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The Big & Dandy Bad Trip Thread

Yeah ive heard and seen things like this happen first hand a few times. Sometimes during powerful trips people really lose their connection to what reality is. It usually starts because your getting paranoid or having bad thought loops. Then after that the shit seems to hit the fan. When this has happened to my friends it was a quick decent and a few hours before they snapped out of the stupor. I think these reactions are caused by A. Having a bad set and setting and B. Having an extremely powerful trip these people simply cannot accept. IMO these are the most common factors and where most bad trips stem from.
 
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Sounds like he started to spiral into the detachment with reality that's is often experienced with psychedelics but probably on a more intense scale, him 'freaking out' would of likely been his ego/sense of self struggling to stay in control.

From my experience, most people who are interested in psychedelics and are not put off by the effects the first few times will experience this at some stage or another as they begin to push there dose's higher and understand more of there subjective reality.

The problem with Mushrooms and having this happen (from my experience anyway) compared to other psychedelics such as LSD, is Mushrooms are harder to 'logically' interpret then LSD, and the emotions can swing back and fourth up and down without any sense of reason.

I personally cannot trip in social groups where there isn't a some main source of external stimulation aside from the people I'm with, as it brings upon paranoia and anxiety due to the conflict between the psychedelic drug trying to detach/deter me from my surroundings and my social obligation to maintain some form of 'sanity' by participating in conversation and trying to act 'normal'.
 
A friend of mine, on two occasions, tripped really hard off of shrooms and stopped talking for the duration of the experience. The first time, she just sort of sat there or walked around with us. She chewed and broke her bracelets and my other friend's sunglasses. When she came down she told us that she thought that we weren't real.

The second time, she talked and wrote as she descended into this state. I gave her a sketchbook to get her mind off of whatever was making her uncomfortable (she was very obviously uncomfortable. It wasn't the best setting because there was a sober person there who she didn't like). She wrote things about waking up and how things aren't supposed to be this way and to never do shrooms again. Within an hour and a half of dosing she was gone again, silent and mostly unresponsive (she would nod sometimes). She was not wild like your friend. I tried many times to talk her down using logic (you can stop this, you're still in control, etc) but in retrospect that was stupid. Later in the experience she wet herself. She was completely gone from reality. Both times the doses were about 2.5 grams (I took 4 grams of the same batch both times and they weren't particularly strong shrooms).

If I ever encounter this sort of thing again, I'm going to try to use a spectacle do distract the person who is having a hard trip. Logic doesn't work. You need to do something unexpected to catch their attention, something like "When I was travelling around the Western US this old hippie taught me a dance/massage/mantra that can bring people back to lucidity/cure thought loops/whatever". This sort of thing seems to work a lot more than logic does.
 
If I ever encounter this sort of thing again, I'm going to try to use a spectacle do distract the person who is having a hard trip. Logic doesn't work. You need to do something unexpected to catch their attention, something like "When I was travelling around the Western US this old hippie taught me a dance/massage/mantra that can bring people back to lucidity/cure thought loops/whatever". This sort of thing seems to work a lot more than logic does.

not a bad idea if the person flipping out is an idiot.
 
not a bad idea if the person flipping out is an idiot.

Well now that's a bit strong. People get locked into similar mental processes and trying to reason with them within that frame of reference is less effective than doing something shocking/unexpected in order to change their frame of reference.

If psychology works on someone, they're not an idiot, they're human.
 
On some of the 2C's, I've experienced such heavy body load that it overwhelmed the trip and I couldn't enjoy it at all. On other occasions, psychedelics got me thinking about subjects that I typically avoid because I find them frightening or disconcerting. I wasn't always prepared to face those issues, but once you're tripping you had better go with the flow where ever that may take you.
 
Lsd bad trip Question

I had a question last weekend I finally had the guts to try lsd and i picked up about 5 to 7 hits of liquid acid for 20$ my friend who also gave me my first ecastasy pill was feeling happy and gave me the rest of his vial which was about a 1/5 th left. i ended up taking about 2 drops and started to trip for about a hour and a half. from there i re dosed another 1 or 2 trying to get a great expierience. About 15 minutes later i realize im trippin to hard to listen to music and play games with my friend so i go and lay down. Now after this i dont remember much. I thought i had died and i was now in hell for a number of hours. i had weird thought about how i got to hell and why i was there. then i remember seeing someone there that wasnt my friend and he said well were both in hell lets get to know eachother. I also remember looking at my ceiling and seeing a pyramid and a alien. and for some reason i kept repeating the word alien in my head every 5 minutes.? this sounds like a really weird story but this is exactly what i remember. i was stuck like this until the end of my trip. My bestfriend was there luckly but in my eyes he was also the devil. this may be a bit hard to understand but im trying to figure out what happen. im starting to think i fell asleep on it.

it honestly felt like a dmt trip with all the colors and weird things i saw and i remember seeing alot of cross' 666' and pictures of like obama bush and pyramids.......

a weird expierience for sure..


on a second not i filled up the rest of the vial with water two day ago and tripped and had a decent trip. i had lots of anxiety for the first two hours but other then that i had a fun time.
 
you had an intense trip - i often get like that during peak time - so altered that you really can't do anything but stop and think,.
its so easy to get confused on acid - thoughts can creep in and make you feel bad without you having perspective to just step away from them..
 
I think people more or less make bad trips themselfs becose of certain ways they think.I never had any bad trip and never will have any bad trip.
 
the peak of an LSD experience can be astoundingly dissociating...

your experience sounds pretty terrifying. In my experiences the best way to prevent trips from going downhill is telling someone (or saying outloud if you're alone) any negative thoughts you're having. if you dont have some communication(or realizing the irrationality of some crazy thoughts) negative thought loops can turn a great trip disastrous in no time at all.
 
Well it sounds like you had an experience of a level of intensity you weren't expecting. Since your coping abilities can't match it stuff happens around you that is out of your control. When negative associations are made - I definitely have experienced the devil projection - then it can really feel like you are lost in a fairytale gone haywire. Calling this a bad trip would reflect more on the fact that you apparently don't have much experience with deeper drips plus the fact that you were not expecting one to happen at that time.
Which means you have caused yourself to be thrown into a situation you had not planned on and had no idea yet to resolve. This can be deeply frightening, disturbing and confusing...

But there's a reason why many users of psychedelics say after a number of trips that the meaning of "bad trip" changes. Because the term implies that you are you and the trip around you is bad, victimizing you. In years of experience I have talked to people about this and they say if you start learning what set & setting really mean then you can start understanding the conditions that lead to a mental conflict that gets blown out of proportion.
You can't expect to be able to control the deep corners in your mind right away so have to creep into it in the tempo your self-reflection, self-analysis, self-awareness and self-realization become awakened. We are the deus ex machina that gradually start realizing the importance of taking responsibility for consciousness.

To come back to your story, try to see it as having a very intelligent mind that is cultivated to work behind the curtains. LSD and other psychedelics open the drapes (the doors of perception) showing us what is really going on in there and what these processes produce. But with great power comes great responsibility lol! Your mind is an incredible thing that takes a lot to control consciously!! Which is why there is conditioning, making us behave like we have programs installed to do the hard work for us so that we only have to concern ourselves with the utmost endresult, the top layer interface we call reality. But, is it real or is it a mockup version of the actuality? If you look at it like this, probably more we experience is an illusion caused by ego-instructed conditioning than not. It's a healthy protection mechanism so that we can survive and adapt but that is a long way from doing what you truly and deeply intend.

LSD can decondition you, giving the power back in to your own hands. You are detecting much more information to be interpreted and if you have not developed a way to deal with this yet you will become extremely susceptible like an infant. Agreed? So you will need to learn a whole new way of living, now growing up using conditioning as handlebars so that you can process it unconsciously, no now you will have to really truly work things out for yourself. If it is forced upon you and terribly fast, yes no wonder one might call it a bad trip. But looking at the big picture it is a learning opportunity to step aside and take matters into your own hands!
The so-dubbed awakening of consciousness or awakening of intelligence is basically a life's work for billions of souls across the globe. But there are of course those that picked up the scent of enlightenment and become enthousiasts maybe even devoted to the deus within! =D

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Solopsis i see what you mean. I did take the drug again on a small dosage of at tops 2 hits and it was still incredible. im only 16 and i did do this at my parents house so i do remember freaking out like what if they walk in. But i did have some mental fortitiude i kept reminding myself that all im doing is sitting in a room tripping. theres no reason to get all worked up. but sadly that didnt work after i redosed :p.
Thanks for sharing your information with me. :]
 
Solopsis i see what you mean. I did take the drug again on a small dosage of at tops 2 hits and it was still incredible. im only 16 and i did do this at my parents house so i do remember freaking out like what if they walk in. But i did have some mental fortitiude i kept reminding myself that all im doing is sitting in a room tripping. theres no reason to get all worked up. but sadly that didnt work after i redosed :p.
Thanks for sharing your information with me. :]

This is why you should be careful with setting.
 
Bad trips are what you make of them; They don't HAVE to be bad.

Of course on different substances they will or will not be harder to sustain control.
 
I dropped 100+mg of 2C-i on Friday night, and I'm still not sure if I had a good trip or a bad trip. I felt like I was ready to die, but I still wouldn't consider the trip a bad one.

boK you are right in a way, overall it was very sketchy but there were good points. The whole thing ended pretty well, so sometimes things could be alot worse than they are.
 
Ok for anyone who wants to tell me taking Benzos while you are in the midst of a Bad Trip is the "wrong thing to do", listen to what my bad trips are like.

I consider myself fairly self educated on drugs. I have done my own hundreds of hours reading Erowid and other such things... I am also a highly creative person, extremely musically gifted with a huge imagination. I also have a somewhat anxious and serious personality at times.

My bad trips are worse than I could ever have imagined, and from what I read of other peoples trips they seem to be pretty hardcore.

First time I had a bad trip was on acid. I didnt know the dose I had taken was extremely strong, as the person I bought it from was dodgy. At first the hallucinations just came on extremely strong. I was in a very good and stable mood with friends at a hometown rave. I dealt with the hallucinations positively and calmly, and they continued to flourish evermore as time rolled by.
Eventually it became so that every single thing in my vision, every blade of grass, every branch on every tree, was moving and morphing into something else. The leaves on trees became millions and millions of balooning little faces, each different (believe that if you can) each with varying expressions that were rapidly changing. The bricks on a wall were all changing into different colours and shapes and bouncing in and out rapidly. The sky was multicoloured. The ground divided up into infinate patterns; I saw brown crocodiles wallowing through a grid which was the muddy ground beneath my feet.
All this while I remained calm and somewhat amazed and delighted.
It was on the dancefloor porbably half an hour later than things got wierd. It had started raining and I was unaware. People were telling me, "come under the shelter youre soaking wet!!" to which id say, "oh, is it raining?"
I had completely lost my mind and had utterly no idea that i was on a drug. I kept wondering where I was... what was I supposed to be doing? Was I here to dance? The rain kept falling and I had no idea.. id shut my eyes for half a second and my mind would race and id be lost in some sort of other dimention for hours and hours.. then id open my eyes and see my arms and legs and masses of multicoloured people in a wiggling, shape shifting world.. I was utterly confused. I didnt know who I was. I couldnt remember my own name. I didnt know if my body was breathing. I didnt know anything about anything. All information I had ever aquired throughout my life was fallen down around me, nothing connected. I didnt know how to breath. I could see that my body was disjointed into different globlets of goo. My friends turned into demons and witches and all the land was crying and screaming. Nothing would stop MOVING. My mind had disolved into infinate realities and possibilities.

Meanwhile, in the "real" world.. my friends had carried me and put me into a car because they were all severely worried about me after i couldnt even manage to walk or drink water. I lay there squirming in the front seat in utter agony for about 2 hours. Nothing can explain the agony and terror and fear.. it was beyond anything.. I ended up saying "I just want to die.. I have been in this trip for thousands of years.. I want to die."

No-one had any valium to give me.

Anyway... the next day, when I FINALLY came down, my brain felt like it had been coated in cotton wool.. fried.. I sat around for half the day with absolutely NO THOUGHTS running through my mind.. i was a zombie. I could not string sentences together. It took me months and months before I was able to get back my oppinions on things. My short term memory was utterly FUCKED and I constanty had an "empty brain" where id literally sit there thinking of NOTHING.
I felt like i had no soul and couldnt remember what it was like before my bad trip.


Its almost two years now and I am pretty much back to normal.
But dont fucking tell me I needed to "deal with my inner issues." Fucking hell. I needed valium!! Anything but that utter insanity and terror. If my friends hadnt been there i would have killed my physical body to free myself from the torment.
 
I was tripping wid Tatty Bojangles on friday and actually thought she handled 100mg 2c-i trip quite well considering she was onit 4 her 1st time.

i would say this one of the most peculiar synthetic drugs ever synthesized. have heard many storied (negative n postive) about the 2c family

bring on the 2c-e heheeheh..........
 
I've never understood how some visuals can be disturbing. The example taken here (demons) is not something that would frighten me while tripping, I know it's the drug doing this to me. Although some realizations can be hard to accept and seem scary at the time, I really don't get how a visual can scare someone into having a bad trip..

Explanation is very much appreciated.

Some of the more obscure psychs at way high doses can produce delirient type effects that can be scary as shit. Ive never had any experience with it but I know people who have and they say there is nothing more terrifying than seeing true to life types of illusions, forgetting your on something and felling trapped all at the same time.
 
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