The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

[herbata_yanga]

IME mushroom body load is more energetic (+ some weird feeling in stomach for a short while).
4-AcO-DMT body load is gentler. Both are amazing.

 

[Enter Galactic]

Wish I could compare them, but unfortunately I haven't had mushrooms yet. The people who I have tripped with on 4-AcO-DMT that have taken mushrooms said that it was almost exactly like mushrooms but with way less body load.

 

[Mr.Toad]

I have to say that I love the visual aspect that 4-AcO-DMT is providing. But it's like apples and oranges...I like them both for different reasons.

 

[linktolinc]

personly i feel 25mg is allright but its not a very long trip so i would prefair 2 take more. and yea defo its relly simler 2 shrooms. shrooms last longer and i think a bit more intence but its hard 2 tell how much ur take with shrooms.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Oh alright, I still stand by the fact that taking a phen will induce cross tolerance to 4-aco-dmt, though. Goodness knows how many psychs of difference classes I've taken in close succession with tolerance experienced.

^ Agreed, and I stand by everything you said about the action on 5ht2a receptors being response for tolerance rather than whether a psychedelic is phenethylamine or tryptamine.

However, I can explain what herbata_yanga may have experienced. I've noticed that tryptamines seem to a much stronger tolerance, and tripping 2-3 days after a previous trip often leaves you severely underwhelmed even if you up for dose. The same doesn't seem to be as true for phenethylamines, in some cases I was tripping days in a row with 2C-E and it took several days before I had to really change my dose at all. I also think that's why you occasionally here of people using 2C-E and other phenethylamines way too often (Kind of like I did), but you rarely if ever hear the same for tryptamines. Maybe phenethylamines exert less action on 5ht2a receptors and more elsewhere? I'm not a scientist or an expert on the matter so I'd be interested if anyone has more detailed information on this phenomenon.

Back on topic though, it's been a while since my last 4-AcO-DMT trip, I still have so much sitting around. I turn 19 on the 16th and I'm thinking about dosing say 30mg of the fumarate. The thing is I'm rather worried by my past negative experiences that this'll turn out the same way.. If a life issue was brought up in a trip, and I experienced severely negative experiences because I hadn't dealt with this issue - is there any way to still enjoy a trip while the issue still persists? Long story short, I had extremely bad social anxiety, couldn't even leave the house because it scared me too much. Now I can, and I even went clubbing a couple of weeks ago - but I'm still not fully over it, haven't really made any new friends here yet. Going by that I'd expect my experience to still be negative, but not so severe as previously, I'm just wondering if there's any way of avoiding the negativity entirely, as I miss the euphoric empathogenic experiences I originally had with 4-AcO-DMT.

 

[boiledfruit]

I like them both for different reasons. I don't think the 2 are very similar at all. The visuals are different (at least from cubensis I've eaten) and there are not nearly as many body sensations. During the comeup, mushrooms have me writhing around feeling amazing, whereas 4-AcO just gets me high. I remain a lot more clear headed on 4-AcO and communicating is a breeze.

Can't choose which one I like more, that's like trying to decide which one of you love the most!

 

[guerillabedlam]

Shrooms were my first psychedelic trip so they hold a special place in my heart and I've had many great experiences with them. I find 4-aco dmt like a hollowed out shroom trip, I don't necessarily mean that in a negative way it's just a little bit less chaotic for me and not quite as full on and overwhelming.

But Taking 4-aco dmt rectally makes it much more hallucinogenic in my experience compared to taking it orally.

 

[linktolinc]

4-ACO-DMT relly does teast bad like. i herd u can get chemical burns under your tounge also but i think shrooms are more intence and it relly does feel better eatin them when uv pick them yourself xD i will say shrooms are better but 4-aco-dmt but is good also but the are diffrent i get a real mad feelin im ma tummy when iv takein it sorta like iv butterflys in my tummy but it feels real nice any1 else feel this way?

 

[ephrem]

Use the trip to work through negative issues. Done right, psychedelics are wonderful teachers. You'll be amazed at the difference a healing trip can make.

 

[linktolinc]

Use the trip to work through negative issues. Done right, psychedelics are wonderful teachers. You'll be amazed at the difference a healing trip can make.

yes defo espeshly if ur on your own you relly get a chance 2 think things thru and things are showin in a new light.

 

[Axed]

^4-AcO tastes as bad as any other research chemical, because, well, they're chemicals. You'd only chance chemical burns if you take it sublingually.

I've personally never done shrooms, but I love 4-aco! It's currently my favorite psychedelic. So euphoric, visual, and introspective. Pretty much everything I look for in a drug. The only drawback I have is that although people say 4-aco has less of a bodyload than shrooms, I still get crazy nauseous on the come up.

 

[iROLL22]

Mushrooms on pizza make me puke and eating cubensis make me puke that much harder and I get an extremely intense body load on shrooms but 4-aco-dmt is like a walk in the park and no body load whatsoever. Only 2 things make me puke..beer and shrooms

 

[Axed]

less bodyload is a bad thing? the one time i've done shrooms (1.8 g tea)the bodyload was so strong (stronger than any drug I've tried- and bodyload isn't body high-it's more of an uncomfortably heavy buzzing/high feeling all over your body) I didn't know which way down or up, (not necessarily bad in some ways) but the reason why I am interested in 4 aco is because it seems much more palatable as an alternative to shrooms if you are going on a nature walk, since it seems more controllable etc. and I won't periodically be coming to my knees from a bodyload wave during my nature journeys. Also it's interesting one of you say it's hollow because I hear it's even more spiritual than shrooms, maybe because of the DMT like aspect? Oh yeah, is the comedown the same as shrooms? Like possibly a headache the next day or during comedown and that's it?

Less bodyload should be a good thing, but my body never seems happy when I feed it psychedelics of any kind. On the come-up I feel like I'm perpetually at the point of puking, but I've never thrown up. However, once I've come up, the nausea subsides, and the body load is negligible. On a low dose, you could definitely go on a nature walk. I would actually love to do that very thing sometime.
I've found the comedown to be fairly gentle. I see it as something is gently plucking you out of 4-aco world, and placing you back into the real world. I don't really experience any headaches or anything. Maybe just a sense of heaviness/wanting to lay down. Oh and a strange urge to be with my family, or at least curled up in a ball in my bed.

 

[avcpl]

Originally Posted by Tunnelfission
Will anyone elaborate on why 4-AcO-DMT may degrade into 4-HO-DMT after time and possibly improper storage> i've had some at room temperature for 8 months or more. I'm not saddened by loss of potency as I'm sure it still works just wondering how and why it degrades?

Water can attack the carbonyl of the acetoxy group.Water can attack the carbonyl of the acetoxy group.

So if I mixed a solution in distilled water and then froze that solution, would the freezing prevent the degradation?

 

[linktolinc]

shrooms relly are a head fuck like u get paranoyed on them its even worse when your smokein grass. could be overwelming if uv never take them befor but yea u feel shit the nixt day. when u feel like sick on them it ushly means its hittin you. iv only takein i type of shroom and thats liberty caps and i took a lot of them 300 or soo. i didet get a comdown of dmt at all like. and i would say 2 give the shrooms a wash and eat them hole is best way.

 

[Apollo Matta]

4 aco dmt and shrooms i have heard are very similar,
its what youd think would come along with :crystal shrooms"
less nausea, more even onset,
more accurate doseing,
they both have their own character,
4 aco dmt is definitely worth trying
friend of mine has some,
going to trade for some later this year,
if its anything like shrooms,
yes mindfuck galore,
bodily high (uncomfort?)
depends shrooms are very unpredictable for me.

4 ho mipt and 4 aco dmt, are sound great though,
readily available,
and high quality,
can you say that for the majority of shrooms out there?
unless you grown your own or know someone,
but even then,
finding a master shroom grower is harder than it sounds.
ive had some pretty shitty shrooms..

 

[linktolinc]

i gess im so lucky they grow in the park infornt of my house in the crickit pitch shroom season soon like hopefully its as good as last years. btw is it true that dryed shrooms are weaker than fresh 1s bescause i read somewere tht dryed shrooms may only be half as strong but iv been told by people tht have been pickin them for years this is aload of shit.

 

[boiledfruit]

i gess im so lucky they grow in the park infornt of my house in the crickit pitch shroom season soon like hopefully its as good as last years. btw is it true that dryed shrooms are weaker than fresh 1s bescause i read somewere tht dryed shrooms may only be half as strong but iv been told by people tht have been pickin them for years this is aload of shit.

They don't lose potency when dried. If you eat them fresh you will have to eat more by weight.

 

[phatass]

I found 4-ACO-DMT to be better coz its more stable less of a rollercaoster and a more consistent high

 

[kingme]

for me 4 aco dmt is a nice trip, but mushrooms are like an adventure. sure, they are more unpredictable, more emotional, less accurate in dosing, but they are more satisfying overall. i also find the afterglow of mushrooms to be more positive but i will concede that 4acodmt might perform better in social situations, as in, trying it friends.