:
My first trip was on 2C-T-7. I was fine the whole time. Sat outside smoking cigarettes with my friends for 4 hours. Since, I've taken mushrooms and done ~500mg of 2C-E, and haven't had a bad trip yet. Hopefully get to take some acid tonight.
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What you must mean to say is you have done ~500 mg of 2C-E in your entire life, not at a particular time! Your post was a little ambiguous and I think it should be clarified that a standard dose of 2C-E is much less than 50 mg, never mind 500 mg! I've tried 2C-T-7 at the 25 mg dose level and my opinion is that it would be too intense for most first-timers. I haven't tried any smaller doses, so I don't know how suitable 2C-T-7 would be for a first-timer, but it was really fun and extremely visual.
 
matterofperception said:
Personally i would recomend a low to medium dose of LSD. Shrooms have always been more mentally difficult than LSD for me but everyone is different. Your best bet is either LSD or shroms just make sure to keep the dose low.
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I agree, starter doses of LSD are really quite gentle. Mushrooms could work too, I would advise as previously stated in sticking with a 2g dose for a first mushroom experience as the higher ones can get a bit hectic if you aren't ready for it.

The most important factor in making sure any psychedelic experience goes well is to be ready for anything, do some reading, do some mulling over it in your mind to prepare and when it comes on just don't fight the effects, be receptive. Fighting a hallucinogenic experience contributes greatly to the difficulty of it. Also, being in a familiar, safe setting helps immensely.
 
2C-T-7 definitely isn't optimal for a first psychedelic experience, not because its full effects are in any way threatening (i've always found it incredibly warm and euphoric, almost like MDMA but with a substantial visual component) but because individual sensitivity to the compound seems to vary so much. The only way to take it safely, in my mind, is to start around 15-20 mg orally and then titrate upwards by 5 mg or so each session over the course of several sessions until an optimal dose is discovered. Unfortunately, dosing this way increases the probability of several consecutive disappointing or even unnoticeable experiences before genuine psychedelia is reached.

I'd stick to what most people have already suggested. Take a tab or two of LSD in the daytime with a couple friends. Have a sound system, art supplies, and other things to play with available. Enjoy. :)
 
Lysergiphile said:
I've found if you don't boil it down to much, even leave as much as a litre to drink. Plug your nose and it just tastes like warm beans. The putrid bitterness dosnt set in until you unplug your nose.
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oh shit man, i boil it down to a few shots or a small glass. ive had to drink like a liter and it was horrible.
 
thanks for all the responses so far, Ive narrowed it down to LSD, LSA, Mescaline and Mushrooms.

is there much difference between a mushroom and a lsd trip?
 
Yes they are very different. LSD is a much cleaner trip with a lot less body load and confusion. Mushrooms tend to be very emotional while LSD is more analytical.

The visuals are also very different IME. Especially CEVs.

As I said before, 4-aco-dmt is very much superior to mushrooms for a first time trip. Less body load and anxiety, more clarity and euphoria and absolutely stunning visuals.
 
I think he means take a fairly solid dose. Nothing heroic but don't take like .5 of a hit of acid because you won't get an experience that is fully representative of what psychedelics are about. All you will get is some minor uncomfortable stimulation and perhaps some minor visual disturbances. Threshold effects.

My first real trip was 2 hits of really good LSD and it was amazing. Great visuals and an intense headspace but very light hearted and enjoyable.
 
if your talking about hallucinogens in general I'd say good place to start is DXM, if your specific about the psychedelic class I'd say low dose of LSD is the best.
 
I can't believe how many people here recommend shrooms. I consider myself reasonably experienced with psychedelics and yet the two time I took shrooms I found them extremely challenging since there is a definite anxiogenic aspect to them.

Actually this is an interesting question. I want to see what happens if I do a process of elimination instead of actually recommend something. If I never took a psychedelic and want to try a psychedelic (note: dissociatives not included):

I'd want something with short duration, so no:
- LSD
- AMT
- Mescaline
- 2C-E
- All the DOx

Something not too powerful, so no:
- all the DMTs (shrooms included)
- DPT
- 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7

Something not too subtle, so no:
- All the DiPTs
- All the MiPTs
- 2C-D
- TMA-2
- 2C-T-21

So that leaves me with...
- 2C-I
- 2C-C
- MDA (if you're willing to risk a comedown)

Note that I'm only talking about the psychedelics that I have tried (except mescaline and DOx, but these I do not need to try to know they last for days).

Also note that I use the first-person for a reason, YMMV.

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After all is said and done, if it came to me personally, I'd say "fuck it" and just take Ketamine ;)

THAT SAID... I am one person who believes that anyone over 20 who is not mentally-ill should try LSD at least once in their lifetimes.

:)
 
^ I've heard that 2C-D is actually not too subtle at all if taken at higher dosages than, say, those published by Shulgin. I really couldn't say for certain, but I've read many reports that said it was mostly anxiety free. Might be a good 2C-x phen for beginners. I've only had -E and -I and I wouldn't necessarily recommend either to a new psychedelic user without a trip sitter or at very low doses, just because both can lead to anxiety. 2C-I seemed less prone to anxiety than 2C-E, possibly due to its somewhat-euphoric tone. The long action of 2C-E is also an issue, I've rarely had a trip last less than 12 hours.
 
2C-D is actually currently my favourite phenethylamine, and yes, at higher doeses it is a full-blown psychedelic that rivals LSD in depth and awe.

That said, I consider it something to try after one gets a grasp on the psychedelic experience, because while it may be powerful, it lacks the push of other powerful psychedelics like DPT or AMT, for example, and therefore requires one to know how to dig in to find the gold, so to speak.
 
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