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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy Allylescaline Thread

allylescaline is pretty underwhelming. it did combine nicely with LSA, although much vomiting ensued
 
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Bigkris, talking about your cat or foaf or swim or whatever, all of that is not allowed on Bluelight. So please stop that, thanks and welcome :)

Combinations will of course have to be tested before we know what it is like, there are always risks some of which unknown. So experimenting remains a HR hypocricy unfortunately.
Just take the hint that you start very slowly with everything. Starting to think about combo's before even having tried something by itself is foolish. First learn to know the drug and its safety margins better.
 
I tried it a few days ago. I took 10mg AL at 6H30 PM, a booster at 8H30 PM , another at 9h30PM, and another at 10PM. Boosters were a little bit less than 10mg. At 10H30PM, I took around 12-15mg 4-Aco-DMT.

While I find 4-Aco-DMT on itself sedating, and have a tendency to blackout on it on larger doses (35mg), I found the combo very stimulating. Usually I like to trip alone in my house, but on this combo, I needed to move. So, I went outside for a walk, with my earphones, and some morning psytrance in it. There are big electric lines near my house (735kV). I watched the wires and it was like a giganstic moving net over me. The poles had crazy dancing colors. Also, the stars were like blue, and a lot brighter than usual. The houses, with X-Mas lights, were like a big cartoon.
It was the first time I had crazy open eyes visuals like this.

But, the comedown was rough, I was able to sleep at 5PM, which is nearly a day after my first AL dose. It felt similar to a speed+E comedown, with being tired, but unable to sleep. Unfortunately, I didn't got any ketamine with me, it would have helped with the comedown, and probably bring back some crazy OEV, like I experienced before in LSD+E+K or E+K combos.
 
As I said much earlier in the thread, snorting allylescaline is awesome and the combo with 4-aco-dmt 4 hours in is the shit.
 
bloodshed344 said:
As I said much earlier in the thread, snorting allylescaline is awesome and the combo with 4-aco-dmt 4 hours in is the shit.
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I tried the allylescaline/4-aco-dmt combo, but orally. Heavy trip, with massive open eyes visuals. But the comedown was long and hard. Impossible to sleep for 24h.

Was the comedown easier with snorted drugs?
 
I snorted near the tail end of the trip to keep it going longer, my initial dose was oral.

Unlike you I couldn't get out of my bed for the whole trip and sleeping was no problem. I didn't notice any comedown.
 
Okay, the consensus seems to be that about 40mg is the right dose to take of this chem. That's not the right dose. You should take more than that, unless you just want placebo effects. I took about 110mg last night and allylescaline is definitely a full-blown psychedelic, and a nice one too. Be warned though, it's very nauseating at that dose. It made me throw up.

Take at least 100mg, this thread is like a thread about LSD where people dismiss LSD because they only took 40ug.
 
Is that like saying caffeine isn't very stimulating becuase people are only having 100mg though?

Dosing is generally a balancing act attempting to ensure that the optimum ratio of positive:negative effects is reached, and even from your enthusiastic report it sounds like you've overshot the "sweet spot"?

It seems to me like allylescaline is just a low intensity drug at its sweet spot. Nothing wrong with that.
 
Transform said:
Is that like saying caffeine isn't very stimulating becuase people are only having 100mg though?

Dosing is generally a balancing act attempting to ensure that the optimum ratio of positive:negative effects is reached, and even from your enthusiastic report it sounds like you've overshot the "sweet spot"?

It seems to me like allylescaline is just a low intensity drug at its sweet spot. Nothing wrong with that.
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At the sweet spot it's pretty sweet. That's all I'll say.
 
marsmellow said:
[..] allylescaline is definitely a full-blown psychedelic, and a nice one too. Be warned though, it's very nauseating at that dose. It made me throw up.

Take at least 100mg, this thread is like a thread about LSD where people dismiss LSD because they only took 40ug.
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Please do write a trip report about this experience. I've put AL in longterm storage after few experiments. It was quite nice but not nice enough to keep me enchanted. So you're sure it's worth going beyond 100mg? I wouldn't have to see much more action than with, say, 70mg. I was under the strong impression AL's dose response curve isn't linear, and may be even described as logarhythmic.
 
I would say that a higher dose of allylescaline will result in more desired effects and more side effects, linearly.

Also a 100 mg dose would be sure to cause uncomfortable side effects in some people, while also being a comfortable average dose for others. This drug has a variable dose for different people, just like every other psychedelic. I normally have a very high tolerance to psychedelics but 40 mg allylescaline felt like a nice psychedelic/ecstasy-ish type trip, and not only that but made 4-ACO-DMT finally 'work' on me! I took 4-ACO-DMT some many hours into the trip, and I finally felt what that drug should feel like, in a sense.

Just a guess, but I bet that allylescaline would be a great combo with any non-stimulating tryptamine, like 4-ACO-DMT.
 
agnetha said:
Please do write a trip report about this experience. I've put AL in longterm storage after few experiments. It was quite nice but not nice enough to keep me enchanted. So you're sure it's worth going beyond 100mg?
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Well, I thought it was worth it. I'm not sure if others would agree though. For what it's worth, it was one of the better trips I've had, even with the side effects.

Umm, I'm not sure how people write those detailed trip reports. I have a really hard time just writing a full sentence with pen and paper when I'm tripping. And afterwards, it's hard for me to remember what was happening, like I woke from a dream. I can try to write one, from what I remember.

I weighed about 110mg (scale only measures hundredths of a gram, so I'm not sure exactly) and swallowed it around 10pm. Around 12, I began to feel shaky, anxious and overstimulated. I decided I would take some clonazepam and atenolol to try and control those irritating stimulant side effects. They probably didn't do much though, because within 10 minutes, I was overwhelmed by nausea and I ran outside and threw up.

That is the point where it really began to take effect. After I finished washing my mouth out, I started to feel very high and euphoric. I was fascinated by things in the room, especially our fish tanks and my phone. It seemed like that room/moment had a perfect mix of nature and technology, set up to make us happy. It was overwhelmingly beautiful, to see the fish just swimming in their tank on one hand, and this awesome invention on the other.

My brother wanted to watch a show on netflix, and I stressed that it had to be something positive, because I have serious problems with depression, and didn't want some dark or violent show upsetting me and ruining the trip. The show was fine, but it didn't work out too well, because my memory was a bit too messed up to keep track of the dialogue. But it was really funny to me because of how ridiculous the interactions between the people on the show were. We turned it off after about 10 minutes because it was confusing me too much, and decided to just listen to music and talk.


At this point I got really fixated on a bunch of psychological and philosophical ideas, and started thinking and talking about them with my brother. This went on for hours, because if a word came up, it was like there were infinite trains of thought that radiated out from that original idea, and I'd immediately start running down one of them as soon as I thought about it.

Around this time, I had some minor OEVs, there was a screen or grid of dim light that covered my vision for an hour or two, and occaisonally there were flashes of multicolored light. My hearing was altered for a while too, things sounded like they had some kind of delay filter on them.

Towards the beginning of the trip, my legs felt rubbery and my hands and feet were freezing cold. I personally wouldn't go too much higher than 100mg because of that. Also, it makes it very hard to sleep, even hours after it wears off. So, I wouldn't plan on doing much of anything the next day.
 
Anybody knows if the combo of AL with other drugs like MDMA, ketamine and LSD is safe? By safe, I mean no serotonic syndrom, and other major problems
 
trogere said:
Anybody knows if the combo of AL with other drugs like MDMA, ketamine and LSD is safe? By safe, I mean no serotonic syndrom, and other major problems
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I have combined it with some bumps of ketamine. No problems there, it was really a good mix actually :)

I'm guessing it would go fine with LSD too. I'd be more wary of combining it with MDMA, although I'm pretty sure that AL doesn't really cause any release or reuptake inhibition of serotonin. Chances of SS are pretty slim, I'd say. But who knows really? Thread carefully, it's uncharted territory.
 
I have experimented with AL a few times in the ranges of 30-90 mg, all in separate, spaced out by several weeks, occasions.

The sweet spot for me seems to be around 75mg, if I am not going to mix it with something. This seems intense enough to not feel like I want anything else.

However, around 30mg for me is still noticeable, and adds a nice background effect where one still feels very capable of conversing. At this dosage I have also (on separate occasions) mixed various 2c-x and 25x-nbome usually also including mxe without any obvious side effects.

Overall, I thought AL was going to be very underwhelming, but its quite nice, and have not really had any huge side effects besides feeling antsy when it begins.
 
marsmellow said:
Well, I thought it was worth it. I'm not sure if others would agree though. For what it's worth, it was one of the better trips I've had, even with the side effects.

Umm, I'm not sure how people write those detailed trip reports. I have a really hard time just writing a full sentence with pen and paper when I'm tripping. And afterwards, it's hard for me to remember what was happening, like I woke from a dream. I can try to write one, from what I remember.
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Nice report though, captures the essentials I think. Looks like it's been an awesome trip too.

Cheers!
 
I did put 21mg of AL in my nose around 15 minutes ago. Wow, this stuff burns a lot for a few minutes.
 
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