The Big & Dandy Beginner Psychedelic Thread

[busted bones]

This is exactly what I did. LSD is a lot easier to handle for a first time tripper I think. Any good amount of good mushrooms can get a little out of control at times.

I have to disagree with this though. If a person is smart and does like a half eighth they will be fine and have an amazing trip, assuming no crazy uncontrollable stuff happens mid trip. LSD on the other hand can bring out terrifying trips even in experienced users. I find it much easier to remember im on something with shrooms than LSD. LSD is also alot longer lasting so if they start to worry about being trapped into tripping it lasts much much longer. With shrooms no matter the dosage Im always back to baseline around 6-7 hours LSD though it has been as short as 8 hours on super weak stuff all the way to 24 hours on alot of it

 

[Delsyd]

I don't think there's a problem going straight to DMT. Its a fabulous psychedelic, extremely anxiolytic and smooth. The short duration is another thing that would make it great for a first timer.

while i agree with you that there is no problem starting with DMT.
Im going to disagree that is is extremely anxiolytic.
Out of the hundreds of times ive smoked DMT most trips were filled with joy and love. But there were occasions where i was filled with "the fear."
As always, set and setting play a very important role.

I suggest MET (N-methyl-N-ethyltryptamine) for a beginner psychedelic. Es muy rico.

MET is a great psychedelic. But considering how rare it is i doubt any begginer would hae access to it.

^^^ok, just because they are coined "research chemicals" does not automatically make them dangerous...

i agree. But begginers usually dont have access to these chems or scales accurate enough to measure them. Thats why i wouldnt recoend them to someone new to psychs, personally i love trying out new RC's.

your points as to why they would be bad beginner psychs are actually points as to why they would be good - namely that they are easier, less mentally weird, and less prone to ego loss and confusion.

I think that experiencing "weirdness, confusion, and ego loss" are essential to get a full scope of what psychs are capable of.
Im not of the opinion that a first psychedelic experience should be a light one.

 

[daysonatrain]

From what i recall you are quite a fan of DPT.
DPT certainly isnt an easy psychedelic.

This thread is about which psychedelic is best for a begginer to take.
That doesnt mean it needs to be a light psychedelic like 2c-i or 2c-c.

I think having a somewhat powerful but not too overwhelming trip your first time, to get the idea of what psychedelics are and are capable of, is better than some eye candy psych.

Im going to stick with mushrooms (2-3g) or 2 hits of average potency blotter as being the best beginner psychs.
Its what most of us here, and most psychonauts in general start out with and usually tend to not regret it.

Id certainly not recomend any RC's to a beginner. I think those should be left to the psychedelic enthusiasts or connaseuirs.

i agree with this 100%, but i would add mescaline to the list, in that order, mescaline or lsd and then shrooms. all are great but shrooms can be a bit rough for a first time, mine was, but i wouldnt give it back for the world, so whos to say. it really depends on the individuals physical and mental makeup, one psych would not be perfect for everyone as a first psych.

also, mescaline (from san pedro, ive never done synthetic) never lasts 24 hours. its longer than acid but its smoother and doesnt seem as long. though its a nice one to have a benzo or a bit of opiates on the comedown.

 

[Delsyd]

Perhaps pure mescaline lasts as long as LSD, perhaps a bit more.

But from all my readings and discussions, there seems to be consensus that the effects of cacti (note: plant material = countless other compounds with possible synerrgy + a sort of timed-release from plant-material) can still be felt after 24 hours.

Sorry to keep quoting yuo Jam. Im not picking on you just happen to disagree with this statement.

I have only tried mescaline in the form of cactus extract which included mescaline and alot of other pea's and isoquin's found in cacti. And the trip lasted as long as an LSD trip.
I was baseline by 12-13 hours.

And it was a very gentle experience for those of you that believe a first time trip should be light.

Edit: posted at the same time as daysonatrain

 

[Black]

yeah a couple of people have said DMT, which sounds good and everything, but my worry is that im extra sensitive to it or somthing, and the trip is too intense?

if you're worried that you are extra sensitive then just start low. extremely low if you want. if it is too subtle for you then just smoke a little more to increase the effects.

the thing with dmt is that you can always redose, whereas with almost all other psychedelics (don't know if dpt is like dmt in that respect) once you have dosed then that's your dose. meaning that it takes a (variable!) time for the full effects to appear and when you know how intense the experience is going to be redosing will only extend the duration. if you redose too early you can achieve higher peak effects, but you don't know how intense it would have been without redose, so you probably take too much thinking that the dose you have taken initially wasn't effective enough. i speak from experience here. on my first trip (with acid) i redosed because i loved the effects and wanted it to be more intense, but that ended up with me being completely out of it by the fifth hour and ultimately having an extremely uncomfortable experience.

so i'd recommend starting with dmt to test the waters, getting a feel for psychedelics and if you like what you have seen so far, then going on a trip with a psychedelic that offers the full spectrum of effects like lsd.
dmt doesn't really offer the full spectrum because ego dissolution, confusion and headfuck is much reduced compared to the classics like lsd or shrooms.

 

[Listening]

I don't think there's a problem going straight to DMT. Its a fabulous psychedelic, extremely anxiolytic and smooth. The short duration is another thing that would make it great for a first timer

Not for me, it wouldn't. My first trip was on mushrooms and it was love at first sight. I've now had trips on 2c-e, 2c-d, and 4-aco-dmt, and they were all great as well. Nevertheless, I've had a handful of DMT experiences and while they've been increasingly good, none of them have yet given me (even for their short duration) what I got out of the 'regular' psychedelics. Maybe I'm an anomaly, but for me DMT would have been a bad choice for a first time psychedelic experience.

I'm still kinda of the opinion though, that a solid dose of LSD is the best introduction to psychedelics because its just so damn groovy. It starts off your psychedelic career with this groovy sunshine daydream vibe that will carry forward through all your subsequent tripping. Being an ergoloid, its extremely pro-cognitive and it just wipes away all the bullshit that society programs into your head and allows you to actually think about stuff in a real way for once. Not that other psychedelics don't do this as well, but LSD just seems to be really good at it.

Damn, now that I've had the rest, I'm craving the best.

 

[Alonely]

2C-C. It's whatever you want it to be, and isn't pushy. It was my first, and I wouldn't have it any other way. I didn't do it alone, though, so that's a consideration.

 

[jamaica0535]

i used to think 2c-i was really difficult to freak out on but when you get some people up there past 20mg for some, 30+ for others, they can kind of freak out....

On moderate doses like 15mg, a lot of people seemed to enjoy 2c-i...

I met a kid who had a profound 2c-i trip off like 15mg.

 

[Delsyd]

^ive seen a girl have a rpofound trip on 20mg of 2c-i.
She wasnt an experienced tripper but had tried LSD and mushrooms in the past. 2c-i just happened to have the most profound effect on her, surprisingly.

 

[Delta-9-THC]

I think 2c-i could be an okay psych to start out on but I wouldn't feel that comfortable giving it to a beginner because it can have some nasty side effects. I don't find the body buzz very enjoyable and it gives me nausea a lot of the time. It also gives me a pretty bad headache at times especially during the comedown and even the next day.

I personally think 2c-i is a pretty mediocre substance compared to a lot of the others I've tried. It definitely has a dirtier feel to it. It has some pretty intense OEVs for me but the CEVs are very lacking IME even at 20mg.

This may partly be because it makes me feel so stimulated that I don't feel inclined to lie back, close my eyes and get immersed in the experience.

Again, 4-aco-dmt seems to be the best possible chem for a beginner with its short duration, lack of side effects, and generally impressive character without being overwhelming.

 

[jamaica0535]

^ive seen a girl have a rpofound trip on 20mg of 2c-i.
She wasnt an experienced tripper but had tried LSD and mushrooms in the past. 2c-i just happened to have the most profound effect on her, surprisingly.

yea, this kid apparently just felt really in tune with himself and the universe.

Not a lot of people give it enough credit, i really don't consider it to be inferior to other psychs. When i had 2c-i to spare i was always very giving with it. People just kind of think it sucks because they haven't heard about it, and then they try it and for some it is a really beautiful experience.

I consider this kid's personality to be "psychedelic" in and of itself. He is one of those people who seems to have a lot of respect for these substances. Those kinds of people are kind of hard to find around here. But he will definitely be one of the first people i offer DMT to if i come across it.

 

[Jamshyd]

From what i recall you are quite a fan of DPT.
DPT certainly isnt an easy psychedelic.

And if you continue reading my post carefully, you'll note that DPT is eliminated as a candidate for a beginner, listed right under "- all DMTs (Shrooms included)." on grounds that it is too powerful

See, I think that DPT is the best tryptamine I've tried so far, yet I would never, ever recommend it for a first trip, love it as much as I do.

And just for the record, while I think 2C-xs are good for "testing the waters" since they seem to have an entactogenic feature absent from other psychedelics (and therefore a "safety-net"), I personally am not really that fond of them, (save for 2C-D - which I also eliminated on grounds of being too advanced for proper use).

 

[daysonatrain]

jamshyd, i highly suggest you try mescaline cacti at sometime in your life

 

[7ca5p]

hmmm, so im guessing LSA is a bad idea? No one really has been mentioning it!

And it was a very gentle experience for those of you that believe a first time trip should be light.

Should it be? I know that varies between people and everything, but whats the general belief, because part of me would want to dive staight in, but I also know thats risky, and want to build up gradually.

P.S. Thanks for all the replys guys!

 

[sleepysaint]

hmmm, so im guessing LSA is a bad idea? No one really has been mentioning it!



Should it be? I know that varies between people and everything, but whats the general belief, because part of me would want to dive staight in, but I also know thats risky, and want to build up gradually.

P.S. Thanks for all the replys guys!

I think a low dose of LSA would be alright for a first timer - however, I'd say its main problem is with higher duration vs. lower strength. For me, HBWR or MG seeds last a bit longer than I'd want considering their action can be less than overwhelming. I've never had what I considered to be a truly "mind-manifesting" psychedelic experience on LSA. However, some have reported the truly mystical on it, so I don't mean to make it seem poor. I'd still want to recommend something with a bit more "punch" to someone who is new to psychedelics. But in terms of safety and ease-of-access, I guess this one is certainly more accessible than a lot of other drugs. I know I wasn't particularly worried the first time I had morning glory seeds, because they are natural and fairly well-researched. Now-a-days, I know better than to write something off simply because it's "natural" .

 

[colorsinthevoid]

I think it depends on you, but either a decent 2-3g dose of good mush or a couple tabs of passable acid are good for a first trip. LSD seems less conducive to devastatingly apocalyptic trips at lower doses, while shrooms can mindfuck just about anybody on even a small dose given the right circumstances. On the other hand, I find shrooms to be more comfortable than LSD so for me I think shrooms were a good choice for my first trip.

 

[MistaJeff]

1.75 grams of mushrooms was my introduction to psychedelics. I think thats better than HBWR seeds. The one and only time I did LSA I ate 8 seeds (chewed them and swallowed them). I didn't do it on an empty stomach so I was sick the entire trip and towards the end I smoked a cigarette and puked my brains out. Also the blood vessels in my groin constricted so much it was painful to move. I just sat in my bed and watched movies the whole time. LSD seems a little intense for a first timer and DXM makes me puke too. DMT seems like a bad choice too. I think 16th of mushrooms would be best the first time out. MDA and MDMA always came with a bit of anxiety, sometimes LSD too. I don't get that on the mush tough.

 

[colorsinthevoid]

DMT wouldn't necessarily be a bad choice IMHO, it's so intense that you really have no choice but to go with it and no time to freak out. So long as you warned them just what they were getting into and they are a relatively secure-minded person I think most people could handle it.

 

[MistaJeff]

I'm not too familiar with DMT. I smoked it once but I did get much effect from it, I just got a little speedy for a half hour and saw auras around people's heads. I guess I didn't smoke enough, and I haven't had a chance to since. It's really short and I think that would be a let down for a first trip. I just realized that I'd smoked salvia before I took mushrooms, but I really don't consider those psychedelic trips. I really think salvia is garbage, that would be an awful choice too but I wouldn't recommend salvia to anyone for any reason so I'm biased.

 

[any major dude]

DMT could be a good beginner psychedelic, IMO, because of its variable dose and repeatability. An introductory low dose to test the waters, then 30~45 min later go a little deeper. Repeat as necessary.