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The Big & Dandy Basic Mescaline/Cactus Questions Thread - Round Two!

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im wonering about that milky looking blueish hue too. ive got this pattern all up and down my bridg's thats like an upside down V of that coloring comming from just about every other spinal node. if it indicates potency then my cacti are gonna be flame
 
That's just the way the cactus are, it's the sign of a healthy cactus. Too much sun and it starts to turn yellow. The blueish tint is very prevalent on peruvianus. It's best to grow them under some sort of partial shading, to maintain the beautiful color. I doubt it indicates alkaloid content, if anything it probably means less than a dried out, yellowed cactus.

The black dots are the result of the plant adjusting to different lighting conditions, transplanting stress maybe. They should scab over in a few days. They'll be fine.

If you're having trouble seperating roots systems, use a hose nozzle and lightly spray the dirt away. Gently seperate them as you do this, it's nice if you have someone helping you.

Wait a week or two after putting it in a new pot of soil before watering it, this gives any root damage you may have caused a chance to heal without growing bacteria/mold, and the roots will go deeper into the soil in search of water.

Personally, Highonlife, I think you should maintain a healthy, happy plant with good vibes for a while before you decide to stress it.


What can anyone tell me about maximizing alkaloid content? I know drying is quite effective, but is that the result of a stressed plant producing more? Or is it simply a chemical conversion that takes place as cactus material dries out? Like, if you let a whole cutting dry out on it's own, vs cutting up a fresh chunk and letting that dry out, how would the results compare?

Also, i've heard of people injecting with dopamine...what can anyone tell me about that?
 
i think someone with a heafty supply of cactus and gc/ms should do some tests.

anyone care to help design and submit (after we find someone to help us carry them out) a few experiments, i know theres lots of questions about increasing alkaloid content and such, and even more myths, so it would really help out the community if we could run an experiment to determine things like whole vs cut and thoughts of the like.
 
HighonLife said:
when i bought then it was two foot and a half tall san P's in the same pot, i was goin to put them in seperate pots but when i went to transplant the roots were hella tangled and i heard san P's needed to be handled delicatly when replanting so i decided not to start yankin roots around and i just put both of them in a much bigger pot,
is this an OK idea, i know it may stunt the growth
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I wouldn't be terribly worried about ripping a few roots. Usually you can shake them for a good minute or so and they'll come apart. Dunking the rootball into a tub of water while trying to separate helps as well. They grow much faster when not competing for rootspace, but it's not that big of a deal.
HighonLife said:
..from stuff i read optimal growing conditions doesnt always mean optimal mescaline producing conditions and that if the plant has to in some way be held back (either by water, or growing space) it actually produces more mescaline, so what do you think?
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Everything I've read on the topic is speculation. The only way I can imagine this works is intentionally depriving a cactus of water, thereby reducing its weight but presumably keeping the alkaloid levels at pre-drought levels. People have hypothesized that alkaloids are used as protective measures by the cactus, and because of this inducing stress will raise the protective alkaloids. It may make sense, but it's all speculation at this point. Personally I think a healthy, fast growing cactus will be the most potent, but who knows.


The blue color has nothing to do with alkaloid level or composition. It is a genetic trait, and is encouraged by slight shade as opposed to full sun.
 
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I watered my cacti 3 days after planting them... will that be okay? On the other hand, the roots were in good shape and I doubt I hurt any of them.

I live in a very humid area. Is there anything I should be watching out for regarding maintaining healthy cacti? They've been planted for about 2 weeks now, in very partial sun. How gradually should they be moved into full light? Can I find a place with a few hours of full sunlight yet?
 
Once, I bought approx. 15 grams (I think) of powdered 'endodermis', you know the skin beneath the waxy stuff of San Pedro which should make me trip quite hard I've been told.
It has been in my possession for a while now but perhaps soon I will try to ingest it.

I've had pretty weak cactus powder before (Dose was >60 grams and I was unable to consume enough) and made that into a slime that was horrible. I even burnt a bit of it, imagine what burnt acidified cactus snot tastes like!!!!
Unburnt snot was tried by me and my father but he couldn't consume anywhere near an
active dose and I only tripped verrry mildly. We got into a snowstorm which blew the (non-)
trip out of proportion but honestly the effects were hardly there at all. I can't quite explain
nor recall exactly.

Anyway what would be the best approach if I had 15 grams of potent skinpowder? Looking at it, it seems little enough to gulp down? Parachuting this stuff would make a mess, believe me I tried... don't know if I want to put a really big amount of effort into it, and I'm starting to doubt if it could really be that potent...
 
^^^ get some gell capsules the biggest ones they got, and just fill a bunch of those or since it is powder you might be able to get away with just mixing the powder in water and sallow with out doing the boiling process

you could also do an alcohol extraction also

but no matter how you do it, i dunno how much 15 grams is gonna do.
 
Me neither but I'm not treating it like normal dried cactus because I'm not interested in a trip
that is X times too intense ;)
If this doesn't work, which is a very real possibility, I'll consider ordering like 2 pounds of
cactuspowder and processing it chemically (with IPA perhaps...?), to get like 10-20 doses for
once and for all.

Often, the hassle is worth the reward, and mescaline seems very rewarding to me!
But I don't think I'll ever consider it a practical and economical trip... once or few times per lifetime,
that sounds like the limit to me
 
^^^ its cost effective if you could grow your own but it appears you are in northern europe and i dont think that europes weather is known for bein hospitable for cacti.

ya the shit is expensive when buyin from vendors once i paid 35 bucks for an ounce of cactus skins and then when i got it is was only 25grams soo ya it isnt really feesable on too frequent of a basis but yes it is very rewarding

good luck in the future with your big extraction
 
^cactus will probably grow anywhere that isn't extremely cold all the time, just adjust you're watering to the environment/seasons.
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I watered my cacti 3 days after planting them... will that be okay? On the other hand, the roots were in good shape and I doubt I hurt any of them.

I live in a very humid area. Is there anything I should be watching out for regarding maintaining healthy cacti? They've been planted for about 2 weeks now, in very partial sun. How gradually should they be moved into full light? Can I find a place with a few hours of full sunlight yet?
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Eh they'll be fine. That's just a precautionary measure I learned from a cactus farmer who specializes in San Pedro. (no, I don't know him personally so don't ask!) Humidity actually sounds like a good thing, considering where they originate. You just wont have to water them as much.

Don't put them in full direct sun all day unless they have fully developed root systems. Otherwise they'll turn yellow. You can use a lighter shade netting if you want to keep that deep, rich green color but full morning sun with some afternoon shade would be good too.
I always get impatient, and end up just putting them where they're going. They get these black sun spot things if you adjust them to sun too fast, but they'll heal over. Just experiment. It's pretty damn hard to kill a cactus.
 
cost effective?

alright man, if i put 25 cents a day into a fund to just buy x-inches of cactus, i would have ten times as much cactus in a year plus some than i would growing cactus...
 
well just cuz you use some piggy bank savings fund doesnt mean you havent spent more money in the end.

you might get more from saving 25 cents a day and buying on the internet in a year if you compare to starting from seed but...

if you buy dried cactus online it would cost more than growing some moderate sized well rooted cuttings i found two good sized rooted cuttings for 20 bucks for both..
after initial growing starts San P's grow quite fast i have had mine for two weeks tops and there is an inch and a half of new growth on both

i already could get high twice of this purchase (if i wanted), also if i wanted to do the same on the internet i would have had to pay easily 50+bucks (50 bucks for enough cactus for two doses is what im sayin)
 
I think for the average person who just wants to try it out, ordering some already prepared stuff would be cheaper. In the long run, with propagation knowledge, I'd imagine growing your own would pay off much more for sure.
You have to take into account the money you'll put into your basic gardening supplies/soil mixtures....

I'd estimate pachanoi to grow roughly at 1-1.5 inches per month, under optimal growing conditions.
 
I purchased three 6 inch cuttings, planted one and sacrificed the other two. I spent $3 on cactus soil, $0 for clay pot I found in the garage, $0 on rocks that I gathered from the ground, and $0 on water from the tap. :)

It is NOT expensive to star growing cacti.
 
yeah but you still start out from cuttings you have to buy. a twelve inch cutting is going to save you a fuckload of time than starting from a six inch cutting. months easily.
 
Quick question about drying San Pedro

Hey guys, just prepared my first cactus, but it's taken longer to dry than I expected and we're going away for the weekend shortly. Should I just leave my diced cactus pieces uncovered inside? I thought about leaving them uncovered in the fridge, that should dry the crap out of them while preserving them at the same time... anyone see any problems with this? cheers :)
 
baby san pedro

Hey guys, I just ordered some san pedro cacti and they arrived in the mail this morning. The website stated that each cactus was around 15cm long, so I ordered 4 (for me and a friend). I thought that each piece was going to be a cutting off a bigger cactus. What I have found is that it's actually the entire cactus that is 15-20cm long (and about 5cm wide) from root to tip. So I have four baby cacti! Can such young cacti be used successfully? I.e, do they contain enough mescaline to have an effect if prepared properly?
 
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