The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-DALT Thread

[venzen]

Well I waited for the scale and will be trying some of my 5-meo-dalt out tonight. Took the scale forever to get here, the package has Chinese writing all over it so that doesn't surprise me that it took about 2 weeks.

Should I put the powder in a capsule or just under my tongue?

It tastes like burning barbie ass mixed with lemon juice, and the taste stays in your mouth forever. Cap it

 

[allium]

I think about buying 1g of this chemical. What about its empathogenic properties? How does it compare to Methylone?

 

[ChronicHD]

Parachuted some 5-Meo-Dalt the other night. Pretty good experience. Trip report here.

 

[ABCDFG I Ate The E]

I think about buying 1g of this chemical. What about its empathogenic properties? How does it compare to Methylone?

i haven't done it yet but i've read alot of reports.

pretty sure it's not as good as methylone, but it's more trippy; as in you have some visuals. it's sort of a speed, but has euphoria along with it.

 

[atara]

Almost definitely going to get some of this at some point soon. Exception being if my favorite vendor gets MDAI back in stock.

@allium: I've heard it's slightly more visual and less stimulating/entactogenic than MDMA, but otherwise surprisingly similar, considering it's a quite different structure.

I am willing to bet $100 that there has never been a single O.D. from a person who weighed out a dosage of a chemical themselves on a proper scale.

$100, please.

 

[Sentience]

Haha...You didnt take the bet though. You cant accept an offered bet AFTER the fact. Thats cheating. You should have taken the bet first THEN busted out your link. Some people would call that cheating though.


This chemical looks interesting. I am not that brave these days like I was in the everyweekend is a psychedelic festival days. I like mellow trips with no anxiety that produce euphoria with some increased talkativeness and enhanced creativity....I dont need to be caught between multiple dimensions as asteroids fly through the walls and mandalas are forming in front of my face as waves of energy are carrying geometric patterns that wash through the material plane as I see yet other entirely new worlds in my minds eye while the rest is superimposed unto the external world....that was Shrooms + Syrian Rue btw that did that for me.




Anyway.....Is 5meo-Dalt an analog of another scheduled drug? It seems unscheduled and available inside the US....I guess its not that potent and doesnt seem high priority for the drug war...the mediocre reports about how mild it is probably isnt creating enough of a frenzy....cant let people have too much fun.

 

[atara]

Anyway.....Is 5meo-Dalt an analog of another scheduled drug? It seems unscheduled and available inside the US....I guess its not that potent and doesnt seem high priority for the drug war...the mediocre reports about how mild it is probably isnt creating enough of a frenzy....cant let people have too much fun.

Arguably, it's an analog of 5-MeO-DiPT. However, the effects profile is quite different, with 5-MeO-DALT being significantly more entactogenic and less psychedelic. In theory, if you were taken to court, you might be able to defend yourself on the basis that its effects are very different from those of 5-MeO-DiPT, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet my career on it...

I'm doubting there'll be another crackdown on research chemicals for a while. As long as the DEA can keep everyone scared of methamphetamine, and no more idiots kill themselves, their existence is not in danger at the moment and they won't want to do something that requires this much effort. As for our friends across the pond - they should watch out.

 

[naginnudej]

Arguably, it's an analog of 5-MeO-DiPT. However, the effects profile is quite different, with 5-MeO-DALT being significantly more entactogenic and less psychedelic. In theory, if you were taken to court, you might be able to defend yourself on the basis that its effects are very different from those of 5-MeO-DiPT, but I certainly wouldn't want to bet my career on it...

I'm doubting there'll be another crackdown on research chemicals for a while. As long as the DEA can keep everyone scared of methamphetamine, and no more idiots kill themselves, their existence is not in danger at the moment and they won't want to do something that requires this much effort. As for our friends across the pond - they should watch out.

If you use that logic in court I can promise you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law; the second you imply intent of consumption you are breaking the law under the Analogue Act--doesn't matter if it's subjectively similar to 5-MeO-DiPT or not.

And don't think the DEA doesn't know everything that's going on right now. You sound a bit too comfortable with your situation. Please be careful before you post such blatant misinformation. Someone could make a mistake they can't take back.

 

[ChronicHD]

If you use that logic in court I can promise you will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law; the second you imply intent of consumption you are breaking the law under the Analogue Act--doesn't matter if it's subjectively similar to 5-MeO-DiPT or not.

And don't think the DEA doesn't know everything that's going on right now. You sound a bit too comfortable with your situation. Please be careful before you post such blatant misinformation. Someone could make a mistake they can't take back.

What do you mean?

 

[naginnudej]

If that logic was used in conversation with a police officer, prosecutor, etc... it would be equivalent to an admission of guilt.

 

[Sentience]

I think that a skilled lawyer could possibly make the case that it was not a true analog even if it was intended for human consumption without having the client admit to intending to consume the substance.

I wouldnt try to make this case on your own though. I would let the lawyer do it and keep your own mouth shut.

Saying nothing is best. Even if you think you have a good argument that is convincing, its best not to share it (Unless you really believe they might let you off the hook then and there which is unusual but possible). Even if you have a good argument, its best not to let the prosecution know what it is ahead of time.

 

[Xorkoth]

5-MeO-DALT, by all accounts (though I have not tried it) is a very light, subtle, entactogenic experience when taken orally, even at very high dosages for what is common for the 5-MeO-Tryptamines. But apparently when smoked it's similar in action to other powerful smoke tryptamines like DMT, except more euphoric. This is from several users' reports. I don't know what it's like via other routes, but I do know that if I ever found some in my hands, I'd smoke it.

 

[Xorkoth]

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[ChronicHD]

^ Just took it. Takes a little longer than 5 minutes (more like 10) if you take it seriously and read each question in detail. Still worth it. I like the idea of having a huge database of these. Where can we view the results?

 

[skunkjar]

Having had around 10 trips on oral 5meoDALT now, SWIM was wondering if anyone tried it with an MAOI yet. Seems like a good candidate since it is pretty mellow on it's own...

 

[ChronicHD]

Super mellow on it's own. What's the highest oral dose you've taken? Just wondering because there is that one report on Erowid where the guy took like 250mg and thought he was going to die. He made it sound like his experience was verrrrry intense for such a mellow substance. Have you ever pushed the envelope past 100mg?

 

[allium]

I don't have scale - I always used liquid measurement. So, how soluble is this chem in water and 70% alcohol?

 

[skunkjar]

There seem to be a couple batches of 5meoDALT going around in the US right now. One batch is aprox like the brown sugar looking stuff on erowid, the other is a fine white powder. The I hear it through the grapevine one is the hcl salt and the other is the freebase. Dose wise the brown sugary looking 5meoDALT is orally active at the dosages reported most places ~20mg being a "good dose" I believe this to be the hcl salt. The white powder is not active at 20 mg oral and little is noted at 50mg. It is very nice however at around 100mg This seems to be the freebase.

SWIM's favorite ROA so far with the white fluffy stuff is 80mg oral with 20mg boosters snorted as needed. It has come to me from a little bird that it is active at the 10-20 mg range when smoked. This is important when discussing 5meoDALT dosage in my opinion.

 

[ChronicHD]

There seem to be a couple batches of 5meoDALT going around in the US right now. One batch is aprox like the brown sugar looking stuff on erowid, the other is a fine white powder. The I hear it through the grapevine one is the hcl salt and the other is the freebase. Dose wise the brown sugary looking 5meoDALT is orally active at the dosages reported most places ~20mg being a "good dose" I believe this to be the hcl salt. The white powder is not active at 20 mg oral and little is noted at 50mg. It is very nice however at around 100mg This seems to be the freebase.

SWIM's favorite ROA so far with the white fluffy stuff is 80mg oral with 20mg boosters snorted as needed. It has come to me from a little bird that it is active at the 10-20 mg range when smoked. This is important when discussing 5meoDALT dosage in my opinion.

I have the white powder, and it is definitely active wayy before 100mg. Effects were easily noticed in the ~30-40mg range, so I would estimate threshold to be around ~10-20mg, at least for the stuff I have.

Also, I smoked some, around 5mg (this was before I had a milligram scale), and light effects were noticed. Will definitely be up for smoking it again when I have some free time.

 

[Xorkoth]

^ Just took it. Takes a little longer than 5 minutes (more like 10) if you take it seriously and read each question in detail. Still worth it. I like the idea of having a huge database of these. Where can we view the results?

Thanks for participating... you can't view the results yet. I'm working on that part. But there is a stickied thread labeled Community Project at the top of the forum where updated will be posted and discussion can be had.