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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-MiPT Thread - Part 2

Still haven't come down, despite using benzos last night in an attempt to kill the trip. Mother of god, what have I done...I've dreamed of finding a way to prolong the effects of 5-MeO-MiPT, but this is a whole new level. I would've been perfectly content with a nice, 8-10 hour duration, but this? Nearly 24 hours now, I'll see how much longer this lasts. Crazy! I'm assuming the Coluracetam is responsible for the massively prolonged effect?
 
30 mg is a pretty huge dose for oral ingestion. And when I tried 4-AcO-DMT with noopept the effects were certainly enhanced in certain respects, though I'm unsure if it increased the duration. Racetams certainly have similar potentiation on psychedelics as noopept it seems (enhanced colour saturation was what I noticed most, everything was extremely vibrant).

I ate 5 mg on a pretty full stomach last night around 9:00 and fell asleep really easily after eating 1 mg etizolam at 7:00 am, again on a full stomach. I enjoyed reading your report. Food really is delicious with this compound, I found myself eating a couple fresh mangoes about 3 hours after ingestion, and made a nice breakfast as the sun was rising to cap off the night.

I should also note that I noticed a migraine kick in minutes after eating the drug, and it persisted throughout the entire trip. I'm prone to suffering migraines in the evening, so this wasn't unusual for me, but tryptamines and lysergamides typically alleviate any migraine pain completely for me, which was partially the aim of the trip however I'll see if it holds them back for the next few months. I tried to make myself as comfortable as I could during the trip, trying to avoid tension in my back from laying around I found myself cracking my back and changing positions frequently.

As the trip wore on and I was left in the wonderful afterglow, I felt some nausea and began to feel a bit queasy when I vaped from my ecig, the flavouring just became unappealing. This feeling has persisted through to today, and I suppose it's for the best since my migraines are certainly affected by high nicotine intake.
 
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30 mg is a pretty huge dose for oral ingestion. And when I tried 4-AcO-DMT with noopept the effects were certainly enhanced in certain respects, though I'm unsure if it increased the duration. Racetams certainly have similar potentiation on psychedelics as noopept it seems (enhanced colour saturation was what I noticed most, everything was extremely vibrant).
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Certainly 30mg would be considered a high dose by any means, but 24 hours? I highly doubt a 30% dose increase in dose alone would turn 5 hours into 24 hours. I'm certain Coluracetam contributed to extending the effects of 5-MeO-MiPT, though to what extent I couldn't say. More tests will need to be done to reach a final consensus. Perhaps Moxy alone at 30mg, 20mg with Coluracetam, and 20mg once again with PRL 8-53. Perhaps lowering the dose to 20mg alone will result in a more desirable duration, closer to 8-12 hours ideally, though that's just wishful thinking on my part. ;)

I ate 5 mg on a pretty full stomach last night around 9:00 and fell asleep really easily after eating 1 mg etizolam at 7:00 am, again on a full stomach. I enjoyed reading your report. Food really is delicious with this compound, I found myself eating a couple fresh mangoes about 3 hours after ingestion, and made a nice breakfast as the sun was rising to cap off the night.
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Appreciate it, man! :) Yes, food truly is incredible on this compound. So good, in fact, I think I may have to dedicate my next trip to dining at a nice restaurant. The sensory experience overall on Moxy is something else - I can't think of any other psychedelic to match it. I can hardly tolerate the thought of food on any other psychedelic, let alone eat. Moxy doesn't just make food tolerable, it makes food divine, seemingly selecting whatever aspects you most enjoy about a particular food and muting/drowning out the undesirable aspects. I'd imagine even burnt food to be enjoyable in some sense on this compound. Even food I absolutely can't stand in sobriety becomes almost mouth-watering on Moxy.

I should also note that I noticed a migraine kick in minutes after eating the drug, and it persisted throughout the entire trip. I'm prone to suffering migraines in the evening, so this wasn't unusual for me, but tryptamines and lysergamides typically alleviate any migraine pain completely for me, which was partially the aim of the trip however I'll see if it holds them back for the next few months. I tried to make myself as comfortable as I could during the trip, trying to avoid tension in my back from laying around I found myself cracking my back and changing positions frequently.

As the trip wore on and I was left in the wonderful afterglow, I felt some nausea and began to feel a bit queasy when I vaped from my ecig, the flavouring just became unappealing. This feeling has persisted through to today, and I suppose it's for the best since my migraines are certainly affected by high nicotine intake.
I can't say I've experienced any migraines in my experiences with 5-MeO-MiPT. I have noticed the increase cracking throughout the body, however I've found the sensations extremely pleasurable. This may be more a matter of personal preference than anything else. Of course, I'm also one of the few to find the body load enjoyable even on high doses, so it could be that's simply an unusual case. :\
 
Certainly 30mg would be considered a high dose by any means, but 24 hours? I highly doubt a 30% dose increase in dose alone would turn 5 hours into 24 hours. I'm certain Coluracetam contributed to extending the effects of 5-MeO-MiPT, though to what extent I couldn't say. More tests will need to be done to reach a final consensus. Perhaps Moxy alone at 30mg, 20mg with Coluracetam, and 20mg once again with PRL 8-53. Perhaps lowering the dose to 20mg alone will result in a more desirable duration, closer to 8-12 hours ideally, though that's just wishful thinking on my part. ;)


Appreciate it, man! :) Yes, food truly is incredible on this compound. So good, in fact, I think I may have to dedicate my next trip to dining at a nice restaurant. The sensory experience overall on Moxy is something else - I can't think of any other psychedelic to match it. I can hardly tolerate the thought of food on any other psychedelic, let alone eat. Moxy doesn't just make food tolerable, it makes food divine, seemingly selecting whatever aspects you most enjoy about a particular food and muting/drowning out the undesirable aspects. I'd imagine even burnt food to be enjoyable in some sense on this compound. Even food I absolutely can't stand in sobriety becomes almost mouth-watering on Moxy.


I can't say I've experienced any migraines in my experiences with 5-MeO-MiPT. I have noticed the increase cracking throughout the body, however I've found the sensations extremely pleasurable. This may be more a matter of personal preference than anything else. Of course, I'm also one of the few to find the body load enjoyable even on high doses, so it could be that's simply an unusual case. :\

That sounds really awesome. Do you find you desire fresh foods (fruits and veg) more so than other kinds, or is everything just better? I want to take some of this and go to my favorite sushi restaurant, it sounds great. I'm getting excited just thinking about it actually.
 
That sounds really awesome. Do you find you desire fresh foods (fruits and veg) more so than other kinds, or is everything just better? I want to take some of this and go to my favorite sushi restaurant, it sounds great. I'm getting excited just thinking about it actually.

A resounding YES on both counts. I tend to desire just these types of food in general, regardless of whether I'm on anything, but I do occasionally eat other types of food, and I can't say I've found anything that didn't taste significantly better while on Moxy compared to being sober... After taking Moxy, I tend to just eat whatever's in front of me, so I often end up having to plan out what I eat beforehand, so as to avoid eating loads of junk food and clearing the entire cabinet. The munchies can be a bit overwhelming here at times, so best make sure to order a fairly large portion. This is a buffet, my friend, no fine dining to be seen here. %)
 
Certainly 30mg would be considered a high dose by any means, but 24 hours? I highly doubt a 30% dose increase in dose alone would turn 5 hours into 24 hours. I'm certain Coluracetam contributed to extending the effects of 5-MeO-MiPT, though to what extent I couldn't say. More tests will need to be done to reach a final consensus. Perhaps Moxy alone at 30mg, 20mg with Coluracetam, and 20mg once again with PRL 8-53. Perhaps lowering the dose to 20mg alone will result in a more desirable duration, closer to 8-12 hours ideally, though that's just wishful thinking on my part. ;)

Even 20mg would be a pretty high dose for most people...I've never gone over 12mg and that always lasts a good 12 hours for me.

I'd think raw fish wouldn't be a good idea on any psychedelic, but you know, whatever floats your boat ;)
 
Even 20mg would be a pretty high dose for most people...I've never gone over 12mg and that always lasts a good 12 hours for me.
Well, I suppose I must be incredibly insensitive to the substance. 10mg was purely a stimulating dose, in my experience. Perhaps I'll give that dose another shot to ensure tolerance wasn't the cause. Even after 5 days, tolerance to 5-MeO-MiPT doesn't seem to fully reverse itself, hence my once-per-week dosing regime. At the time of trying 10mg, I was exactly 5 days in - even 20mg didn't yield any results, come to think of it. I may need much less than I previously thought. Mm, 10mg 5-MeO-MiPT + 30mg Coluracetam + 10mg PRL 8-53 sounds like a delicious combo, aside from the taste of course - bleh! :p
 
"PRL 8-53", I've never even heard of that one 8) but apparently it's a nootropic according to Google. Not sure why you're mixing that and coluracetam with the 5-MeO-MiPT? I know some people use piracetam to potentiate MDMA, but I didn't think that worked with psychedelics.
 
It worked super well for me once with 2C-E, once, but not other times. Seems unpredictable, but also it's possible that time was due to other factors.
 
Dang, if 20 mg had no effect you may want to check either your tolerance, quality of the chemical, or combinations. If you're dosing once per week, maybe try taking 2-4 weeks off. It's possible what you have is degraded or maybe even adulterated. And typically nootropics will enhance or be benign on the effects of psychedelics, but maybe there is some inhibition from the coluracetam. Just be careful with dosing if you do switch up any of the variables, I am slightly sensitive to psychedelics and dose fairly lightly, but I think any of those doses would be extremely uncomfortable for me and many others.

Just out of curiosity as well, how do you approach dosing with other psychedelic tryptamines?

Also I should clarify that the migraine I experienced was not related to the 5-MeO-MiPT as I had ingested it so close to the pain onset that I can't recall which occurred first. The migraine was due to the heat/humidity outside and doing physical activity outside in the sun for hours, as well as nicotine. I found that bowls of cannabis and laying still helped ease the pain slightly during the experience, however I kept having to move around and adjust my body due to the back tension from the chemical, so relief never lasted very long. As always I slept it off and woke up feeling refreshed and with a new positive lesson learned to apply to my living.
 
"PRL 8-53", I've never even heard of that one 8) but apparently it's a nootropic according to Google. Not sure why you're mixing that and coluracetam with the 5-MeO-MiPT? I know some people use piracetam to potentiate MDMA, but I didn't think that worked with psychedelics.
I use PRL 8-53 to improve memory and retain more of the overall experience, and it's been more than useful for me in this regard. I haven't found any reason to believe this substance would interact with psychedelics in a dangerous manner.

Coluracetam is purely for curiosity's sake - I'm interested in seeing how this substance interacts with psychedelics, and since I have no valid reason to believe there to be any direct dangers regarding interactions between the two, I've continued to use this substance in combination with psychedelics. I'm not claiming this is safe by any means, but until solid evidence for any presumed dangerous interactions actually surface, I'll take my chances.

Regarding Piracetam, yes, it has been shown to potentiate the effects of psychedelics, though we only have anecdotal reports to work with here, for obvious reasons.
 
Dang, if 20 mg had no effect you may want to check either your tolerance, quality of the chemical, or combinations. If you're dosing once per week, maybe try taking 2-4 weeks off. It's possible what you have is degraded or maybe even adulterated. And typically nootropics will enhance or be benign on the effects of psychedelics, but maybe there is some inhibition from the coluracetam. Just be careful with dosing if you do switch up any of the variables, I am slightly sensitive to psychedelics and dose fairly lightly, but I think any of those doses would be extremely uncomfortable for me and many others.
I have no reason to believe the lack of effect from 5-MeO-MiPT has to do with anything other than the (presumably) short-term, reversible tolerance of this substance. The evidence for any of the substances I'm currently using inhibiting the effects of psychedelics is non-existent, and my attempts to prove otherwise have been entirely futile. The chance of degradation or adulteration are next to nothing, given my source's strong track record. I have full confidence what I have is in fact 5-MeO-MiPT, and that the purity equals or surpasses what might typically be expected of a professional organization.

I feel I should have been more clear in my above post when I mentioned that 20mg "yielded no results." When I say results in this case, this is only to say that I experienced nothing further than stimulation and a fairly pronounced body high. No psychedelic effects were present in that instance, or possibly I just wasn't looking hard enough to notice them. I have a fairly easy time psychologically tuning out some of the effects of psychedelics in times of extreme distraction, namely the few days after taking a high dose of this substance. so it's possible I may have conveyed the psychedelic effects as being much weaker than they actually were.

As far as how I approach dosing, I've been away from psychedelics for a few years now, and have only gotten back into it this past year with my dissociative experiences and worsening psychological health (almost entirely resolved in no small part thanks to 5-MeO-MiPT, fortunately), but in general, I tend to be cautious. Still, if I feel that I need to step things up a bit, I tend to throw caution out the window and step up the dosage tremendously despite how obviously reckless a decision this is. Still, I always stay below the toxic threshold, so most of the remaining dangers lie in the psychological aspect of the experience.

Hopefully that clears things up. I had a VERY interesting experience combining 5-MeO-MiPT with nootropics recently which I'll be sure to write a proper Trip Report on soon enough. In particular, I ran across a phenomenon I'm not sure I've ever heard mentioned in the psychedelic community before, but I'm very sure of what I experienced, and am continuing to experience through the aftereffects at this very moment. It sounds very much unbelievable, and it could be that I'm misinterpreting this, but I highly doubt it. The best way to describe what I'm experiencing is to imagine a sort of "split consciousness" occurring in the speech center of the brain, where information contained within both the conscious and the subconscious/unconscious mind can be conveyed through language. In the initial instance, I was seemingly speaking in tongues, very quick verbal gibberish that soon resulted in some fragmented bits of information. This first bit focused mainly on religion, and specifically, the "speaker" (which I later recognized as the subconscious and/or unconscious part of my brain, annoying little bastard...) had said, to name a few in no particular chronological order, "The Bible is evil, the Bible is the devil, the devil is everywhere, both above you and below your feet, the world is the devil, the world is inherently evil." Being not a theist, an atheist (as of just a few months ago), or an agnostic (it's complicated), I was a bit shocked to hear a voice mention this. It seemed to be using my voice to communicate, and it's important to note that, unlike with the possibly related phenomena occurring later on in the trip, this voice seemed to be directly communicating with me, that I was somehow in danger of Satan himself doing harm to me. I was inclined to agree with what it said at first despite being fairly skeptical about this sort of thing, but the strongly pessimistic attitude and the schizophrenic presentation led me to dismiss its existence as nothing more than irrational fear and paranoia. At first, I wasn't strongly inclined to think this was strictly a product of my mind, but assessing the experience afterwards led me to favour this possibility over the rest, most of which would be certain not to follow an evidence-based approach. I hadn't thought remaining awake for 3 days on amphetamine and PRL 8-53 would result in a psychosis progressing this quick, but I had failed to consider that a stimulating psychedelic affecting the mind so strongly as 5-MeO-MiPT would certainly have acted as the anchor to tip the boat in this instance. I feel very much lucid and mostly awake, but despite this, the "voice" I had been hearing was likely the product of psychosis rather than a profound effect induced by this wonderful little substance. The second, likely related phenomenon, however, cannot necessarily be ruled out as psychosis without a strict, thorough analysis into the matter, in my opinion. This second occurrence was quite different in nature, but perhaps even more interesting than the first. I noticed that, when I spoke, I had two options: I could call upon my subconscious/unconscious mind and speak through them - to be more precise, I had chosen to allow my voice box to transmit the information from my subconscious/unconscious mind, but I wasn't consciously aware of any of the information being conveyed prior to this. Still, when bits of information presented themselves in some vaguely coherent fashion, I'd recognize their origin. For example, I've been watching House, M.D. quite a bit lately, so my subconscious has likely been focusing a bit more on that than on other topics. Many of the bits of information rolling off of my tongue were short quotes from House, almost entirely word-for-word, and when a certain character would be involve, especially prominent with the character of Dr. Chase, who, being Australian, caused me to speak in an Australian accent quite well, whereas normally I'd be horrible at reproducing accents. Other bits of information included hundreds if not thousands of complicated medical terms I'd never consciously retain without exerting a tremendous amount of effort, most but not all of which were originally heard on House, but some may even have had their roots back in my late childhood, a significant length in time to be recalling without some major outside influences (like a high dose psychedelic, for example.) Most interestingly though, I've heard quite a few references to various types of aliens, almost as if they were intending to "abduct" me, but I think it's best to write this off as another paranoid delusion brought on by the amphetamine psychosis. I'd say the information being transmitted from my subconscious/unconscious mind is very much real, but the way I had framed it is far from reality. Lastly, some of the information I've transmitted has been highly suggestive of some type of telepathic communication, almost a literal "mindrape," if you will, though not deliberate by any means if this did in fact occur. I find this all very interesting, and after doing a write-up on my experiences as soon as time permits, I'll be sure to dedicate myself to figuring out just what the hell happened today. This may just be the strangest psychedelic experience I've ever heard of, let alone experienced, and I haven't quite taken it all in yet. I'd appreciate any thoughts that aren't quick to dismiss away my experiences as paranoid schizophrenia and suggest I be prescribed antipsychotics for the rest of my life. It's a strong possibility this is a new possibility opened up by 5-MeO-MiPT, and it would be a shame if this all were to be boiled down to pseudoscience and the like.

For reference's sake, the dosages used are as follows:

20mg 5-MeO-MiPT
10mg PRL 8-53 (dosed ~2 hours earlier than any other substances)
30mg Coluracetam
1.6g Piracetam
60mcg Methylene Blue
250mcg Clonazepam (dosed the day before any other substances, about 10:00AM or so)
4mg Intuniv (dosed at the same time as clonazepam, the day before this trip took place)
4.5mg C60oo
500mg Cephalexin (for strep throat, checked for interactions and only my usage of a 14-Mushroom Blend had to be ceased, due to containing Reishi as one of the ingredients)

And of course, let's not forget that I had stayed up for 3 days straight and counting using dextroamphetamine and PRL 8-53, the former of which can definitely cause psychosis in those instances, and the latter of which could carry similar dangers, due to being a dopamine agonist as well. Whether or not this action is present in PRL to any degree comparable to dextroamphetamine, I'm not sure. Rather, I'm mentioning this based on nothing more than speculation.

This has been an intense morning. I'm going to keep up with this and see if anything else unfolds. I have to admit, this flooding of information from the unconscious is as entertaining and interesting as it scary to experience. Speaking at nearly 10 words per second is simply hilarious to listen to while tripping. I'll do what I can to stay safe with the application of some general HR advice, but there's not exactly anything specific to the split consciousness phenomena that I could find. Has anyone else experienced this, or heard about it anywhere? A lot of things are unclear to me surrounding this whole situation, but two things are clear: the first is that 5-MeO-MiPT is a substance capable of far more than we had ever imagined when the first dose was consumed, just like 5-MeO-DMT in a sense I suppose, and the second is that explaining this is likely well beyond the scope of "standard" scientific fields alone to explain in full. Although neuroscience can likely explain how the unconscious mind is able to present information in the same way the conscious mind normally would, I feel the more interesting aspects of this experience are more closely bound to quantum-based methods, like the seeming accidental "mind invasion" I had perpetrated, the "trapped" beings that made pleas for help through my unconscious mind, and the temporary induction of xenoglossy. This all sounds like magic, for lack of a better word, but I know what I experienced and it's definitely a very real thing. If anyone knows anything, please, send me a PM if you will. Thanks.
 
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i'm pretty sure AMT is the tryptamine answer to MDMA.
5-meo-mipt is pretty strong ass shit. I'd say it's the tryptamine answer to the DO* series just without the duration.
But the stimulation and the visuals can most certainly be there.
 
Have any of you guys noticed people having a psychedelic crisis with this substance?

I ordered a gram of this back around the first of the year and recently found it in a stack of mail (it piles up). I assumed the vendor never sent it until I happened upon it about two months ago. I stared playing around with taking low doses and invited one of my tripping buddies to sample it with me.

For me this substance is rather mild, even when dosing upwards of 10mg or so. One test at 15mg (with slight tolerance) provided a full blown psychedelic experience with extreme visuals. Every other trail was a mild, euphoric, and somewhat speedy trip with few visuals. It does not remind me much of MDMA...instead I compare it to low dose shrooms with a hint of a stim without the side effects of a stim (on the body). Perfect for a social gathering with a lot of dancing. It has always treated me fine aside from a night where I drank hard liquor after dosing and got _way_ too drunk after the initial speedy phase of the trip wore off.

Anyway on to my point of posting this;

My friend joined me for my second trip on this substance. The plan was to start _very_ low and perhaps re-dose once the effects had set in. We both took 5mg orally for the initial dose. At T+2 hours we both re-dosed with 2-3mg. So far the trip seemed routine for both of us. We basically just talked, played video games, noted mild visuals and were having a good time.

At T+3 hours or T+4 hours (can't remember) my friend started bugging me for another re-dose. Stupidly I complied after much argument and gave him 2-3mg to shut him up. I realize this was a mistake and normally I wouldn't do this but this guy had tripped with me a lot in the past and I figured he could handle it.

Within 15 minutes he became very quiet and not acting like himself. He sat down on my bed and the look on his face reminded me of a scared child or a deer in headlights. He would not tell me what was wrong, he would not tell me how he was feeling. He just said that something wasn't right and refused to move from that spot for nearly an hour.

I kept an eye on him and was considering giving him a benzo. Eventually he came out of it, moved to the couch, and spent the next hour or so talking my ear off about Fred Flintstone's car not obeying the laws of physics. He was fine the next day and every time I see him he begs for more of the stuff.

Does this sound like a typical bad trip to you guys? I have given this much thought and I am unsure if the re-dose caused his reaction or if it was simply the trip shifting into "phase two". I later found out that he was really not in the best mental state to be tripping and his addiction to alcohol has resurfaced. I've since decided not to give him anything out of my stash again until we sort these problems out.

At any rate be careful with this substance. I treated it too casually and while it has yet to bite me it did cause distress in my friend. Someone who's no stranger to high doses of LSD, Mushrooms, 2Cs and other drugs in this class. I had always considered him a bit of a hard head until his little freak out with moxy.

Any input is appreciated.
 
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I've tried this compound, at doses up to ~30mg (taken over several hours, in one night. Not a single 30mg dose) with very little visual effect. However, a very intense body high, a "stoned" feeling and memory impairment, and painful vasoconstriction which lasted for several days afterwards, were prominent.

Maybe everyone's chemistry is different. However, while I enjoy this substance (could see it as a good compliment to 5-mapb) I don't see it as having much potential as a psychedelic "per say".
 
I have found my sweet spot with this material and it has become one of my favorites.

For me 15-18mg seems to be about perfect and I have no reason or desire to push it any further. At this level the body load that bothered me in the lower doses is nowhere to be found. It is still there of course, mostly on the come up. But somewhere near T+1-1:30 hours I "break through" those symptoms and things become far more manageable.

The trip still has two phases, the first begin more "rolly/pro-social" (not like MDMA) and the second more like a traditional psilocybin or LSD trip (again not exactly like those). For me 5-meo-mipt is very visual at these levels; walls sway and move, objects blend into each other and sway/move together in patterns, shadows and colors play tricks on you in odd ways (trees appearing to be filled with countless bats in the middle of the day for example), colors change shades and hue. Visually it reminds me of a combination of high does mushrooms + MDA, it's very unlike the visuals I get from the PEAs I've tried.

Thankfully I am one of the lucky few that doesn't suffer from GI distress from this material. I do feel the anxiety often associated with it but not as badly as others I've shared it with. For some people it just doesn't seem like a good fit, for others it's perfect.

I plan on stocking up on this stuff as a small supply could last me and my friends a lifetime. I really enjoy this substance, both for the full blown experience and the subtle ones. I like having the option of begin able to take a mild does for a night out begin social or a slightly higher one for when I want to be alone at home with my own thoughts.

Oh by the way. Most of the time I prefer night tripping no matter what the substance. This one has made me appreciate day trips to the point that I now prefer them. The tactile enhancement combined with begin out in the sun laying on the grass is just wonderful, almost orgasmic. As was staring up at the clouds as they rolled by.

Two things to keep in mind with this material as I've now seen it happen to multiple people (and myself);

1. There will be a strong desire to re-dose in the first hour or two. Heed my warning and do not go through with it if you're new to this substance. Treat it as a one-shot type of deal since this trip has two phases (or peaks). Re-dosing seems to mess up the clean transition to the second phase and not add much to the overall experience.

Instead I find it best to wait until the next trip to explore a higher dose. Adding on say 3mg to a 7mg dose doesn't seem to add much, where as waiting until the next trip to attempt 10mg would make for a much more fulfilling trip.

2. There will be a strong desire to abort the trip for some people when they enter phase two. The "rolly" phase wearing off into an intense psychedelic state seems to cause distress in a lot of people. If you wait 10-15 minutes the anxiety will go away and you'll find yourself in a very content, sedating and trippy state. I've seen this shift catch a lot of "vets" and "hard heads" off guard.

Basically it's like coming up all over again for about 10-15 minutes, you just have to accept that and let it settle back down.

If you really think you need to abort with a benzo by all means, just know that you'll be robbing yourself of the best part of the trip since it's just getting started when that "phase shift" happens.

As such I approach this material differently than I would something like LSD, mushrooms, 2C-x, or any other similar substance. With 5-meo-mipt everything up until "phase two" is what I would consider the come-up. You could also think of it as having two peaks.
 
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Two things to keep in mind with this material as I've now seen it happen to multiple people (and myself);

1. There will be a strong desire to re-dose in the first hour or two. Heed my warning and do not go through with it if you're new to this substance. Treat it as a one-shot type of deal since this trip has two phases (or peaks). Re-dosing seems to mess up the clean transition to the second phase and not add much to the overall experience.

Instead I find it best to wait until the next trip to explore a higher dose. Adding on say 3mg to a 7mg dose doesn't seem to add much, where as waiting until the next trip to attempt 10mg would make for a much more fulfilling trip.

2. There will be a strong desire to abort the trip for some people when they enter phase two. The "rolly" phase wearing off into an intense psychedelic state seems to cause distress in a lot of people. If you wait 10-15 minutes the anxiety will go away and you'll find yourself in a very content, sedating and trippy state. I've seen this shift catch a lot of "vets" and "hard heads" off guard.

Basically it's like coming up all over again for about 10-15 minutes, you just have to accept that and let it settle back down.


Ha, indeed! Had one experience with this, knowledgable and trusted friend prepared some caps on a new year's eve. He, another friend, my then girlfriend and I all dropped a gel cap each. We had a great giggly time in 2nd friend's basement, rolling around on a mattress and playing tunes. Discussion of vapourising some of the remaining material arose, and 2nd friend and I decided to partake, as there was a strong urge to redose in the two of us. Shortly after doing this friend 1 and my girlfriend decided we should head out to a houseparty down the road. I was feeling intense waves of fkedness and decided that going to a busy party of people I didn't really know was a bad idea. Friend 2 agreed.

The other two set off for the party, where they were considerably more twisted than the guests who were politely drinking good wine. My girlfriend drank some wine and essentially had a loud orgasm as a result of the exquisite flavour, while our friend rolled around in the high quality carpet. Someone politely asked them to leave and they both entered phase 2, feeling suddenly aware of the intense psychedelic experience they were having.

Meanwhile in the basement I was watching armies of neon skeletons march through the wall and over my prone body, while laughing uncontrollably heheheh
 
i found this great at low dose, very stimulating, and empathogenic at doses inferior to 10mg really took the edge off the bodyload of the 2C-E too. Also great to combine a small dose of moxy with metocin (4-HO-MET)...

Yet to re-try a higher psychadelic dose of moxy, but so far i prefer it at very low doses, combined with a good, visual psych (DMT, MET, DET etc analogues, or 2C-x)
 
HI! This week I have used 20gr fresh hawaian mushrooms, 450ug AL-LAD, 1,5g diphenidine (vaped most of). I have tried moxy both oral, insufflated and vaped 10-20mg.. Just an hour ago I took 5-Meo-Mipt 50mg and I dont feel any effects? Have I fried my reseptors with all of those psychedelics or am I just a hard-head? Muhsrooms didnt work either, nor the AL-LAD, diphenidine gives me little relaxation but nothing else.. My presciption medication includes clonazepam 4mg, 300mg pregabalin, 100mg tramadol, 200mg quetipine and 25mg valdoxan (agomelatine). So what do you guys thinks, what is the issue? :o
 
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