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The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DALT Thread

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15mg orally with 1g of syrian rue was surprisingly pleasant. I was expecting to be completely underwhelmed, but there were definite effects. For most of the experience I felt like I was stuck in the coming up phase of a mushroom trip, which was initially rather tense and unpleasant. However, after I got used to this feeling of being stuck in a transition phase I was able to enjoy it.
Will post further experiments with higher doses of 5-meo-dalt combined with an MAOI.
 
That's pretty much what high dose oral experiences have been like for me, sans the maoi. Interesting to read about. I tried 5meo-dipt + maoi a while back, and while I felt that less of the material was needed to get to the place a regular dose of foxy with no maoi would get me to, but I felt no real activation of any latent aspects of the drug as one does with dmt or 5meo-dmt + maoi. This one sounds to be affected by maoi in a similar fashion so far, but I guess we'll see how it pans out with further testing...
 
it's very much up to you what happens with this chemical. It's like psychic enhancement. You could make it have no visuals, and then you could meditate into practically anything. I definitely concurr with shulgin about the +3 with your eyes closed. It was wonderful dimension to go into. You would have your eyes open and have energy and colors and morphing, and then close your eyes and whoosh your in the Land Of Dalt.

I'm still experiencing an afterglow the next day, and have continued to have revelations. It seems this substance can be VERY helpful. My girlfriend threw up on the come up, but her stomach is awful, usually throws up, and had not eaten much healthy that day I think..

Shulgin is a genius for making this. What was the year it was synthed? Has there been much said about it by him other than what's in tihkal?
 
The more I ate, the more the weird vibrating, twisty feeling would increase. It was kinda uncomfortable after 150 mg oral. There is a sort of energy that is tied to pleasure but doesn't quite have a place to sit...sort of a square peg - round hole feeling. In the range of 75 mg - 125 mg or so seems to be the sure fire zone for me. In that dosage, the euphoria aspect peaks along with all the great sexual body energies, but the weird twisty thing (which also made me worried that I was having trouble breathing -- I wasn't tho, just a weird sensation) stays away.
 
CatfishRivers said:
The more I ate, the more the weird vibrating, twisty feeling would increase. It was kinda uncomfortable after 150 mg oral. There is a sort of energy that is tied to pleasure but doesn't quite have a place to sit...sort of a square peg - round hole feeling. In the range of 75 mg - 125 mg or so seems to be the sure fire zone for me. In that dosage, the euphoria aspect peaks along with all the great sexual body energies, but the weird twisty thing (which also made me worried that I was having trouble breathing -- I wasn't tho, just a weird sensation) stays away.
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With 15mg+MAOI I was getting fairly intense tremors/vibrations in my facial muscles, especially around the mouth. This started about 45 minutes after ingestion but fortunately only lasted for perhaps half an hour, while the other effects persisted. I also noticed a lot of tightness in the back of my neck, it was noticeable from the time of first alert and ended about the same time as the other effects.
 
yea the back of the neck thing would happen to me but its all psychosomatic and when you just danced or meditated deeper and relaxed it went away. Definite nice one though.
 
I've got a gram of this in the post. The positive reports here are definitely making me alot more enthusiastic about trying it out, as when I first ordered it I was just curious.
 
so the other day I scraped out my bowl with the knife I had divvied out the Dalt with and then smoked the res. There was a TINY TINY bit of white stuff left in the bowl, I barely noticed it and thought it was just ash, and puff puff----PLASTICC

about a second later I felt my body gain some smooth energy and a bit of warmth. Not a cannabis energy but an uppy one.

So basically all I wanna say is that this seems to be active at sub milligram dosages when smoked. It was very light, but enough to add some thought patterns and fluid energy to the day. My thoughts were slightly expanded, and after the main effect wore off about an hour later I had a nice sort of afterglow.
 
Are the people who have been taking higher doses experiencing any uncomfortable physical effects (I mean actual physical effects, such as stimulation in the form of increased heart-rate, altered blood-pressure, or increased temperature, as opposed to ones that are thought to have been somatosensory distortions) at any points in the trip? I ask because, well, even the supposed train-wreck report on Erowid (in which the author urges people never to take the quoted amount) sounds like a cool, full-on trip to me, and possibly at a level I've enjoyed myself on high doses of 2C-E and 2C-B, particularly, though it's hard to know just from reading a report; and it seems to me that the rather low-key, if appreciative, reports of its subtle effects might be indicative of Shulgin-led underdosing combined with an inappropriate extrapolation from other drugs of similar chemical form (wouldn't be the first time), from the perspective of those who seek a more full-on trip. But it probably wouldn't be worth it if the come-up were very rough (and potentially dangerous) on the body.
 
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Hey folks be careful with this one. A foaf has 5-MeO-DALT and claims it to be very potent at 25-30 mg level. I think there are both a hcl and fb form of this chem out there, and it appears that the fb maybe be much more potent. Don't take this for fact though as he is unsure exactly which form he has. I only noticed that both exist for sale currently and assumed this might be the case. he and I are trading samples to test for difference. In the meantime, please keep this in mind. I wanted to mention this because with the material I have seems to be best in the dose range of 65-110 mg, whereas he claims his material is very potent at 30 mg. I tested my material again at that dose and felt barely anything, just a mere hint of something in me. So, word to the wise. Be careful.
 
invert said:
Are the people who have been taking higher doses experiencing any uncomfortable physical effects (I mean actual physical effects, such as stimulation in the form of increased heart-rate, altered blood-pressure, or increased temperature, as opposed to ones that are thought to have been somatosensory distortions) at any points in the trip?
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Yes, there are some uncomfortable physical effects from the 20mg level and up. Body vibration and lots of tension in the back of the neck seem to be the most constant side effects. Nausea is also possible. Here is a trip report from a higher dose:


Summary: 80mg of 5-meo-dalt with 0.5mg of syrian rue produced a strong psychedelic experience, a definite +++. Time dilation CEVs, OEVs, and enhancement of all other senses. Slight nausea experienced by one individual, strong nauseau and vomiting experienced by the other. Body buzz/vibration noted during come-up. 5-meo-dalt has strong empatheogenic effects, and also a very sexual nature. A wonderful experience.
Duration: 5 hours.

12:00am
A 145lb male and a 115lb female each took 0.5g of syrian rue.

12:30am
Female consumed 75mg of 5-meo-dalt, male consumed 85mg. The male found the come up period to be pleasant and interesting, except for some body tension in the back of the neck. The female started to become uncomfortable and nauseous. It should be noted that both individuals had consumed thai food 6 hours previous, which contained both tofu and soy sauce (a bad combination with MAOI's).

1:00am
Female is experiencing intense waves of nausea, male feels slight butterflies in stomach that he usually experiences when consuming any psychedelic. He also notices an intense body buzz, he feels like he is vibrating. He becomes paranoid that his heart rate must be elevated, but it is 96bpm. Music is no longer pleasant at this point, the male finds it sinister and the female finds that changes in light/sound/touch make her feel unstable and more nauseous. Both move to the shower to distract from the come-up and hopefully be comforted by the warm water.

1:00am to 1:45am
Both are laying in the shower under a stream of warm water. The male is distracted by many droplets of water that sit on their skin, which are extremely interesting and seem to be embossed. He holds his hand so that his fingertips are parallel to the stream of water, feeling the drops hit directly on the pads. This is a very pleasant sensation. The female reports feeling better, though extreme nausea still comes in waves. The wall of the shower has a slight bulge in it, but to male and female it looks like the wall is 9 months pregnant. At some point the female gets out of the shower and empties her stomach into the sink (oops). After vomiting she reports that the nausea is gone and that the psychedelic effects have suddenly kicked in.

2:00am
Female comments a few times that we need to get out of the shower (the male has been in and out of the shower for the past 15 minutes, closing windows and adjusting the thermostat), but that she is trapped. She is fascinated by the pool of water in the bottom of the shower, until male helps her stand up and step over the raised edge of the shower. OEVs have begun, with the usual mystical/fractal patterns appearing on surfaces and embossing of textured surfaces. CEV's are apparent.

2:15am
Both persons have made it out of the shower and onto the mattress in the middle of the living room. Music is extremely pleasant, the fleece blankets feel amazing, and time dilation is noted. Male and female note sudden intense arousal, and some time is spent kissing eachother's hands and fingers. Sucking on eachother's fingers and touching teeth/tongues/roof of mouth feels orgasmic. The peak of the experience is starting.

3:15am to 4:00am
Peak has passed but effects are still strong. Male and female continue touching, talking, listening to music. Male and female spend some time discussing their relationship and their mutual friends (this drug has strong empathogenic effects).

4:15am
Female falls asleep. Male is still experiencing CEVs/OEVs and altered thought, and feels very alert. Male considers going for a walk (it is a lovely early morning), but decides to stay inside.

5:30am
Effects are mostly gone for male. Sleep.
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^body vibration and neck tension are common to many psyches, and often are not representative of the chemicals themselves but are caused by the particular combination of set, setting, and subconscious. i will admit that certain chemicals are prone to cause these effects more than others, but 'body vibration' is not a medical condition that warrants serious concern :) in fact some people would consider it a positive effect.

ime, 0.5g syrian rue is hardly enough to inhibit MAO. is this an extract or concentrate? I would put plain rue seeds at 2-3g for a full inhibitory dose.
 
greenmeanies said:
^body vibration and neck tension are common to many psyches, and often are not representative of the chemicals themselves but are caused by the particular combination of set, setting, and subconscious. i will admit that certain chemicals are prone to cause these effects more than others, but 'body vibration' is not a medical condition that warrants serious concern :) in fact some people would consider it a positive effect.

ime, 0.5g syrian rue is hardly enough to inhibit MAO. is this an extract or concentrate? I would put plain rue seeds at 2-3g for a full inhibitory dose.
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Vibration/tension are common to psyches, but (for me) with this particular drug the effect is stronger than with others that I have experienced. I wouldn't call it a serious medical condition either, but by "body vibration" I mean tremors and shaking, which could definitely be "uncomfortable physical effects".

As for the syrian rue, I'm using the ground seeds. It may just be a placebo effect, but 20mg of 5-meo-dalt (oral) with 0.5g syrian rue seemed significantly stronger than 40mg of 5-meo-dalt (oral) without rue. Whether it fully inhibits MAO or not, I feel that 0.5g has at least some effect.
I am still trying to figure out a good dosage of the syrian rue with 5-meo-dalt. The next time I try it I will probably increase the rue dosage to 1g, but I like to change just one variable at a time ;)
 
venzen said:
Yes, there are some uncomfortable physical effects from the 20mg level and up. Body vibration and lots of tension in the back of the neck seem to be the most constant side effects. Nausea is also possible. Here is a trip report from a higher dose:


Summary: 80mg of 5-meo-dalt with 0.5mg of syrian rue produced a strong psychedelic experience, a definite +++. Time dilation CEVs, OEVs, and enhancement of all other senses. Slight nausea experienced by one individual, strong nauseau and vomiting experienced by the other. Body buzz/vibration noted during come-up. 5-meo-dalt has strong empatheogenic effects, and also a very sexual nature. A wonderful experience.
Duration: 5 hours.
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Cool, thanks for info. I've had fairly strong tremors on DiPT (between 80 and 150 mg ish oral) and 2C-C (between 50 and 90 mg ish oral). I guess I'll find out how bearable 5-MeO-DALT's tremors are for me as I gradually increase the dose from a sensible starting level.
 
Warning warning warning

Do not make yourselves guinea pigs.

Assuming that what I got was pure 5-meo-dalt, then the stuff gave me some serious side effects as of late.

Since a recent dose of about 40mg smoked sent me into SupraVentricular Tachycardia (SVT - a pulse over 150, 200 BPM in my case) I thought it would be very worth it to put out a warning to all you BlueLighters:

DO NOT TAKE THIS CHEMICAL IF YOU HAVE ANY FEAR OR HISTORY OF HEART TROUBLE.

I'm only mentioning this because there is another Erowid report showing adverse cardiovascular effects as well (in fact, almost the SAME effects), AND Shulgin HIMSELF noted an uneven pulse under it's influence.

I have been having episodes of SVT EVERY OTHER DAY since that dose, even without using the chem again, and it was only when I began using the chem frequently that my heart began acting up in such a way. I would not rule out the possibility that I had a predisposition to heart trouble to begin with, but I'm pretty damned sure that the "DALT" made it worse, if not made it happen. but I want everyone to get one thing out of this:

You only have one body, with one heart. Please don't take your chances on untested chemicals, and if you do, let someone know so when you die of a heart attack, we know it was the DALT.

<3

(PS: Docs put me on a beta blocker to prevent this from happening again. So far, it hasn't. God bless modern medicine)
 
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