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The Big & Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread - Round Two!

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its really hard to tell how much cuz the potency varies a lot. Id use around two feet, although i will say that if you can handle acid you can handle a huge mescaline trip fine, its way more laid back. I always despine and peel the wax off, then core the cactus and blend all the flesh into goo and then mix it with water and put it on low heat(not enough to boil but steam will come off). Dont worry so much about how long as much as how much liquid do you want to have to put down. Usually by the time its reduced to a drinkable amount ive cooked it for four or 5 hours.
 
use my guide

you can just eat a few grams of dried powder with my method.

the dose depends on the strain, you likely have the shitty predominant cultivar strain

if so... it will take like 20inches.

if you have a potent clone.... it might take 5-7inches.
 
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^Why so rude?

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Anyway, OP, If you are talking about simple extraction, the preparation method you are considering is a good way to start. 12-24" depending on the diameter of the cactus (the exact mescaline content varies, but nothing dangerous that I can tell from those doses) can be condensed into a shot or so of liquid. It removes all the plant material, and your extraction is condensed juice upon completion. Just remember to be patient.
 
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Fucking A, everywhere I go on the internet I find you popping up and bashing everyone's cacti Teo. As soon as anyone says the words "San Pedro" the first thing out of your mouth is "you probably have the shitty Pachanot varietal", as if the only human being on the planet who could ever ID or possess a good strain is yourself. 8)
 
Since I don't have access to a working oven, I have a question about the tea method. Can I make the tea during the week, and store it in the refrigerator? If so, how long can I keep it there and how long will it retain its potency?

Thanks again!
 
If you were referring to the method i'm linking to, then it's not nessesary to use an oven.

"...Place the cookie sheet in the sun or near a radiant heat source until they are completely dry."

For storage I would prefer dried cactus or powder.
 
DiZzyBonne said:
Thanks, but worst case, how long could I store the cactus tea and where?
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I've stored the tea in the freezer and it will store for an indefinite amount of time once frozen. I asked the same question on this forum ages ago and was told freezing it was a way to store it for a long time. The only problem I had was that I could never get the cactus tea down me until recently, which brings me to the second part to this post.

ech0s85 said:
I always despine and peel the wax off, then core the cactus and blend all the flesh into goo and then mix it with water and put it on low heat(not enough to boil but steam will come off). Dont worry so much about how long as much as how much liquid do you want to have to put down. Usually by the time its reduced to a drinkable amount ive cooked it for four or 5 hours.
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The reason I was never able to consume the tea until recently is because I would always throw the shit in a blender, add water, hit the switch then pured into a pot and then cook the shit till it boiled down to a thick goo and would cool, filter, and drink. But that way is just sooooo foul! I could never get enough of the, "Chunky Snot Tea" as it has been called down me to do shit. Itz that foul. And they say the reason to boil it down to a snot tea is so you can just slam it back in one big gulp and be done with it. Well even if you can just slam it down it is sooo shocking to your system that you just puke it right back up. At least that that has always been my experience. Now it works for some to do it like that I guess. But not me. I've tried and tried like that and thought I'd never be able to consume Pedro. If you think about it, when you prepare it like this all you are doing is turning the entire cactus to liquid and consuming it.

I have found the only way that I can get it down is to start preparing it like DiZzy stated. Peel it and despine it. But then do not blend it up. Cut it from the woody core and throw the woody core away. Then throw what you have into a pot cover with water and bring it to a low boil. Boil it all day. Add water to it through out the day so the shit doesn't turn to sludge. Then when your done. filter the cactus out and pure it into a cup and drink.

When you prepare it like this the tea is the consistency of tea not snot. Yes it taste bad and there is a big cup full to finish, but if you drink it slowly over the period of an hour or so and you keep a lemon to chew on after each drink then it is doable. In my opinion this is the way to go if you are not going to just Xtract the shit.
 
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About to trip on mescaline (first trip ever). I have tea made from 22"x 2" of cactus.

How much should I down? It was approximately 400-450 grams, fresh. I don't want an underwhelming experience, but I don't want to take TOO much.
 
^drink as m uch as you can until you feel you're gonna blow. then stop, or you're just wasting it. you probably wont ahve an overwhelming experience making tea.. have fun :)
Teotzlcoatl said:
I clone in the winter when the cacti are dormant.

Put the cactus in soil after the cut heals and it will root by the time spring rolls around.
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bullshit. this guy is a troll. key word being DORMANT. weather needs to be warm for root-stimulation.
http://www.trichocereus.com/index6.htm
 
^^glad i waited a few more weeks from my original question


Jam uh weezy,

you have knowledge of growing trichocereus correct?

would you mind checking out my thread on San Pedros and Alaskan Fish Fertalizer? its still on the front page of PD as of right now. it is basically just a question of what fertalizer to use once fertalizing becomes necessary.

i didnt put it in the mega thread cuz i thought it would get lost in the Abyss

thanks in advance,
 
WHat's the best method for yielding the most of the activity from dried peruvian torch? Would that be crushing and swallowing it with water, only that I've heard nausea can be unbearable this way. Any worser than kratom sickness, and anybody that has tried mixing the two together? I'm considering trying both at the same time to mellow the high out, killing any possible bodyload if there are any, but of course I would possibly have to try one of the extraction methods or else I'll experience stomach blowing nausea.
 
I have combined kratom with mescaline cactus... definitely take the cactus first and wait until it really starts to reach a good effect before adding the kratom... and definitely wait for your stomach to settle or else you'll throw up pretty instantly.

Cactus definitely is much more nauseating than kratom. I have a strong stomach personally and I ground up 28 grams of cactus chips and drank them down in 3 shot glasses, mixed with water, and chased instantly with juice and peanut butter (for some reason peanut butter cuts through nasty flavors very well). I got a little nausea but nothing that laying down and pressing a pressure point in my wrist to prevent nausea couldn't help. After about 2 hours, I was really starting to feel the mescaline and I drank some kratom as well, and they mixed great.
 
Xorkoth said:
I have combined kratom with mescaline cactus... definitely take the cactus first and wait until it really starts to reach a good effect before adding the kratom... and definitely wait for your stomach to settle or else you'll throw up pretty instantly.

Cactus definitely is much more nauseating than kratom. I have a strong stomach personally and I ground up 28 grams of cactus chips and drank them down in 3 shot glasses, mixed with water, and chased instantly with juice and peanut butter (for some reason peanut butter cuts through nasty flavors very well). I got a little nausea but nothing that laying down and pressing a pressure point in my wrist to prevent nausea couldn't help. After about 2 hours, I was really starting to feel the mescaline and I drank some kratom as well, and they mixed great.
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Where exactly in your wrists did you push? Might be one of the most helpful things I've ever heard. Do you have any diagrams you could post?
 
Hello!

I've got some dried Trichocereus Macrogonus, a relative of the San Pedro. Google results regarding mescaline content are sparse but suggest anything from a dose of 10 grams to more than 100 grams of dried material for a reasonable trip.

Does anyone have any experience with this cactus?

Btw, this will be my first experience with a mescaline plant but I'm experienced with many other psychedelics so what I want is definitely a full dose of, say 300 mg of mescaline or something like that.

I have 112 grams totally which would ideally account for 4 trips but I'm not so sure about that.

Additionally I would like some input about the use of P. Harmala to potentiate mescaline. What's your experience? Some sources speak of a threefold increase...
 
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Well this is pretty much impossible to answer I think... unless someone has any experience with T. Macrogonus. Even then, if reports of mescaline content are quite varied as you seem to suggest, it's impossible to tell without trying some of your sample. I'd certainly want to err on the side of caution. Maybe you could try a low dose of 10 grams which would leave you with around 100 grams, and see what that does. If it gives you light effects, then it's probably safe to assume that around 30 grams would be a nice dose. If it gives you nothing, then maybe go for more.

As for P. Harmala to potentiate, it certainly works. But given the almost complete lack of knowing the potency of this cactus, I'd pass on that until you know more. It does potentiate to at least twice the potency, possibly up to three times. It also makes it a bit more stimulating in my experience.

I'm not sure what I'd do in your situation... I'd probably try 10 grams, then move up to 30. Then if that's close, you'd have enough to have a proper trip. If it's still not even close, you could try 25-30 with the syrian rue. I've potentiated cactus twice with syrian rue and enjoyed the experiences and didn't feel like it was dangerous, but I was working with cactus of a relatively known potency. And a pretty low dose (15 grams dried peruvian torch... or maybe it was san pedro).
 
Thank you for this reply.

My problem is that I intend to ingest the cactus this friday with a friend who visits from far away over the weekend, so I really have no time for a trial dosage... 2 days is not enough for tolerance to dissipate, I'm afraid.

Would it be plausible for us to drink the harmala extract, followed by a small amount of cactus which could then be boosted after an hour or so if we feel no effects?
 
It's possible. Mescaline is tricky because it takes 2 hours to really even begin and 4 to peak. It really is slow to unfold. In the case you just described, I would just take half of the total amount each, without the MAOI. The reason is because 62 grams of dried cactus chips isn't enough to be physically dangerous with any cactus samples I know of (though this IS a new one...), so the worst that would happen is a trip that's too powerful. Given the almost total lack of awareness of the potency of the cactus, adding an MAOI in there without some trial dosages is too risky, IMO. MAOIs could change a relatively safe substance into something entirely more dangerous unless you're pretty solid on know the dosage of mescaline you're working with. And for that matter, there are other stimulating compounds in most cacti, and who knows what effect the MAOI could have on them from an unexplored species? MAOIs have been used safely with the more common cactus varieties, but it doesn't guarantee they could be for this one as well.

Why did you obtain this species, if I may ask? Is it what you happened upon or did you choose it?
 
Very valid points. However, the alkaloid content seems to be as mescaline-dominated as in San Pedro, so I'm not really afraid of the Harmala interaction in that sense. 56 grams of cactus seems like it might get out of hand, though. The problem here, as I see it, is that tolerance may have kicked in by the time we can effectively gauge the intensity of the trip, making refill doses tricky. Is that right?

I got Macrogonus on recommendation from my trip friend, and I didn't care to do the research before placing my order, since he is quite knowledgable in general. This seems like a mistake in hindsight, but I can understand his decision since the vendor markets the Macrogonus in a more convincing way ;)

A back-up plan might be making some ayahuasca/anahuasca, since Mimosa Hostilis is more well researched with regards to potency, or even taking some RC instead...

Thanks again for your input :)
 
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