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The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

Do you get nauseous from AMT?

  • Yes, quite a bit / unusually so

    Votes: 37 25.0%

  • Yes, but only a little

    Votes: 55 37.2%

  • No

    Votes: 48 32.4%

  • Sometimes / Completely depends on whether it is salt or freebase

    Votes: 8 5.4%
  • Total voters
    148
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^ Thanks for sharing. My tip would be - if you unintentionally take a high dose of something, stay inside.... LOL!!
 
ebola? said:
This is not true--AMT is a well-balanced monoamine releaser.

ebola
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I seem to remember at one point seeing IC50 values that said otherwise, but upon a second look I can't seem to find anywhere that has these values or information about the ratios of release between all monoamines.

Wiki claims that it is a balanced releaser but I don't have access to the source it links to sadly.

I'm assuming I must have made a mistake, but it'd be awesome if someone who has access to the source in question could share the article. (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17223101) I'd love to see the specifics :)
 
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There's a link to the full text on the top right ;)
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[td]Dopamine[/td]
[td]Serotonin[/td]
[td]Norepinephrine[/td]
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[td]180 ± 42 × nM[/td]
[td]68 ± 21 nM[/td]
[td]79 ± nM[/td]
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Is there many reports around about the "branded" AMT?, it comes in very similar packaging to the branded(and dumbly named) "Benzo Fury". Thinking of splitting a pill with my friend some time but it sounds like a heavy commitment...
 
Someweirdsin said:
Is there many reports around about the "branded" AMT?, it comes in very similar packaging to the branded(and dumbly named) "Benzo Fury". Thinking of splitting a pill with my friend some time but it sounds like a heavy commitment...
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I've seen them, I think they contain 30mg of aMT in them but I've never taken them so I don't know for sure. If that is the case you probably won't feel half a pill and you definately won't trip.
 
Does anybody know how to freebase amt salts? I have tried searching the forums, and google for the past few days, and I know someone else will use a search term that reveals answer immediately, but I spent a couple of days on this already and really cant be wasting anymore time...
 
Sup guys!
Anyone got advice on allergy testing aMT? I'm kinda new to testing RCs...
And also would it be safe to take some Etizolam at the tail end of an aMT trip?
Thanks!
 
^ Put a tiny amount on your finger-tip & taste... If you're allergic, you'll know about it pretty quickly.

Small amount of etiz on most RC come-downs are de rigueur .
 
Morkin said:
^ Put a tiny amount on your finger-tip & taste... If you're allergic, you'll know about it pretty quickly.

Small amount of etiz on most RC come-downs are de rigueur .
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Cheers! I guess i was just worried about testing too much and tripping or something, not ideal.
Also, if I'm going to be mainly experiencing this chemical around the 20-40mg doses, will it have a large effect on my serotonin availability and stuff?
One of the main reasons I ended up purchasing this chem is because I'm on a break from mdma to try and lower my tolerance, and wanted to try some other things, I'd be bummed if it meant all my work lowering my tolerance went out the window! :(

And how should one space out trips on low (20-40) amounts of aMT? Few days / week / weeks / month?

any advice would be awesome :)
 
AMT is probably not a good replacement if you're looking to chill out on the MD! There is quite a bit of overlap in terms of how they work and it releases a lot of serotonin. Have read somewhere that it releases more, but over a longer period of time. Not sure if this also applies to low dose AMT (anti-depressant/ mood-lift range), but certainly in the psychedelic range I would think (30-40mg+)
 
johannes kreisler said:
you will feel 15mg of amt...add some cannabinoids and/or a social setting and 15mg can already be quite nice.
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I've tried 10mg where I felt nothing and 20mg which were thresholdy. 30mg for a nice mild trip, definately a worthwhile dose. 45mg was pretty intense but with a horrible headachey comedown that makes me think that 45mg is probably a good limit.
 
No certainty can be given on this. There's simply no authority to appeal to. Nothing truthworthy you can compare to (not to mention that you might not even have AMT, or it might be cut, etc.).

I understand that AMT has some effect on serotonin - but not as much as MDMA. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will weigh in.

Space experiences as far apart as you can to be sure.

Again: there's no official word on any of this from anyone. You just have to see what works for you. Caution & control are key. That said - 20-40 are small doses - IMO!



sh1va said:
Cheers! I guess i was just worried about testing too much and tripping or something, not ideal.
Also, if I'm going to be mainly experiencing this chemical around the 20-40mg doses, will it have a large effect on my serotonin availability and stuff?
One of the main reasons I ended up purchasing this chem is because I'm on a break from mdma to try and lower my tolerance, and wanted to try some other things, I'd be bummed if it meant all my work lowering my tolerance went out the window! :(

And how should one space out trips on low (20-40) amounts of aMT? Few days / week / weeks / month?

any advice would be awesome :)
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I understand that AMT has some effect on serotonin - but not as much as MDMA. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable will weigh in.
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aMT has much higher affinity and efficacy at SERT than MDMA, suggesting that it affects serotonin more strongly (indeed, it might be the strongest serotonin releaser yet known). However, typical dosages of aMT are quite a bit lower than those of MDMA, probably allowing 5ht release over a longer period than can be sustained with medium to large doses of MDMA.

I would give aMT the same precaution that I would other tri-monoamine releasers.

ebola
 
How long do you guys suggest to wait between sessions taking aMT?
I dropped 10mg as a tester and smoked a bowl last night, my mind went off on some insane tangents and although I didn't 'trip', my mind was definitely in a place it is not used to being, and I was constantly having these profound but ridiculous thoughts..
I was wondering how long I should wait before taking it again, I'll probably trial it at 20mg next time.
Thanks!
 
Two days ago i swallowed ~4mg amt. I was quite suprised about the effects i got. I was on a very easy and light trip with almost no side effects. This seems to work good for me at very low doses. I dont have the urge to dose higher. I imagine this must be great for going on a hike or for a day-trip to a foreign city.
About two years ago i plugged 25mgs, which fucked me up quite a bit. Tremors, extreme restlessness and no sleep (althoug i dosed at 2pm and took 0.5mg clonazepam in the evening. I also felt very sick at the come-up, which lasted about two hours.

In general im very sensitive to psychedelics, but with amt it seems to be extreme.

I assume amt degrades quickliy in water, but what about ethanol? How long do you think one could store a solution of amt in 90% ethanol?
 
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4mg!? Hmmm you sure you don't have 5-meo-amt instead or something, that seems insanley low.
 
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