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The Big & Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread - Round Two!

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MisterPlainview said:
This is a big of an odd question but I need to ask it...

When you vomit from eating San Pedro/Peyote, is it a violent occasion or is it just normal "i feel kinda queezy" vomiting? Do people vomit up blood or anything bad like that?

Also, I've read that there can be stomach cramping involved...how bad can that be? It is over-powering to the point you dont enjoy the trip?

Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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The cramping/nausea/vomiting subside. But they can be very intense. The harder you toss, the harder you're going to trip.
 
root said:
The ends aren't hard except for the core. For example, on the end of one, there is a dark black spot (like a bruised banana, but worse) and when touched it feels gooey and nasty [edit: pic below]. And some other ends appear yellow/orange in spots and appear to be lightly seeping something of the same color. I have heard that fresh cuttings can mold quickly and I do not know if this is mold or rot or if its normal.


How long to you think I will have until they are useless/dangerous to take? or is it already too late? This is by far the worst one but the others have problems too.
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Cut off any rotting or soft spots ASAP then put it in the freezer if you're not consuming it right away. When my cuttings got shipped to me the ends were way worse than that; I just cut off the ends and put them in the freezer. I extracted one of them so far and consumed it, went just fine.

LabRatNW said:
It works. Extract it with ethanol, then dry the solution until it crystallizes. You can do the same with cuttings in a blender. Vinegar may work here too (acid/base) but you'll get mescaline acetate if it works, and you'll need to use a bit more by weight to compensate for having the acetate salt as opposed to the freebase. If you want to know how much more, find the molecular weights of each and figure it out.
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Perfoming an alcohol extraction and evaporating off the alcohol will not leave crystals; it will leave a crusty brown tar-like substance that contains mescaline and can be parachuted. It works fine for our purposes but it will not give you crystalized pure mescaline.

IGNVS said:
how do they get the long silver crystals as pictured on erowid?
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Those crystals on erowid are awsome aren't they? :)

Unfortunately I'm pretty sure those are from synthetic, pure mescaline. Doing an acid/base extraction on cacti will give you crystals but they'll be much smaller and not as fancy looking. Those crystals will also contain things like hordenine, tyramine, phenethylamine, and whatever other alkaloids are present in the cactus.
 
Trichocereus werdermannianus- if I recall, its allegeded to be very high in mescaline content....but I've never investigated it myself....
 
Found this by googling "trichocereus werdermannius mescaline content"

http://forums.mycotopia.net/botanic...ain-alkaliod-profiles-trichocereus-cacti.html

Looks like it has decent mescaline content like the others but nothing explosive.

I should mention mescaline content varies between individual specimens WILDLY. I've taken 12" of 3" wide cactus and gotten barely threshold effects and taken 10" of 2" wide cactus and had a full trip. Just thought I'd mention that useful piece of info. It depends on how it's grown. If the cactus never has any stress the mescaline content will be low, if it's had to work to survive, it'll be stronger stuff.
 
Haha, Huxley's would be the way to go obviously. Pure mescaline can be found but it's a rough search. If you want crystals that are mostly mescaline do an acid/base extraction on some cactus. That's as close to pure mescaline as you're likely to get unless you're very resourceful. ;)

If you can get cactus powder, get that. Back when I got that it was highly potent compared to the cuttings I've gotten since. I'd advise against just putting the powder in capsules and swallowing; it resulted in some of the most projectile, foul tasting vomit that's even come from my insides. 8(

Extracting's the way to go. :)

I can't wait to do an acid/base on some cactus material to get some crystals. :)

Thanks for the compliment BTW ;)
 
Wholeheartedly YES
Perhaps peganum harmala would come close.

Parachuting is wrapping something in rolling paper or tissue then swallowing it. The lazy mans way of using a capsule I guess.
 
mmm mm dont you love the smell of p harmala brewing. wafting the vapors as they rise above their own putridness
 
Solipsys said:
Parachuting is wrapping something in rolling paper or tissue then swallowing it. The lazy mans way of using a capsule I guess.
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Yes but parachuting is far more efficient at ingesting 1g+ quantities. I can shovel 2.5g of piracetam into a parachute and down it, instead tediously filling up 5 capsules.

Flarestar, basically you take a piece of toilet paper, put your goodies in the middle. Fold up the corners into the middle and twist the ends. Throw it in your mouth swish it around so it land in the back of your mouth and swallow. It takes some practice to get it right and not tear the tissue in your mouth. I find the trick to this is getting it to land in the back of your mouth by your palette and take a big swallow. Once you get the hang of it, it's easy as pie; I take 2 parachutes every single day. If I'm taking something besides my usual supplements I'll take more than 2.
 
Well I've done that with cactus powder, indeed with quantities over 1 gram - and it totally failed. The paper gets wet and sticks in the back of your throat, the parachute ruptures and there you are getting stared down while you choke on bonedry and ungodly bitter powder.

Never again, you can keep the hang of it I dont want it :)

OK maybe it was simply too much
 
But if done right it really does work. Try it with something not so offensive. I used to parachute multi-gram quantities of kava powder. I also do it with kratom doses.

Ya just gotta wrap the ends tightly and not rip off the "tails" Leave them there, they help hold the open end together. Once it's in that sweet spot in the back of my mouth, one good gulp and it's in like flin. Then again this is someone who can put 4 of those 1000mg fish oil capsules in there and gulp them down at the same time.

I'd be a good deepthroater if I was a girl and a whore. =D
 
lol theres a thread over in the lounge about squeezing your left thumb in your hand and you wont have a gag reflex...
 
Flarestar89 said:
Hey man, don't you want your girl/someday possible girl/if you're bi or gay boy to deepthroat you? ;)

Does that make her/him a whore? Seriously, it's not the act, it's why you're doing it.
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I was just being sarcastic. I just have to assume it's not too pleasant to have a johnson shoved down your throat so no, I probably wouldn't have my girl do that to me.

I agree, it's not the act that makes someone a whore; it's why you're doing it.

You'll find I'm not the most sensitive person in what I say. :(

I am sensitive as a person, but I live my life with my foot in my mouth. Typical Sagittarius...
 
Why do some instructions call for adding lemon juice to the cactus, other than flavor?
Also, has anyone tried adding stevia to cactus juice?
 
How does a more acidic environment help the mescaline dissolve? Or does the infamous bitterness come from being basic, so acid neutralizes that?

Has anyone tried vinegar (refined, wine, or balsamic) instead of lemon juice?
 
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Is there really a difference in potency between mescaline salts, besides from the molar masses? I mean the acetate is supposed to be pretty weak and the HCl stronger is that really true? A result of solubility in acidic aqeous environments? Could the potency of mescaline be increased by pretreating your stomache with a pH wash and would this help or worsen the nausea? Are these too many questions in one post? Why?
 
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How does a more acidic environment help the mescaline dissolve? Or does the infamous bitterness come from being basic, so acid neutralizes that?

Has anyone tried vinegar (refined, wine, or balsamic) instead of lemon juice?
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If there is freebase mescaline in the plant the acidic environment will convert it to a water soluble salt and pull it out of the plant matter and into solution.

Vinegar would work but if you're doing that you might want to continue on to an acid/base extraction... unless you want to drink vinegar. :\

Solipsys said:
Is there really a difference in potency between mescaline salts, besides from the molar masses? I mean the acetate is supposed to be pretty weak and the HCl stronger is that really true? A result of solubility in acidic aqeous environments? Could the potency of mescaline be increased by pretreating your stomache with a pH wash and would this help or worsen the nausea? Are these too many questions in one post? Why?
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Nope, It's all molar masses. The salts all have the same potency after the weight of the salt is taken into account.

I don't think this pH washing stuff you speak of is necessary. Just make your mescaline salt, whichever you choose, calculate your dosage from the molar mass and gelcap it.
 
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