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The Big & Dandy Beginner Psychedelic Thread

rincewindrocks said:
^^well mescaline aint exactly legal, and extracting it is a pain in the behind. the only legal psych of any worth (IMO, and of variable worth at that) is salvia. All others are just pale imitations of black market goods. theres a reason the good ones get you loced away
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Cooking the cactus and making yourself drink it is part of the experience. The work that goes into makes the trip a little more satisfying than just putting a powder or piece of paper in your mouth.
 
PepperSocks said:
^ Same. Make your first trip a real one. Mushrooms or LSD would be good. LSD maybe being better for the beginner.
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I think a small dose like half eighth of shrooms in a nature setting would be great for a starter. My first true psych was at a full eighth of potent shrooms at a beach and it was one of only 2 ++++ trips Ive ever had. Im glad I had that experience and I would do it over again in a heart beat if I would get the same results.
 
I would go with:

1 hit of average LSD (that was my first psychedelic), around people you trust and who have experience with psychedelics.

Low-ish dose of 2C-I - i find it to be a good, friendly, and not particularly overwhelming. It's also short duration, so even if it doesn't go well, you'll be back down fairly soon. 2C-B would also be good. 2C-E would be okay too.

I can't speak to mushrooms, havn't tried them yet, but will be getting a chance to try some soon. I've heard people say some things that make me wonder about their suitability for a first trip (which have already been mentioned above), though some of my friends took them as their first trip and had great experiences.


However, really, i'm wondering why people are dissing HBWR as a first trip. HBWR's have problems, but they're not overwhelming (at least not in the dosing range i've explored)...
Issues i'd see with them:
Some people's digestive systems _really_ don't get along with them. Most have no problem with it though. They must be thoroughly cleaned (easy enough, if a bit time consuming - i was unable to automate the process, but not for lack of trying)
They're not all that strong a psychedelic (at least in my experience).
They don't really "kick in" until you smoke weed, until that point, you're just wondering "where the hell is the trip?"

On the other hand, they're legal, dirt cheap, available with almost no effort in small quantities, and not all that bad.

A related point, do you smoke weed? Imo, it would be unnatural to be taking psychedelics without having some experience with weed. There are some similarities between being high on some good bud and tripping, and i think weed is a useful introduction to that sort of state of mind.
 
If you're going to do HBWR then extract the LSA, it doesn't always work perfectly but its alot better than using the seeds raw (that includes using the sublingual technique). Another note: if you do extract the LSA, try and use it within a few days (at the most) of finishing the process, I've done the extraction half a dozen times and without exception, the longer you leave the extracted LSA, the more nausea results.

Ideally though I'd let them alone altogether, better to cross the letter of the law and have a good trip than play around with difficult, relatively unrewarding substances and risk a bad experience that puts you off altogether.
 
2c-b or 2c-i if you could find either....

mescaline if you don't mind nausea and puking at the start, from what i hear its a beautiful experience in its whole....

my first was acid, eat 1 or more. i took 1.5 and it was great and incredibly intense and by the end of it i had an entirely new outlook on life. But i felt i could have handled more....
 
^Mescaline alone gives me hardly any stomach discomfort, if any at all. Puking is non-existent. Cactus tea is a different story.



I think mescaline is the best choice for what you are looking for. You may puke if you drink cactus tea, but afterwards you'll feel wonderful and learn a lot. I promise. I've never heard of a single incident of people having a bad trip on mescaline at doses that aren't retardedly high.(can anyone find me a single incident of a bad mescaline trip).

P.S. do it in a natural setting, or at least outside.
 
A small dose of shrooms, a gram or 2 should do it, or 10-15mg of 2cb is nice... Shrooms with 2cb is quite a nice combo aswell.

I like getting messy on shrooms, and after the "where has reality gone" part is starting to subside, drop 10-15mg of 2cb and have a nice chilled out mellow trippy daze.
 
i would say +1 for shrooms/lsd - no to seeds..
although - if you wanted to really just dip your feet in the water there is low dose Salvia Divinorum.. that would give you a sense of what the 12 hour lsd ride is about for a short duration.. some people don't like the rush feeling though i guess..
 
A moderate dose of LSD (1 or 2 average hits), is the perfect introduction to psychedelia IMO. LSD is very sparkly, happy, and pro-cognitive (unlike shrooms which tend to make me very confused). I recommend taking the LSD in the daytime when its sunny, because although night trips are a lot of fun, they definitely have a different vibe to them-- more shadowy and menacing.
 
LSD and nighttime creates mischief ;)

Sunny is where its at, the suns rays feel so awesome when on low dose of LSD, like 1 or 2 hits of moderately dosed blotter or whathaveyou
 
ford442 said:
if you wanted to really just dip your feet in the water there is low dose Salvia Divinorum.. that would give you a sense of what the 12 hour lsd ride is about for a short duration.. some people don't like the rush feeling though i guess..
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I have to disagree with this. I dont see how a low dose of salvia would give any sense of a tryptamine/phenethylamine trip. Also, a low dose of salvia for me tends to feels like nothing at all to be honest. I either breakthrough or I dont. And alot of people dislike salvia due to its uncomfort and intensity.

Mescaline on the other hand is a great introductory psychedelic.
 
I would not recommend a 4-sub'd tryptamine like shrooms for the first time. Something gentler like 2C-B or 2C-I would be an easier and likely more pleasant first experience IMO. Also its hard to go wrong with a low to moderate dose of LSD.

I wonder if 5-meo-dipt or 5-meo-mipt would be a good starter. I haven't tried either myself, but I gather that they tend to be easier to handle than the 4-ho's and 4-meo's. Any input on this?
 
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