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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

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Did you observe any physical changes in the material at all - change in color or consistency? How do you store your sample?
 
Is there any data on the long-term stability of this chemical? I know many Tryptamines can degrade with time, I wonder whether this will too. I read somewhere a comment that it was very stable, but was not quantified in any way.
 
recently me and my friend have been trying a combination of 4-and-co. (4-aco-dmt) and 2ci (synthescalin). the other weekend i made up some caps which contained 23mg of 4-aco, and 18 mg 2ci.

we started the evening listening to some music and just relaxing, dropped it all at about 8 o clock.
we felt the first effects of the 4-aco within ten minutes (empty stomach) and everything was smooth and shiny, as always for me and this superb substance. we played with the bricks and curtains for about 40 more minutes before we both felt the 2ci, we both felt as if someone had just turned all the lights on, or we'd only just opened our eyes or we'd been looking down all night and suddenly realised that we could look up, and view it all.
So we proceeded to view the world for the second time, as if what we'd been amazed at for 20 minutes was nothing in comparison the exact same things, but NOW.

absolutely amazing time. lasted a good length of time, no bad body untill toward the end and then twas only slight discomfort in back and fatigue i think.

Bloody Lovely!!
 
Psymask said:
recently me and my friend have been trying a combination of 4-and-co. (4-aco-dmt) and 2ci (synthescalin). the other weekend i made up some caps which contained 23mg of 4-aco, and 18 mg 2ci.

we started the evening listening to some music and just relaxing, dropped it all at about 8 o clock.
we felt the first effects of the 4-aco within ten minutes (empty stomach) and everything was smooth and shiny, as always for me and this superb substance. we played with the bricks and curtains for about 40 more minutes before we both felt the 2ci, we both felt as if someone had just turned all the lights on, or we'd only just opened our eyes or we'd been looking down all night and suddenly realised that we could look up, and view it all.
So we proceeded to view the world for the second time, as if what we'd been amazed at for 20 minutes was nothing in comparison the exact same things, but NOW.

absolutely amazing time. lasted a good length of time, no bad body untill toward the end and then twas only slight discomfort in back and fatigue i think.

Bloody Lovely!!
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sounds like a fun trip! i prefer mixing these than tripping on 2c-i by itself, the trip isn't deep enough without the 4-aco
 
agree entirely, the 4-aco adds a lot of colour indeed.

It is a shame that 4-aco doesnt last as long though, its so smooth a trip and the only way i'v made it last for a long time is by taking allot, which is good, but sometimes i feel like i want a lower intensity for a lot longer time.

does anyone know of anything which has the potential to elongate its effects(other than the hour or so a boost gives you), or a substance similar in effects which does last longer.
 
rainey said:
Tried 14mg last night and didnt like it at all. Any good effects were overshadowed by anxiety and it felt to me just another very very crude imitation of lsd. From ingestion by bomb to sudden rapid drop off lasted 4hrs exactly.

Compared to the beautiful smoothness of 25c nbome this stuff is crap.

Walls were breathing curtains rippling but the CEV`s were `flashes` too quick and changing so rapid and some weird entity kept popping up spoiling the images. I would see something i liked but then it would change so fast i didnt get time to focus on what it was. Lots of sparkly type visuals but like i say crude crude crude acid feeling. Troubled sleep but no come down whatsoever. No trace at all that i was `on something` last night.

Glad i only bought 250mg!
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Yes the 4-AcO-DMT entities are very strange and mischievous, but I rather enjoy the trip regardless.
 
drugs said:
Did you observe any physical changes in the material at all - change in color or consistency? How do you store your sample?
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No change in color. Sample was stored in original bag in metal film canister in drawer. A TLC showed only one spot but that might be due to similarities in solubility of 4-Aco-DMT and the other compound.
 
damn I had the worst trip imaginable last night. Railed around 8 mgs 4-aco and then ate 22 mgs. It was super intense for the first hour after I started feeling the oral dose; it was actually really really good and then my trip completely flipped around and I went to hell :(. Might write a trip report later.
 
Ok, so about 2 weekends ago i did my first 4-aco-dmt trip. me and my buddy both dosed 20mg that i received from a fried.

got my own this time, so assuming the potency is the same, will 20mg still be my sweet spot 15 days after the experience? or is 21 or 22mg going to be a much better time? how different do the effects get with each few mg's you bump it up?

also, i noticed i was slightly more sober during the trip than my friend was (not sober, but he definitely was tripping very slightly harder than I was). not sure if it was due to error in the kid that weighted the dosages, or if maybe he was slightly more sensitive to tryptamines. if i'm going to have 2 new friends with me on my next experience, who've only done mushies like once and didnt really trip. i've done lsd once, and dmt over 20 times, but i hadn't done any DMT or lsd for at least 2 months or more before trying 4-aco-dmt. does this mean my tryptamine tolerance was at baseline? or does that mean i'm slightly more able to handle tryptamiens due to my past experience, and i should dose their doses slightly less?
 
There seems to be a definite variance in "sweet spots" as far as dosage goes. For me it was 20mg for others it's upwards of 30mg etc. I'd say just up your dose by 2mg or so until you find a level you're comfortable with. Remember it's always better to take too little than too much.

As for the tolerance I'd say you'd be fine with the same dose get where you were before. You shouldn't have any tolerance built up after 2 whole weeks. It's generally accepted that only 5-7 days are needed to clear your head for another trip thoroughly.
 
In my opinion, the experience will absolutely be stronger going from 20mg to 22mg. For me 20mg and 25mg has been the difference between a more mushroom like trip where my head remains in reality and a DMT like trip where I travel to an alternate dimension.
 
Enter Galactic said:
In my opinion, the experience will absolutely be stronger going from 20mg to 22mg. For me 20mg and 25mg has been the difference between a more mushroom like trip where my head remains in reality and a DMT like trip where I travel to an alternate dimension.
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thank you for that advice. i'm basically stuck with a sackful of powder, and think i will have to spend some time this weekend constructing one of those homemade micro-gram scales so that i don't end up fucking everyone into an alternate dimension. 5mg is practically nothing, and that sounds like it's very easy to accidentally have an extra 4 or 5 mg in a measured out dose.

i was thinking of bumping up my dose, but i think i may just keep it to 20mg then, that way i can watch over the other individuals and make sure everyone is ok.

plus, the kid i originally scored from probably didn't have the best scale, and who's to say i didn't really get like 17mg in my capsule, and my friend got 23mg in his?

i know there are threads on making the homemade scale, but does anyone have an personal experience with one of the homemade ones? like how long did it take to make? and how well did it work out for you?

also, it looks like i may be making my own calibration weights as well.
 
i strongly suggest you just buy a 0.001g scale. see the big and dandy scale thread.

you should not be performing your first laboratory balance practice on chemicals active in the 20mg range. order a $20 scale and practice with powdered sugar before you dose your friends.
 
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but from the light research i did on that thread, those scales can be pretty inaccurate, and the only way you're going to get a decent one is if you spend over $200 or so i thought.

if constructed properly, i thought the homemade ones were supposed to be much more accurate? also, there's a couple variations to them too. some involve different types of piano wire that can be easily obtained.

i'll have to do some more research on it tomorrow night when i have more time.

don't worry though, i will not be dosing anyone until i am 100% confident in the measurements. (shit.. if only i was still working in the lab this summer. we had micro-gram scales in there that were well over $700, and that would have been such a huge convenience for dosing accordingly. actually come to think of it they measured 4 decimal places, so that's probably even a step above microgram?.)
 
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