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The Big & Dandy AMT / αMT Thread - 4th Rush

Do you get nauseous from AMT?

  • Yes, quite a bit / unusually so

    Votes: 37 25.0%

  • Yes, but only a little

    Votes: 55 37.2%

  • No

    Votes: 48 32.4%

  • Sometimes / Completely depends on whether it is salt or freebase

    Votes: 8 5.4%
  • Total voters
    148
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Doperide said:
Got some AMT from the vendor, that has been around quite a long time. It`s white, very fine powder that sticks to the bag. It has virtually no smell.
The problem is, it`s not active. Tried vaporizing 20 mg, it vaporizes well and gives a lot of smoke. The smoke isn`t harsh at all and has a distinct but not unpleasant taste.
I got 3-4 lungfuls of smoke from this 20mg. Waited for half an hour and vaporized 10mg. Then ingested 30 mg. Problem is I didn`t feel a thing.

At first i thought that the problem is seroquel, i have been taking it for sleep for two years daily. That being said, all other drugs have worked well for me thus far.

Then two of my friends had same doses, total of 60 mg and they didn`t feel a thing too. One had little pupil dilation, but no effects felt.

Have tried it multple times without success
Does it sound like something else, MPA maybe?

I waited so long for this and i`m utterly dissapointed now.
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Seroquel would block the effects of aMT... but then again if other, similar drugs are working for you, then it might not be aMT. In fact, the fact that you said it has no smell is a big red flag - aMT is notoriously strong/disgusting smelling.
 
I am on a low dose, 200mg a day and even quite small doses of LSD work well, I feel 50 mics nicely and start getting proper visuals from 100.

And friends who don`t take seroquel didn`t trip too.

AMT is written on a bag with a pen, it can easily be something else, simple human error.

*no ID questions allowed, read the rules*
 
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Sorry, no ID questions. Direct ID answer posts will be unapproved. Follow Morkin's advice.

While we should not go into what it could be - for the reason I just gave - I will point out a few things though that are not directly related to the possible identities of your powder.
- Not all AMT smells bad out of the bag, in salt form it tends to have limited odor and rather floral than manure-like. The freebase is relatively bad though. But vaporizing AMT is said to produce a putrid taste even if you have it in salt form.
- While taking seroquel could stop a lot of things from working I think it is expected to just put a damper on AMT, judging from other people's combo with MDMA.
- If friends got nothing either, it is probably best that you throw it away. Unidentified drugs means unknown risks :\

If it is true that you only take seroquel for sleep (which is a bit heavy indeed), you could try discontinuing it for 2 days before trying something AMT-like. If you have reason to want to avoid any medication discontinuation I think you should also categorically avoid drugs like AMT.
I think you should stop smoking mystery powders as soon as possible if you keep getting inactivity. And yes, better yet just hold off until you can reagent test it.
 
Does anyone know the vaporization temp for aMT succinate? I want to try to vaporize the salt, but I would like to know if it's worthwhile, or if I should just convert to freebase.
 
I got one pill for free from a friend, its 35mg AMT now i have no intend taking this just yet. just what's there to expect?from 35mg? visual?mindfuck?
 
testocyp said:
I got one pill for free from a friend, its 35mg AMT now i have no intend taking this just yet. just what's there to expect?from 35mg? visual?mindfuck?
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Take a gander at what some other folks thought:
 
D-Bridge is coming to Lisbon this weekend so I think it's gonna be a perfect setting for my first trip. I have tried 5mgs with no bad effects so I think i'll take the plunge and go for 50mgs right away.

I'm experienced with MD, coke, various stimmy RC's, hash/weed.

I stopped smoking cannabis because it makes my thought patterns very loopy and paranoid. I realize this is probably caused by my anxious personality, and for this reason I've steered clear of Acid fearing it push the "bad trips" I have on weed to a whole new level.
However coming across aMT and reading heaps about it, I'm curious to try this as the serotonin-induced euphoria will probably not let the paranoia happen. However i had 0 contact with tryptamines so this is really uninformed speculation.
Alright onto the questions:

1- Anyone out there who feels the same way about weed as me and has no problems tripping? Or failing that, has a decent knowledge of psichology to somehow correlate the effects of both substances.

2. I know taking it on an empty stomach makes the comeup faster and easier but does it enhance the effects? I really dont like the idea of skipping meals so I'm thinking of eating at 8-9 pm and dosing at about 00:00.

Fuck that turned out to be a really long post. Sorry
 
If you have anxiety issues, I'd go slower and try a low dose first (especially in this kind of setting). You can always take a bit more next time.
 
Thanks for your advice but, and I don't want to sound like a prick, I was kinda hoping for an answer to my questions, not the generic harm reduction response. I don't have anxiety fits or anything like that, I'm just a generally anxious person, in the non-clinical way.
 
shit. my along answer got lost...dammit :( [plz add an autosave-function bl-staff!...]

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anyway: generic question or not: if you want to avoid unpleasant surprises you should follow that advice. an unpleasant surprise with (50mg oral) aMT can mean: 3 hours anxious comeup with diarrhea and stomach cramps - while puking. followed by a powerful yet dreamy +++.
I like aMT and I wouldn't do what you are planning. :)

aMT is 'advanced material' in my book. it usually delivers a bunch of psychosomatic effects, that need to be dealt with.
also for me cannabis is absolutely imperative with aMT. as in: if I take it and plan to not consume cannabis (nothing at hand) you'll see me strolling around @ the 3h mark hunting for some herb.

maybe aMT is a smooth ride for you. no one knows. but it is common knowledge that aMT has a tendency to produce serious side-effects. for me this is one reason why I hold it in high regard as a 'therapeutic' substance, for others those side-effects may seem intolerable and torturing.
aMT is a serious psychedelic (albeit with a serotonergic touch) and demands to be treated as such. it's on your side to decide if you take the risk.

did you consider vaping it? if I were you I'd vape it in 10-15mg increments as needed. much better suited for your setting.

whatever you decide for, I suggest you preload with strong ginger tea, magnesium and also loperamide.


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missed lx club when I was in lisbon. 8)
if you consume aMT you'll have a very long night. make sure to climb a miradouro at/after sunrise! ;)
have fun!
 
To be honest, you did come off a bit like a prick, in view that Bagseed's advice was perfectly sound and politely given.

On to your questions:

* If you have anxiety issues (no matter how mild you think they are), I suggest that you take 30mg for your first aMT experience. That's already a decent dose for many people. I hope that this advice is not too generic.

* An interval of three to four hours between your "last meal" and ingestion of a psychedelic is fine, but I prefer to wait four to five hours. Either way, the effects are not necessarily enhanced. Rather, the chronology of effects tends to become clearer and you will likely experience less nausea.
 
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Thanks for the more detailed responses. I really didn't want to come across as a dick but that kind of advice is all over the place, It's kinda like your mother telling you to behave well when you go out.

You suggest vaping but most reports I've seen describe it as "dirty stimulating", which I immediately associated with bad speed. Am I far off?

Also yeah, now I'm wondering if i should go for 30 mg instead, the reason I wanted to do 50mg is because I've done 110mg 5/6-apb last week, and most people report this as a crazy good high and while it was good, it wasn't pushy which is something i enjoy in drugs.

I do drugs maybe 7-8 times a year so I like to get proper fucked when i do them. I am not worried about bodyload, I can make peace with physical stuff very easily, it's the headspace I'm concerned about.

PS; Johannes, dont know if you're talking about the club called Lux or lx faktory( where dbridge will play), but if it's the former yeah check it out when you come next time, the latter is just a cheap place promoters can hold parties at. Does have an appeal during the day since it's a whole old factory remodeled to fit stores, galleries and cafes.
 
5-APB and 6-APB are not true psychedelics, whereas aMT is. In other words, if you are somewhat prone to be anxious, aMT is more likely (or less unlikely, depending on how you look at it) to put you in a bad spot than the other two, especially if the set and/or setting go/goes wrong. That's why I suggested that you first try 30mg. It's your call, but be aware that one experienced person might be just fine with 30mg, whereas another equally experienced person might need 50mg to get qualitatively "identical" effects, even if both subjects weight the same, have the same height, have the same setting, and have a similar set. In sum, aMT is fairly variable and that is why you should proceed with some caution. BTW, 110mg of 5-APB or 6-APB is usually considered a relatively moderate dose, not a high one.
 
I took AMT in 2003 and liked it, so last month I bought a gram, which turned out to be a mistake because I flushed the remainder down the toilet after the second trip. It was the HCl salt. For the first trip, I took 30 mg followed by 50 mg 4 hours later; for the second trip, I took 50 mg. It felt like really dirty, long-lasting acid with no euphoria and only mild eye dilation. Music was not enhanced; however, I couldn't really see straight. If I had to use one word to describe the trip, it would be 'uncomfortable.' Haldol (haloperidol) and Restoril (temazepam) saved my ass. Yuck. Never again.
 
lamanogaucha said:
5-APB and 6-APB are not true psychedelics, whereas aMT is. In other words, if you are somewhat prone to be anxious, aMT is more likely (or less unlikely, depending on how you look at it) to put you in a bad spot than the other two, especially if the set and/or setting go/goes wrong. That's why I suggested that you first try 30mg. It's your call, but be aware that one experienced person might be just fine with 30mg, whereas another equally experienced person might need 50mg to get qualitatively "identical" effects, even if both subjects weight the same, have the same height, have the same setting, and have a similar set. In sum, aMT is fairly variable and that is why you should proceed with some caution. BTW, 110mg of 5-APB or 6-APB is usually considered a relatively moderate dose, not a high one.
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Reading through virtually every post in this forum and a couple of others, i was under the impression that the 20-40mg dose range gives only unwanted effects and not the positives? Maybe I got this all wrong?
 
I would not say so. I tried it at 30mg for the first time and I think it was relatively mild, but not only negative by any means, I think the negative parts were proportionally less bad by dose as were good, more or less as I would except. For me the worst part about amt, is the headache when I'm coming down the lasts the whole of the next day and even sometimes the day after. The nauseous was still there but milder, but I get nauseous from pretty much everything so that's not suprising. I think 30mg was quite good for how I used it, a day walking around a city I didn't know with two significantly higher people. A nice museum dose, and the museum we visited was very nice. I would I was slightly less high than I wanted to be, but not dissapointingly so, I might have gone for 35-38mg or so had I known. The highest I've gone is 50mg and I wouldn't want to go beyond that, the headaches become unbearable and do worry me more than any teusday suicide blues from MDMA. That being said I know someone who claims that they need 50mg for threshold effects (same batch). He's the sort of person who likes to exaggerate a bit but he was about the same level at 65mg as I was at 45mg.

I think 30mg is a good place to start, always better to have an underwhelming experience than an overwhelming one methinks.
 
Whatever you decide to do, Jackpothead, be aware that since you are on 100mg of sertraline daily, you should not take aMT at all. Sertraline (a.k.a. Zoloft) is an SSRI and such drugs don't interact well with aMT (or other psychedelics, for that matter). You should read the "dangerous combinations" sticky at the top of this forum! I can't believe that you said on post #491 that your problem is "non-clinical" when in fact you are on an anti-depressant!
 
Yeah I stopped taking it 3 weeks ago, I've come to realize the reason for my anxiety issues is the lack of self-fulfilment and acomplishment for the past 5 years.
I say that because although I was always a fidgety and impatient person, I was always happy and comfortable in my pre-teen life, that changed with my teen years as I gradually descended to an everyday life of doing nothing except playing video-games and lying to everyone about it.

I am now leading a more productive and social life and I feel I'm gradually going back to my normal self. And i reckon i don't need a chemical to do that so fuck med therapy. I'm gonna improve myself on my own terms and with my own will. That will probably make me feel genuinly happier than any chem could ever do. Atleast so i hope :).

Anyway cheers for the advice everyone, I think I'll still take the plunge to 50mg. If it's just WAY too much for me to handle (which i dont think it will be, but what do I know xD) I'll just kill it with a benzo.

Thanks Iamanogaucha for the genuine concern and advice!
 
you cannot kill a psychedelic trip with a benzo, you can only turn it down somewhat.
i'd still reccomend a lower dose, especially if you're not experienced with psychedelics. some people are quite sensible to them, even if they need normal doses with other drugs.

and good luck with you anxiety issues, your plan/thoughts sound sensible.
 
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