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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-MiPT Thread - Part 2

Am I entitled or allowed to do that here?
Probably, I just find the practice odd. It reminds me of the old days of The Hive when people who write "swim" for "someone who isn't me", but as any criminal law attorney will tell you, that was never a sufficient legal defense to anything. But it also made me think of that Seinfeld episode were Elaine is dating this guy Jimmy who only and always refers to himself in the third person. That shit's a classic :ROFLMAO:

Anyway, no need to get defensive. I'm not here to break anyone's balls, and I'm not a mod, so no worries, my guy.

As far as taking a benzo to end , does it matter if it's gaba b like phenibut or baclofen, or does it have to be gaba a like Xanax?
You'll get a somewhat similar effect from gaba B, but personally I have found that nothing alleviates anxiety better than a triazolo-benzodiazepine like Xanax or Halcion or a thienotriazolodiazepine like Etizolam or Metizolam.
 
Damn, after coming through this thread, this is like one of the most split drugs I’ve ever seen. Some people either love it or absolutely hate it. I’m thinking of getting some, but the consensus here is a little perplexing.
 
Damn, after coming through this thread, this is like one of the most split drugs I’ve ever seen. Some people either love it or absolutely hate it. I’m thinking of getting some, but the consensus here is a little perplexing.
Oscar Wilde said a couple of interesting things about success and critics. Firstly he said that "the critic's job is to educate the public; the artist's job is to educate the critic."

And then he also said – and I'm paraphrasing – that when something new comes out and half the critics love it while half the critics hate it, then we probably have something that breaks new ground.

Add to it – Moxy is renowned for being a bit of a fickle goddess. Some people get absolutely clobbered by 5-MeO-MiPT, then they take the same dose three weeks later and have a lovely time. It really is odd. Personally, I've had nothing but a good time on both it and it's sibling, "Foxy Methoxy" aka 5-MeO-DiPT. Your mileage may vary.
 
Damn, after coming through this thread, this is like one of the most split drugs I’ve ever seen. Some people either love it or absolutely hate it. I’m thinking of getting some, but the consensus here is a little perplexing.
Last year I posted here in the thread about my first experience with this substance, and it was extremely uncomfortable, so I was surprised by the responses in this thread (the overwhelming majority loving Moxy). After a few trips, I found out how to counter the negative effects with ondansetron the experience changed by a lot, and it became one of my top substances.
 
Last year I posted here in the thread about my first experience with this substance, and it was extremely uncomfortable, so I was surprised by the responses in this thread (the overwhelming majority loving Moxy). After a few trips, I found out how to counter the negative effects with ondansetron the experience changed by a lot, and it became one of my top substances.
Yeah Zofran is a 5-HTP3 receptor antagonist, which is the serotonin receptor that regulates nausea. If you have a sensitive stomach, that shit can work wonders. I know some ppl who pre-game that before dosing Mescaline for the same purpose. Know thyself. Generally though, yeah, Moxy is 🔥
 
Oscar Wilde said a couple of interesting things about success and critics. Firstly he said that "the critic's job is to educate the public; the artist's job is to educate the critic."

And then he also said – and I'm paraphrasing – that when something new comes out and half the critics love it while half the critics hate it, then we probably have something that breaks new ground.

Add to it – Moxy is renowned for being a bit of a fickle goddess. Some people get absolutely clobbered by 5-MeO-MiPT, then they take the same dose three weeks later and have a lovely time. It really is odd. Personally, I've had nothing but a good time on both it and it's sibling, "Foxy Methoxy" aka 5-MeO-DiPT. Your mileage may vary.
7-12mg seems to be the sweet spot, I've taken up to 25mg and that doses are plain dangerous and they feel "odd", I would say they are toxic to some extent, there's already some vague scientific reports about its cell toxicity (apoptosis inducing) so well...
I do love it but the higher dosages can lead inexperienced users into psychosis and terrible thought loops, dark stuff. Generally it's very sharp and luminous during the first 2 hours, then it can become "gloomy", but for me it's not gloomy, it's just... introspective, some people who cannot handle their issues become overwhelmed by that shift and start feeling doomed.
 
Yeah, that’s the first thing I noticed was the dose response curve. 2mg too much resulted in a bad experience, yet seems like when you find that sweet spot, it’s rather enjoyable. I actually decided not to get it now. I kind of regret it. Bought some miprocin instead which is one of my fave trypts. Saving money for either 2c-I or 2c-ef. Have yet to do the EF, but 2c-I used to be one of my favorite phens. What should I go for? Also have MDA, LSD, 3-meo-pce, cocaine, freebase, amphetamine, and extracting my dmt now. Did I overdo it?

Caught a third DUI the other week because someone hit my car. I got possession charges. So in a couple of weeks here I gotta start outpatient so I’m living it up.
 
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Unrelated, but kind of funny story. I got into an argument with my ex. I was mad, so naturally, I fixed a myself a drink then I got my oil burner. I thought I had some.Cathinone in it. Anyways, I take a massive hit and halfway through my exhale I start tripping balls. The room became a wavy. I couldn’t see shit, It was 25b-nboh. It’s quite a perplexing experience, when you don’t expect to be tripping within seconds. Fortunately, it was actually not that bad. But as soon as I exhaled, I was like oh fuck here we go. lol
 
Absolutely love miprocin, one of my favourite substances... It's the perfect psychedelic to give to someone who is more or less experienced with "light" psychedelic experiences and want to go deeper.
i barely have experience with the 2c- substances so I cannot tell you.
Yeah, that’s the first thing I noticed was the dose response curve. 2mg too much resulted in a bad experience, yet seems like when you find that sweet spot, it’s rather enjoyable. I actually decided not to get it now. I kind of regret it. Bought some miprocin instead which is one of my fave trypts. Saving money for either 2c-I or 2c-ef. Have yet to do the EF, but 2c-I used to be one of my favorite phens. What should I go for? Also have MDA, LSD, 3-meo-pce, cocaine, freebase, amphetamine, and extracting my dmt now. Did I overdo it?

Caught a third DUI the other week because someone hit my car. I got possession charges. So in a couple of weeks here I gotta start outpatient so I’m living it up.
 
Absolutely love miprocin, one of my favourite substances... It's the perfect psychedelic to give to someone who is more or less experienced with "light" psychedelic experiences and want to go deeper.
i barely have experience with the 2c- substances so I cannot tell you.
Yeah, 4-ho-met cool too but the come up is to abrupt and before you know it it’s over. Feel like miprocin is way smoother and more well-rounded.
 
Gonna do some MDA, lsd, 3-meo-pce, and dmt. I’ve done the combo before, and it was glorious, majestic, and awe inspiring. Well I might buy a small amount of Moxy even though the sale is over
 
Yeah, 4-ho-met cool too but the come up is to abrupt and before you know it it’s over. Feel like miprocin is way smoother and more well-rounded.
4-ho-met it's barely entheogenic, it's just visual, fun... it has some euphoria in the peak and you can laugh your ass off which is nice, specially in social settings, miprocin it's a real entheogen and you can get as deep as you can upping the dosages. I don't like 4-ho-met "neutral" headspace, at least in low-moderate dosages, the come up it's not nice either, nausea, but miprocin come up it's quite challenging in higher doses, because the visuals and creepy insectoid/snake-y undertones are quite explicit and all of a sudden.
 
4-ho-met it's barely entheogenic, it's just visual, fun... it has some euphoria in the peak and you can laugh your ass off which is nice, specially in social settings, miprocin it's a real entheogen and you can get as deep as you can upping the dosages. I don't like 4-ho-met "neutral" headspace, at least in low-moderate dosages, the come up it's not nice either, nausea, but miprocin come up it's quite challenging in higher doses, because the visuals and creepy insectoid/snake-y undertones are quite explicit and all of a sudden.
Yeah, for sure. The come up just is just too abrupt for me and once I start to enjoy it, the experience begins to fade away. Whereas miprocin is more of a full spectrum psychedelic and relatively easy to handle. I actually had one of my best visuals on it. I was looking out the window at the landscape. It was somewhat generic, a grassy knoll with a few trees spread out. There was a sort of color changing grid that overlaid everything and I saw all 4 seasons keep cycling in 5 second intervals. It was summer and the trees leaves appeared as fractals and then autumn came and the leaves changed colors, fell to the ground then it would start snowing and then spring came and the fractal leaves grew back. This kept on going for quite some time. Never got anything so captivating and beautiful as that from a standard trypt, not including DMT.
 
I had to do a STB DMT extraction when my mom, fell asleep. I’ve been up for a full night previously and it took me till like almost 5 AM to do everything. Cause I’m constantly having to sneak around and watch my back. Plus I don’t have the most adequate equipment to do this so super ghetto. But I’m looking at my first pull and there’s actually some precipitations and crystals forming haha. I mean it’s sort of hard to fuck up this extraction method. But I was forgetting like oh how much should I put in of this and that? I guess it worked out.


I wonder what would happen if you smoke DMT with the Moxy. Also, I decided to get.the 2c-I with a 50mg sample of 2c-ef, so win win. They’re both ridiculously expensive though.
 
Yeah, for sure. The come up just is just too abrupt for me and once I start to enjoy it, the experience begins to fade away. Whereas miprocin is more of a full spectrum psychedelic and relatively easy to handle.
So Shulgin proposed that there is a pharmacological significance to the asymmetrical substitutions made on the amine in drugs like 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MiPT. I'm not entirely certain how that works, but it's kind of interesting and I wonder if he was onto something since after all, besides him being a brilliant at biochemistry, that also checks out in my book, save for the fact that I'm a HUGE fan of DMT and that has symmetry on its nitrogen/amine (NH₃).

Smoking DMT with Moxy should result in synergy, although I have the best results when I smoke DMT while tripping LSD. Holy shit, that puts me into deep hyperspace. I'm pretty sure I've smoked DMT near the end of a Moxy experience; it's just unlikely that I haven't since I've used both drugs frequently during spells over the years. But otherwise, Moxy pairs nicely with MDx-class drugs, GHB (but with some diminished Moxy activity), cannabis if you smoke regularly, and bumps of K or a similar dissociative. LSD goes well with it, but I generally avoid mixing a phenethylamine (like Mescaline or 2C-B) with a tryptamine like Moxy, Colour, or Shrooms. It brings about too much anxiety in me without enough payoff to make it worth it like LSD does.

You're gonna love 2C-I; it's so highly visual and beautiful. I've read nothing but good things about 2C-EF, too, so you're probably in for a real treat despite the high price tags…Meanwhile you're ducking and dodging mamadukes? That's touuuuugh, my G. You ever think about pulling a move whereby you do your extractions right under her nose and feed her a long story about how you're using it as a natural dye (and of course you'll need to dye a few things with this, maybe take up tie-dye t-shirt making as a hobby (I hear it's fun)). Another options would be to get into soap and/or candle making, which is another reason for having these things.

And having a sep funnel is nice, but unneeded. Outside of that, extracting DMT doesn't require any special organic chemistry lab equipment. I guess it just depends on what's at stake, how mad your mom would be if she discovered the truth, and whether you think she'd believe the subterfuge if you attempted it. My theory on parents is "they're like mushrooms – feed them shit and keep them in the dark. You ladies have a nice day" (a reference to Scorcese's The Departed).
 
I had to do a STB DMT extraction when my mom, fell asleep. I’ve been up for a full night previously and it took me till like almost 5 AM to do everything. Cause I’m constantly having to sneak around and watch my back. Plus I don’t have the most adequate equipment to do this so super ghetto. But I’m looking at my first pull and there’s actually some precipitations and crystals forming haha. I mean it’s sort of hard to fuck up this extraction method. But I was forgetting like oh how much should I put in of this and that? I guess it worked out.


I wonder what would happen if you smoke DMT with the Moxy. Also, I decided to get.the 2c-I with a 50mg sample of 2c-ef, so win win. They’re both ridiculously expensive though.
I don't see the point of mixing 2 strong tryptamines, one of them in the top 3 of potent tryptamines and drugs... unless you are very experienced with both and you want to discover/add something new to your experience. DMT doesn't need anything added to be enjoyed or to blow your mind.
 
I don't see the point of mixing 2 strong tryptamines, one of them in the top 3 of potent tryptamines and drugs... unless you are very experienced with both and you want to discover/add something new to your experience. DMT doesn't need anything added to be enjoyed or to blow your mind.
No, it's more like the DMT enhances the tryptamine, phenethylamine, or lysergamide you're on, not the other way around. Having said that, a deep hyperspace plunge on LSD does in fact bring something to the table, so to speak, in terms of how it affects that experience. It isn't a "need" type of thing, but it's an experience worthy of exploring if you like to trip and have plenty of experience in handling yourself in these altered states. As always, harm reduction techniques are advised, and if you're fairly inexperienced with these drugs, a good tripsitter (or two) is clutch.

Also what's this "top 3 of potent tryptamines and drugs" you speak of? Who's list is it and what are the other two drugs? Or is the list limited to tryptamines?
 
if you like to trip and have plenty of experience in handling yourself in these altered states.
It was exactly that what I was meaning, personally I find DMT useless in lower doses, even frustating, perhaps not oral (ayahuasca like) microdosing but in terms of vaporized material, for me at least it's all or nothing, less than the "waiting room" it's not even pleasant, and more than that seems overpowering to other substances, so this was just considering my standard of DMT use. If I breakthrough I don't want any other substance "staining" the experience as for me it's not at all "recreational" but deeply spiritual and mind blowing, perhaps if I had brokethrough hundred times I would like to go further and search some mixes, but I was specifically thinking about enhancing DMT, not the other way round.

AFAIK, regarding tryptamines must be DMT, DPT and 5-MEO-DMT. I didn't try dissos so I cannot compare with them, of all the rest of substances I've tried only high doses of Amanita can compare with those substances in terms of entheogenic potential.
 
I don't see the point of mixing 2 strong tryptamines, one of them in the top 3 of potent tryptamines and drugs... unless you are very experienced with both and you want to discover/add something new to your experience. DMT doesn't need anything added to be enjoyed or to blow your mind.
Haha this is quite true. I was looking for the DMT mega thread, but I couldn’t find it. So I tried my DMT out a couple times over the past couple days. It’s been a couple years at least since I’ve broken through so I was pretty nervous. I proceed to pack 80 mg in my OB, I usually just stuff my pipes full, and I hold the flame a lil bit away from the glass.

It takes a little bit, but then it starts to get really full with vapor. I go fuck it let’s go, and I take the biggest hit I can. I hold it in for a while and as soon as I start to exhale things begin to change rapidly. Usually, I require two hits, but Already I felt the presence of an entity and I try to go in for another hit and she said no and turned the pipe black so I couldn’t see it and then boom, it happened. I don’t know why, but it feels like I have the same female entity that I run into a lot, but this time she was like super talkative and communicating to me and what seemed to sound like an alien tongue, but I could understand it telepathically as she guided me through all these various alien realms that were ineffable in their beauty and complexity.

As they start to come back down in my room or reality becomes reassembled I immediately just start saying I love you. I have so much gratitude for you. Thank you for this all inspiring journey. Damn I forgot how much I loved DMT. And you’re right you don’t need to add much to it. Although it’s pretty cool, to do it post peak on LSD + MDA + a lil 3-meo-pce, it like triples the length of the breakthrough. Wild ride though.
 
I do have a sample of Moxy coming so I’m interested as to which camp I fall into. More excited bout 2C-I and 2C—EF I just ordered them today. 2cI was one of my faves
 
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