i wonder what's gonna happen when compounds like this one day potentially become illegal? i feel like a substance that made me feel the way 4-aco-dmt did, should not be made illegal. the experience was so magical, it would be a shame if it would be impossible to obtain such a wonderful compound years down the road.
The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three
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That's the shame with psychedelics. LSD and psilocybe mushrooms have long been illegal, and it's only a matter of time before the government decides to take away all the RCs, too. I agree with you that psychedelics, out of all drugs, should not be illegal, as their effects can be profound and life-changing, usually for the better. But as for what will happen...what happened to LSD? What happened to shrooms? What happened to cannabis? You can still get them, they're just harder to find, and everything is done in secret. That's where some of these tryptamines and phenethylamines are probably headed in the near future, to black market distribution. Or if nothing else, misrepresented as acid or escstasy or something.
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acid is very mainstream, and even then it is hard to come by sometimes depending on where you're from. with so many RC's out there, a good majority of them will fall off the face of the earth forever for most of the population i feel.
question: so i recently did 4-aco-dmt again, but it was from a different source this time. the first time i received 20mg from a friend and had a very intense trip and amazing time. lots of closed eyed visuals, and the clarity of them was amazing. they were so real and distinct, and it was like i was watching a movie with my eyes closed. trees also had a very unique look to them that was very intense, and colors stood out like you wouldn't believe. the next time that i did 20mg it came from a different source, and i weighed out the dosage myself. the experience wasn't as intense though, and my thoughts didn't flow as freely on it. it was almost slightly hard to think on it if you know what i mean. i also didn't get very intense closed-eyed visuals, but they were there slightly if i concentrated on it, but definitely not as crisp looking. it was like i was waiting for the trip to really take off but it never happened to the extent that i wanted, and at the end of the trip i was pretty disappointed. i was pretty bummed about the experience. the environment around me also didn't change as much as i expected it to. the first time it felt like i was in a totally new place, but the second time everything was pretty much the same as if i were sober. the setting was also the same for both trips.
maybe the first time i got the HCL form, or maybe my friend weighed out slightly more than 20mg? maybe the quality of my product the second time was slightly less pure? i waited at least a month between trips, so i know tolerance isn't really an issue. is there a certain dose with this drug that you need to achieve in order for thoughts to flow smoothly, and maybe i just didn't reach it? should i push 30mg or 40mg next time?
i'm tripping again in a few weeks with another friend who has never tried it before, and i won't have time to test out which dose the sweet spot is at with my batch. how close do you think i am from reaching that certain "sweet spot" in order to have a good time? (judging from your experiences with lower dosages, etc. i know no one can really tell me, but some estimates would be nice). does it sound like 5 mg more is all that is needed? or would it be fine for each of us to just pop 30 or 40mg to make sure that we at least reach the minimum sweet-spot dose? it seems like with this stuff it's really hard to "over-trip" (unless you do crazy amounts), but you can definitely "under-trip" by not having enough to push you into the mentality that you're trying to reach.
acid is very mainstream, and even then it is hard to come by sometimes depending on where you're from. with so many RC's out there, a good majority of them will fall off the face of the earth forever for most of the population i feel.
question: so i recently did 4-aco-dmt again, but it was from a different source this time. the first time i received 20mg from a friend and had a very intense trip and amazing time. lots of closed eyed visuals, and the clarity of them was amazing. they were so real and distinct, and it was like i was watching a movie with my eyes closed. trees also had a very unique look to them that was very intense, and colors stood out like you wouldn't believe. the next time that i did 20mg it came from a different source, and i weighed out the dosage myself. the experience wasn't as intense though, and my thoughts didn't flow as freely on it. it was almost slightly hard to think on it if you know what i mean. i also didn't get very intense closed-eyed visuals, but they were there slightly if i concentrated on it, but definitely not as crisp looking. it was like i was waiting for the trip to really take off but it never happened to the extent that i wanted, and at the end of the trip i was pretty disappointed. i was pretty bummed about the experience. the environment around me also didn't change as much as i expected it to. the first time it felt like i was in a totally new place, but the second time everything was pretty much the same as if i were sober. the setting was also the same for both trips.
maybe the first time i got the HCL form, or maybe my friend weighed out slightly more than 20mg? maybe the quality of my product the second time was slightly less pure? i waited at least a month between trips, so i know tolerance isn't really an issue. is there a certain dose with this drug that you need to achieve in order for thoughts to flow smoothly, and maybe i just didn't reach it? should i push 30mg or 40mg next time?
i'm tripping again in a few weeks with another friend who has never tried it before, and i won't have time to test out which dose the sweet spot is at with my batch. how close do you think i am from reaching that certain "sweet spot" in order to have a good time? (judging from your experiences with lower dosages, etc. i know no one can really tell me, but some estimates would be nice). does it sound like 5 mg more is all that is needed? or would it be fine for each of us to just pop 30 or 40mg to make sure that we at least reach the minimum sweet-spot dose? it seems like with this stuff it's really hard to "over-trip" (unless you do crazy amounts), but you can definitely "under-trip" by not having enough to push you into the mentality that you're trying to reach.
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Maybe it is all about 'first trip versus others trips' thing?
I noticed that my first trips always seemed more magical than subsequent ones.
Well, yes, there some exclusions like 5-MeO-MiPT, but for the most of other drugs this statement is true.
Maybe it is all about 'first trip versus others trips' thing?
I noticed that my first trips always seemed more magical than subsequent ones.
Well, yes, there some exclusions like 5-MeO-MiPT, but for the most of other drugs this statement is true.
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no i don't think that's it, since all of the effects were slightly less intense. also, since it was hard to think as freely as i did before, this makes me assume i was a little less than where i was at the first time. i had a similar experience with a hit of acid, and even though i got some pretty good visuals, i found it hard to really let my mind expand on its own if you know what i mean. it was like for a lot of the time i was just thinking about nothing.
also, the people i tripped with both times were different. my friend who went with me the first time also had a very intense trip, and it was one of his best trips as well. the friend who accompanied me the second time had a similar experience to me, and he had also never tried this substance before. the first time both my friend and I were immobile for a short time on our tubes, because it was like we were just floored since we were tripping so hard and lost in our thoughts during the come up. the second time neither me or my friend experienced this.
no i don't think that's it, since all of the effects were slightly less intense. also, since it was hard to think as freely as i did before, this makes me assume i was a little less than where i was at the first time. i had a similar experience with a hit of acid, and even though i got some pretty good visuals, i found it hard to really let my mind expand on its own if you know what i mean. it was like for a lot of the time i was just thinking about nothing.
also, the people i tripped with both times were different. my friend who went with me the first time also had a very intense trip, and it was one of his best trips as well. the friend who accompanied me the second time had a similar experience to me, and he had also never tried this substance before. the first time both my friend and I were immobile for a short time on our tubes, because it was like we were just floored since we were tripping so hard and lost in our thoughts during the come up. the second time neither me or my friend experienced this.
Finally tried some 4-AcO this past weekend, around 35mgs. It was amazing. I was unbelievably euphoric, with intense visuals. At one point I had the very real fear of dying, but then I think I broke through by accepting it, and was thrust into a beautiful new world. A rebirth, if you will.
Definitely my best, most all-encompassing experience with psychedelics so far.
I submitted a trip report to Erowid, considering posting it here on BL.
Definitely my best, most all-encompassing experience with psychedelics so far.
I submitted a trip report to Erowid, considering posting it here on BL.
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herbata_yanga
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300 mg moclobemid + 20-30 mg 4-AcO-DMT = ++++
Total expansion of consciousness -> I overcame limits of time, space, self, other.
Priceless.
Trip way more powerful than 200 and 400 ug of super clean LSD
Total expansion of consciousness -> I overcame limits of time, space, self, other.
Priceless.
Trip way more powerful than 200 and 400 ug of super clean LSD
What is the tolerance like for this chemical?
I tried it for the first time this past Monday, and like I said in a few posts above, I absolutely loved it. My friend is visiting for a week or so, and I think we might do it again this weekend. Is that a long enough time for me not to have a noticeable tolerance?
I tried it for the first time this past Monday, and like I said in a few posts above, I absolutely loved it. My friend is visiting for a week or so, and I think we might do it again this weekend. Is that a long enough time for me not to have a noticeable tolerance?
herbata_yanga
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Yeah, go ahead and take it.
Wednesday week ago I took 2C-B, then friday I took 2C-I. This monday I took DOM, and yesterday I took 4-AcO-DMT - I didn't notice any tolerance at all and I don't know what to hink about this whole tolerance...
Wednesday week ago I took 2C-B, then friday I took 2C-I. This monday I took DOM, and yesterday I took 4-AcO-DMT - I didn't notice any tolerance at all and I don't know what to hink about this whole tolerance...
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I would wait a full week personally. Or, if you want to do it again this weekend, dose it higher than before.
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somebody correct me if i'm wrong but you didn't notice any tolerance because none of those other chemicals are tryptamines.
IamMe90
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You are mostly wrong lol, tryptamines might produce less tolerance than another phenethylamine (though this depends on the range of receptors & selectivity, among other pharmacological factors, that the drug effects) but they still still produce noticeable cross-tolerance with phenethylamine psychedelics that act on the 5ht2a receptor. Additionally, he said that he took 2c-b and 2c-i three days apart, and these are both phens.
IamMe90
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Oh alright, I still stand by the fact that taking a phen will induce cross tolerance to 4-aco-dmt, though. Goodness knows how many psychs of difference classes I've taken in close succession with tolerance experienced.
boiledfruit
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Tried 56mg 4-AcO-DMT fumarate + 32mg 2C-C (1 hour after juice was finished) mixed with Five Alive, consumed over an hour. + 25mg DPT insuffulated 1 hour after juice was finished.
Overall it was a sweet combo with really neat visuals, definitely check this out if you are curious. I would do more DPT next time and maybe 40/40mg each instead.
Overall it was a sweet combo with really neat visuals, definitely check this out if you are curious. I would do more DPT next time and maybe 40/40mg each instead.
Enter Galactic
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These must be expert only doses. I would probably not do 56mg of 4-AcO-DMT on it's own. That is far past breaking through for me.
boiledfruit
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I wouldn't say I'm more experienced, just have a bit of a tolerance right now. Plus taking it over an hour really mellowed it down.
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There's nothing expert about it. Take what you need to get effects that work for you. I have taken pretty big doses before but I pretty much always prefer to dose moderately.
Are you familiar with moclobemide and DMT by itself herbata? Notice any similarity between the 4-ac0 and an oral DMT trip? I always find moclo and mushrooms are the same as an oral DMT trip. I hope to be giving moclo and 4aco a try in the near future!
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No, I'll try Pharmahuasca and Psilocybe Cubensis this month, but my buddy told me that for him that at certain doses 4-AcO-DMT trip is simillar to Pharmahuasca. Anyway I suggest you to try that combo (300 moclo + ~25 4-AcO-DMT), it is frakkin epic.
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