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^people are going on about all the research chemicals, and while i agree that a mild 2c would be nice, it doesnt sound like the op has access to 5meodipt or whatever. hell, i hardly ever hear of any of these research chemicals around anymore since the analogue act. but maybe my circles just suck :(. i just dont think these things are as easy to get as people think (though i have come across some of the 2c's before)

im still with mescaline, otherwise acid or mushrooms in that order.
 
^people are going on about all the research chemicals, and while i agree that a mild 2c would be nice, it doesnt sound like the op has access to 5meodipt or whatever. hell, i hardly ever hear of any of these research chemicals around anymore since the analogue act. but maybe my circles just suck :(. i just dont think these things are as easy to get as people think (though i have come across some of the 2c's before)

im still with mescaline, otherwise acid or mushrooms in that order.

Yea unless you know the right people it can be really hard to find...

not a lot of people try to sell research chemicals....

It really depends on who you know though, i can find just about any sort of research chemical....
 
2g of good cubes. There's nothing thats legal that easy to obtain thats worth a damn. If you wanted to try the seeds, I'd say order ololiuqui instead of HBWR. Its much easier to handle. Its about all there is in the legal department. I'd say stay away from cactus. Mescaline is a very intense psych, not to mention the nausea and vomiting associated with cacti. Most anyone here thats recommending RCs probably forgot a bit about what its like NEVER having done ANY psychs because they have been doing them a while. Stick with 2g of mushrooms... I really can't say that enough. Its a really rewarding easy experience. Steer clear of pot your first time. MJ is what makes a mushroom trip tend to be confusing. Without weed, mushrooms are a lot more like acid. The visuals pop a bit more, but your head gets all muddy and has a hard time sorting things out. Experience each substance individually before combination. Remember we're supposed to be dedicated to harm reduction. A cautious first timer shouldn't be advised to eat 3-4g of mushrooms, or a couple hits of acid. Thats ludicrous. What if said tripper "lucks out" and gets some P. azurescens his first time and eats an 8th? That would be absolutely terrifying. A small pot brownie and HALF a hit of acid shot me into space for 6 hours. Take it easy. Promise its the best way to go.
 
Either 2g of mushrooms, 18mg of 2c-i or some mescaline.

I would stay away from 2c-e for your first time, its pretty powerful stuff and a horrible suggestion imo.
 
It really depends on who you know though, i can find just about any sort of research chemical....

It's one of those things where you can probably get most of them on the market or you don't have a clue where to start. Somebody who hasn't done any psychs probably falls in the latter.

Of practically available drugs for a psych newb, I would reccomend going with a classic low-moderate dose LSD or mushroom trip.

DXM isn't purely a psych and it doesn't really feel like one to me until higher doses, but that's how I was introduced. It was amazing, but there were too many side effects (I didn't puke, I got puked on lol) combined with the utter confusion of the dissociative trip to say it's a good place to start.
 
it seems like for most, mushrooms are the 1st psychs ppl try (not always but very often) but i feel that mushrooms can be very intense n that low-moderate dose san pedro might be more optimal for a beginner due to the smoothness of the trip but thats just MO/E
 
The problem with cactus is that it's kind of pricey & making a tea or extracting can be a pain in the arse.
 
Considering how many people find it cold & rather intense at times I don't think it'd be the greatest choice...

I would have described it as more of a safety blanket that makes you a genius, like LSD without the fear. At least it was for me and the 15 other people I have dosed.

Also had someone try it as their first trip last week, their choice of course. It went rather well I must say. Don't consider this an endorsement on 2c-e as your best first timer option, but don't necessarily rule it out. Research is your friend.
 
well i find getting research chems much easier than getting either mushrooms, or lsd.

2c-i 16mg was pretty light & fun.

i have been able to avoid nausea with morning glory seeds by grinding them into powder, soaking in vodka for 2 hours, and then mixing with orange juice and drinking slowly over a 1 hour period. and it was anything but light, equal to anything else i have tried, very intense.

lsd is good if you can get it, and know the strength of your dose. when i have tried it strength of the dose varied greatly, and made it next to impossible for me to know how much i was taking.

salvia i don't like at all, though it is really easy to get, short lasting, and no side effects.

never had mushrooms.

don't really like 2c-e that much the come up just fills me with so much nervous energy it is kind of unpleasant, not to say i won't do it again, i certainly will, but not my favorite.

looking forward to trying 2c-c soon, which from what i have read is a good entry level trip.
 
A moderate dose of LSD (1 or 2 average hits), is the perfect introduction to psychedelia IMO. LSD is very sparkly, happy, and pro-cognitive (unlike shrooms which tend to make me very confused). I recommend taking the LSD in the daytime when its sunny, because although night trips are a lot of fun, they definitely have a different vibe to them-- more shadowy and menacing.

Excellent description and advice.

I would also say a moderate dose of LSD in the daytime is a perfect intro to psychedelia. :)
 
Threads asking whether someone should or should not take a particular drug is against forum rules. I don't think suggestions of which psychedelic someone should take for someone that is intent on trying a psychedelic is against the rules. I hope not as it is a good subject.

Personally I first started with a single hit of LSD and my life has changed for the better ever since.

Anyone trying a psychedelic for the first time should do a lot of research and verify that they are not at great risk of catalyzing any underlying mental health issues. If you are not mentally or emotionally stable and have a family history of mental health issues, be extremely cautious.
 
Aren't "What should I take?" threads against the rules?

Im pretty sure this is a drug harm reduction forum, and this thread is entirely desinged to help me (and other viewers) have a smooth and safe journey into the world of psychadelics.


Anyone trying a psychedelic for the first time should do a lot of research and verify that they are not at great risk of catalyzing any underlying mental health issues. If you are not mentally or emotionally stable and have a family history of mental health issues, be extremely cautious.

Well, my childhood was messed up, so I developed OCD, 2 bouts of depression and Paranoia around 11-14. Nothing drug related.But I am past that now, and would know how to come out of it if it happend again. So does that mean Im never allowed to take a psychadelic just because years ago I had them?
 
Well, my childhood was messed up, so I developed OCD, 2 bouts of depression and Paranoia around 11-14. Nothing drug related.But I am past that now, and would know how to come out of it if it happend again. So does that mean Im never allowed to take a psychadelic just because years ago I had them?

It is completely up to you to decide whether you are "allowed" to take psychedelics. You must look at studies, facts, and other people's experiences, and decide for yourself whether the risks outweigh the benefits, as in any rather major decision in life.

Psychedelics can precipitate paranoia and they can bring nasty suppressed emotions up to surface. If you have any suppressed emotion or paranoia, psychedelics may cause you to deal with these issues, for better or for worse.

How long ago did you have these symptoms, i.e. you said this was when you were 11-14, so how old are you now?

I can only tell you the facts, it's up to you to decide whether you want to dive into the world of psychedelia. If you do decide to, I would strongly advise that you err on the side of caution and not dive head first.

Personally, I don't know anyone who has freaked out from their first time tripping out, al though some people have had bad trips when doing psychedelics irresponsibly, such as taking a dose higher than they could handle, doing psychedelics more often than they can handle mentally, or tripping during times of emotional upheaval. Always make sure you are not the least bit apprehensive about tripping before you do, especially for the first time. It would be a good idea to have a good friend or possibly two friends that you trust with you while you are tripping, preferably sober in case you encounter any turbulence while flying. If you have any well trusted friends that have any experience with psychedelics, they could be extremely useful in the case that you need to be talked down out of a bad trip. If none of your friends have had any experience with psychedelics, a like minded friend who is also interested in psychedelics and has some general information is important. I had a friend who had a bad trip with people who were completely unfamiliar with psychedelics and they didn't know how to deal with him. A friend reassuring that it's just a drug and you'll be fine could have diverted this bad trip.

If you have access to any benzos, such as valium, xanax etc. they can come in handy if you encounter a bad trip. They aren't necessary, I've never had to use any to redirect a trip, but it's always good to be as prepared as possible. Alcohol, or mild sedatives such as kava kava can also help redirect a tense trip if you don't have access to benzos. Most people like to go into a trip with a clear mind, but personally I usually drink a few beers before I drop acid, and drink a few more while waiting for the acid to kick in. For me, 4 or 5 beers helps calm my nerves and prepares me for the ride. If you do decide to trip and if you start to feel uncomfortable or negative, always remember it's just a drug that lasts temporarily. You must always understand that you will come down, the high is not permanent. This reassurance can be enough to divert bad trip into a good one.

I wish I had all of this information the first time I tripped! The first time I took a psychedelic, I took a single hit of LSD without any planning, completely spontaneously, and luckily I had one of the most amazing experiences of my life. I can see you are more mature than I was since you are asking questions and researching before deciding whether to trip or not, unlike me. If you treat psychedelics with the respect and reverence they deserve, they can be an unfathomably powerful ally, both spiritually and psychologically. But, always remember there is a yin to every yang, a negative for every positive. You can not have one without the other. Furthermore, al though positive and comfortable trips can be the most ecstatic, difficult psychedelic experiences can be the most important, or conversely difficult psychedelic experiences can also have devastating effects on the unwitting mind.
 
shrooms are the intro hallucionogen. they are pretty damn cool, too. now that i have taken both, i would never take shrooms again, but LSD can go so much more wrong than shrooms. both cant take weird turns, but with LSD it is limitless concerning how bad it can get. Though, same with how good it can get. That's why it is something to look into after you have taken and know you enjoy shrooms. I know there are hallucinogens other than these two, but i dont know anything about them. shrooms, dude. if you cant get 'em, wait.

Edit: and it is so hard to know how much acid you are taking. a "hit" varies so much it is absurd. ive tripped much harder on one half hit than on 4 hits. shrooms vary too, but not so horribly. also, i think how long lsd takes to come up is disconcering for a first timer or anyone actually. too much time to wonder. thats why beer is so nice with acid. do not drink on shrooms though, too much nausea. if you are a marijauan user, you will hate yourself if you dont have it on hand. green is a trip necessity IMO.
 
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Personally i would recomend a low to medium dose of LSD. Shrooms have always been more mentally difficult than LSD for me but everyone is different. Your best bet is either LSD or shroms just make sure to keep the dose low.

This is exactly what I did. LSD is a lot easier to handle for a first time tripper I think. Any good amount of good mushrooms can get a little out of control at times.
 
^^ I've always found shrooms to be more difficult than LSD in general. Sometimes I get an intense headfuck from shrooms. This can happen on any psychedelic, but for me personally shrooms induce headfucks more often than LSD. It is true that it is nearly impossible to know how much is on a hit of acid, but generally a single hit is not a strong dose. I've had some hits of acid that were more potent than even 3 hits of average stuff. Luckily, whoever I got the acid from always let me know how strong it was so I knew not to take more than 1 hit at a time. If anything most dealers might tell you their stuff is stronger than it actually is, but rarely would they tell you it is weaker. Remember, any advice on which psychedelic is best for a first-timer is purely subjective, but I'd recommend a dose of 1 hit of average acid, 2 grams average mushrooms or a moderate Peyote/Peruvian Torch/San Pedro dose in that order.

I'm biased as LSD is my all-time favorite drug, but also consider erowid's description for acid:

"LSD is the best known and most researched psychedelic. It is the standard against which all other psychedelics are compared."
 
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^i understand what you are saying, and it is why i would not take shrooms over lsd anymore. but for a first time, that cloudiness can almost be comforting. your chances of thinking life as you used to know it is over are much higher on lsd than on shrooms, IME (i agree, hallucinogens are very subjective). on shrooms i can feel sick, uncomfortable, and have no idea what is going on--that is when shrooms go wrong. on lsd, i can think that love died and we are going to live in some sort of hell for eternity--that is when lsd goes wrong.

oh yea:
"It is completely up to you to decide whether you are 'allowed' to take psychedelics."
Wouldn't that be nice? but I know what you meant.
 
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