Usirius1
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Thanks the pointer on that. What is the typical threshold dose of 2C-C?
Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-MiPT Thread - Part 2
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Thanks the pointer on that. What is the typical threshold dose of 2C-C?
ConspiracyTheory
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I have REALLY been wanting to try that combo out for some time. I'm sure the sex on it would be utterly mind blowing but I can't find any GHB/GBL.
Madrus
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Well for me, I was pretty much floor-locked once it came on. Just lying on the floor and enjoying the pretty colors :D
So I wouldn't call it stimulating. For me, at least.
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Yeah only based that on a search, which contained data from way back so it could've been mixed up with the 4-HO compound. Thanks for the input though, asked about the stimulative properties in the B&D but no one answered 
Is it "stoning" like 4-Aco-DMT is or, or more of a tranquil/relaxed state?
And to elaborate a bit more, 5-Meo-MiPT isn't that much of a stimulant either. At least it's not rusty or anything, just a whole bunch of euphoric energy for me which is both comfortable when you're just sitting or being a bit more energetic. Would imagine, though, that with something that does some real stimulation it would add to that stimulation and it could become too much.
Is it "stoning" like 4-Aco-DMT is or, or more of a tranquil/relaxed state?And to elaborate a bit more, 5-Meo-MiPT isn't that much of a stimulant either. At least it's not rusty or anything, just a whole bunch of euphoric energy for me which is both comfortable when you're just sitting or being a bit more energetic. Would imagine, though, that with something that does some real stimulation it would add to that stimulation and it could become too much.
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35 mg for me at least of 2C-C to start to feel something.
But for instance Ive found 65 mg 2C-C dose compares to like 15 mg of 5-meo-mipt. Both with trip partner. If you I am alone it makes a big difference. I've experienced I can easily go insane with 5-meo-mipt in a solo trip, 8 mg is enough for me then. I was knocking the wall with my hand a few times to get some feeling of reality with 8 mg. With a trip partner there was no issue of that at all even at 15mg and 5mg later as add-on.
This stuff makes me see what I think and this can make anxious thoughts if I spin the wrong direction in a solo trip.
Usirius1
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My friend is taking Celexa, an SSRI, and we are a little concerned about taking 5 Meo MiPT. He really wants to try it, however on wikipedia, it stated that 5MeoMiPT shows some MAOI behaviors. Doing more research, i am unable to find any other sources that indicate that it really is an MAOI. Has anyone here taken this while on an SSRI? I cant seem to find any reports of this.
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From looking around it seems it's more of a reuptake inhibitor, so I don't think the combo is dangerous. Seems like MAOIs are out of the question though
Azron
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Can anyone point out why i get shit all from this substance? Slight mood elevation, but that could have been the DALT i had with it.. I know for sure its not a tolerance/cross tolerance issue and has nothing to do with other meds I use.... mainly benzos... which i always leave if I know im going to trip....
Usirius1
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Thanks for that source . I'm gonna continue looking for more sources. I'd really like to hear from someone that has done this particular compound while also taking an SSRI. Seeing as I don't have a convenient method of disposing of a body, id like to be a bit more certain that this isn't gonna kill him
progressive
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Could be multiple (interacting) factors, but the first thing that comes to my mind is the amount you take. 5-meo-mipt is extremely sensitive in this aspect.
If you are sure it's 5-meo-mipt you are taking, I would say take more. A friend of mine is a real hard head, he didn't feel anything at 17 mg, while me and another friend were almost going insane at 15 mg on the same batch.
Start with 6mg and judge it when you have increased that by 6 mg multiple solo's up to 24 mg.
Btw No offense, but in my opinion you can't judge if you mix it with 5-meo-dalt.
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Dissolving a body in hydrofluoric acid not good enough for ya? :D Always use HDPE though, a bathtub is ill-advised
In all seriousness though, these 5-Meo's aren't really as safe as the 4-subs so I'd probably stick to something a bit more well-known if you're on psychiatric meds. It's a bit of a confusing mess, and even though MAOIs are out of the question when looking at it's pharmacological effects, there's still reports of people using it with Moclobemide and they end up just fine.
Same goes for 5-Meo-DMT. In theory it's dangerous, it's even present at active levels in some Aya brews. Yet there's also reports of hypertensive crises and serotonin syndrome when taking it solely with an MAOI.
But that means nothing for SSRIs, and from what I've read on 5-Meo-DiPT it should seem fine. Yet given all the inconsistencies, being safe seems like the better choice.
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Usirius1
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Yeah. We're ordering the 4-AcO-MET and 5-MeO-MiPT combo from my vendor. I'll be fine since I'm not on any psych meds, my friend was just uneasy about ordering a combo if he can only do one of the two. I'd like it if he could do both, but with the risk involved with his SSRI, I think ill just have him stick with the 4-AcO-MET. I myself, look forward to mixing the two.
progressive
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And me looking forward reading you trip report
There was one guy here taking 4-aco-dmt and 5-meo-mipt together if I remember correctly. He did go bad.
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I've combined them (~10-12mg 4-Aco-DMT + ~5mg of 5-Meo-MiPT) and it was pretty good. It's easy to become a confused mess with that combo, but that's more the 4-Aco-DMT than the 5-Meo-MiPT. But that wasn't really the case here, mostly enjoying the sun (oh how I miss thee) with some friends, not all on psychedelics.
Also this and LSD (100ug+6mg) was amazing, though I got a bit further out than I wanted. I was at a rave and lost all my social skills, so I ended up mindlessly dancing for about 6 hours. In retrospect, I would've preferred that dose of 5-Meo-MiPT alone, it's my favorite party drug at the moment. The music was, and sounded, amazing though!
But yeah, treat this like any other psych+psych combo. An easy mistake to make, since it's so different
Also this and LSD (100ug+6mg) was amazing, though I got a bit further out than I wanted. I was at a rave and lost all my social skills, so I ended up mindlessly dancing for about 6 hours. In retrospect, I would've preferred that dose of 5-Meo-MiPT alone, it's my favorite party drug at the moment. The music was, and sounded, amazing though!
But yeah, treat this like any other psych+psych combo. An easy mistake to make, since it's so different
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Usirius1
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Yeah... I've heard that mixing Moxy with others can be overwhelming sometimes. I myself have never had a bad trip. I dunno if that's just luck or if it's just the way my fucked up mind works. Every report I've read of "Bad trips" excluding those involving seizures and death, seem like something I would actually enjoy.
vortech
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Can anyone detail the suspected danger of combining 5-MeO-MiPT with MXE? I haven't found many combination reports, but so far they seem to be positive experiences in low doses.
Then of course there is this extremely high dose combination, but doesn't tell us much b/c that's high enough dose for the hospital even without being combined
The front of the MXE combinations subthread states "Most 4-HO/4-AcO tryptamine psychedelics [seemingly safe], but 5-MeO tryptamines may be unsafe (possibly exacerbated sympathomimetic toxicity)"
Can someone explain what 'sympathomimetic toxicity' means to someone who is not a neurobiologist?
and could that toxicity be present in low doses of each (like 5mg 5-MEO-MiPT and 20-30mg MXE) ?
I would guess a possible risk of serotonin syndrome, but only in higher doses.
I am curious!
Then of course there is this extremely high dose combination, but doesn't tell us much b/c that's high enough dose for the hospital even without being combined
The front of the MXE combinations subthread states "Most 4-HO/4-AcO tryptamine psychedelics [seemingly safe], but 5-MeO tryptamines may be unsafe (possibly exacerbated sympathomimetic toxicity)"
Can someone explain what 'sympathomimetic toxicity' means to someone who is not a neurobiologist?
and could that toxicity be present in low doses of each (like 5mg 5-MEO-MiPT and 20-30mg MXE) ?
I would guess a possible risk of serotonin syndrome, but only in higher doses.
I am curious!
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Just this Sunday I did a trip of IM 65mg MXE/8mg 5-MeO-MiPT. Was very, very intense. Was in another realm for a good two hours, interacting with entities, utterly engrossing. I certainly don't feel like it was a low-dose on either chemical, and felt very fine throughout the whole thing.
vortech
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^Thanks for the feedback! I will be performing similar experiments soon, starting low.
Ballz_Trippington
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Does anybody have any experience with taking Moxy sublingually? I am very curious about this ROA and any info on dosage or difference in effects from oral would be greatly appreciated.