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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Three

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hello

whats the difference between the hydrocloride and fumarate..? (in regard to dosage and consume form) please tell :)
 
Korn3x said:
thank you for that advice. i'm basically stuck with a sackful of powder, and think i will have to spend some time this weekend constructing one of those homemade micro-gram scales so that i don't end up fucking everyone into an alternate dimension. 5mg is practically nothing, and that sounds like it's very easy to accidentally have an extra 4 or 5 mg in a measured out dose.

i was thinking of bumping up my dose, but i think i may just keep it to 20mg then, that way i can watch over the other individuals and make sure everyone is ok.

plus, the kid i originally scored from probably didn't have the best scale, and who's to say i didn't really get like 17mg in my capsule, and my friend got 23mg in his?

i know there are threads on making the homemade scale, but does anyone have an personal experience with one of the homemade ones? like how long did it take to make? and how well did it work out for you?

also, it looks like i may be making my own calibration weights as well.
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Well, I use a cheap mg scale, but I do a couple of things to try and get as accurate a measurement as possible. I always calibrate my scale each time I weigh something, I weigh it in a room where there is no air flowing (turn off a/c, fans, and close windows), and I weigh each dose more than once (until I am confident that it's correct). It's pretty tedious to work with actually, but it gets the job done if you are patient. It's still definitely possible to be off by a mg or two, but if you are careful you can be sure you aren't off by 4 or 5mg.

It is possible that your friend is more sensitive to it. It does seem that people can react very differently to it (as with any psychedelic). I have heard people talk about taking 40-50mg like it's no big deal, but a 45mg dose is not something I can foresee myself ever doing again after my experience with it.

wiffz said:
hello

whats the difference between the hydrocloride and fumarate..? (in regard to dosage and consume form) please tell :)
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From wikipedia:
The ratio of hydrochloride to fumarate is approximately .93:1

So 18.6mg of the hydrochloride is the same potency as 20mg of the fumarate. The fumarate is more stable though and will be better for storing it long term.

As far as the ROA goes, most people choose oral either way. Snorting doesn't seem to have any advantages. IV is reported to be very intense, and might be worthwhile if you can do it properly. Smoking would probably work best if it was converted to the freebase. There are a couple of reports on smoking the fumarate, which is said to have little effect, however, I plan to test that in the near future.
 
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I also have never had dosing accidents with a $20 scale. proper laboratory technique goes a long way to ensuring consistent measurements.
 
I received a sample from one of the biggest vendors. One year ago their batch was white and didn't produce any bodyload. Now they have brown 4-aco-dmt. It creates strong bodyload and effects are lighter than first batch. Anybody knows what is the reason? Degradation and impurities?
 
aMT + 4-AcO-DMT is a fantastic combo.

Usually, 4-aco-dmt by itself does not produce very strong effects for me, but combined with amt it changes into something amazing.
 
Penthos said:
Had a strange thing happen to me on my last trip. Had a kind of "splitting" feeling. It's tough to explain but I'll do mah best :D

Most tryptamine psyconauts know of the rushes that occur in the back of your next/base of your skull. For me it's usually every 5 minutes or so and only when I'm relaxed (ie meditating or [what I was doing on this occasion] listening to music in the dark in my bed). When I peaked this rushing sensation when from once in awhile to maybe once a minute. I really don't mind the feeling, I should say. But what happened next gave me a bad jolt. The rushes started getting more and more frequent and eventually they coalesced into one continuous head/neck rush that was insanely intense. It felt like, if I'd let it, it would've split the back of my head (but not in a painful way...this is the "tough-to-explain" part).

I kind of wish I had remained seated and entranced just to see what happened but in my delicate state of mind at the time I somehow pieced together the idea that I might have had a small seizure. thinking about it now I know exactly how I came to that idea (head rushes felt similar to Brain Zaps [but not the same] and I'd read on wiki that brain zaps can be mini-seizures or precursors to).

I'd like to believe I was about to be projected into ego-loss but I can't imagine only 22mg putting me into that state.

Finding out more and more about this chemical every time :D Loving this. Even that trip which was, for the most part, unpleasant and confusing, was a learning experience and I'm glad I had it.
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i had to chime in on this post. i've had the brain zaps happen before on a moderate dose of mdma and shrooms....not fun at all. i thought my brain was shorting out..slightly painful,hella scary. i've also had the burning head rushes happen on shrooms. they began back in the day when i would trip 3-4 times a month. after the rushes started i gave up trippin for a while(year or so) then i got into DMT and noticed i have the head rushes on DMT. they only tend to happen if i focus on a thought too hard.i have to relax and just let the trip happen.if i try to form a thought i can feel the rush began to build.one thing i have to note is i have never had a painful headrush on a phenethylamine(mescaline,any 2c-x or dox) i also never have them with other tryptamines,just something with DMT in the name.i tried aco-dmt the other day for the first time and i could feel the onset of the headrush but i just relaxed my mind and they never built to their painful climax.i have a small mountian of this chem now and at my tripping rate( twice a year) i'll have enough to last me a lifetime.
 
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unfortunately, i don't think the chemical can be stored indefinitely. there are ways to increase it's shelf-life though, so maybe look into those to make it last as long as possible. either that or share some with a few close friends to enjoy the experience with.

i also got brain zaps on 4-aco-dmt. it happened only once or twice though. it was slightly painful, and only lasted for around 5 seconds each time(altho who knows, it could have just been a split second, but felt like 5 seconds lol). it was a very noticeable thing though. it happened on the right side of my brain, and kind of located near a back quadrant or something. i wasn't too worried about it though. i hope it's nothing.

Penthos said:
Most tryptamine psyconauts know of the rushes that occur in the back of your next/base of your skull. For me it's usually every 5 minutes or so and only when I'm relaxed (ie meditating or [what I was doing on this occasion] listening to music in the dark in my bed). When I peaked this rushing sensation when from once in awhile to maybe once a minute. I really don't mind the feeling, I should say. But what happened next gave me a bad jolt. The rushes started getting more and more frequent and eventually they coalesced into one continuous head/neck rush that was insanely intense. It felt like, if I'd let it, it would've split the back of my head (but not in a painful way...this is the "tough-to-explain" part).
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i too noticed the rushing feeling. it felt kind of cool though, and to me it felt similar to free falling. it only really happened during the come-up, but it was pretty intense, and it would definitely take you by surprise lol.
 
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Wow! Guys took your time on that one, eh ;) j/k

Yeah that was a bit of an experience. Like I said it was neither painful or uncomfortable it was just...disquieting. Since it was a new sensation to have a continuous head rush/splitting thing goin' on. As mentioned I actually quite enjoy those in moderation during a tryptamine trip :)
 
Penthos said:
Wow! Guys took your time on that one, eh ;) j/k

Yeah that was a bit of an experience. Like I said it was neither painful or uncomfortable it was just...disquieting. Since it was a new sensation to have a continuous head rush/splitting thing goin' on. As mentioned I actually quite enjoy those in moderation during a tryptamine trip :)
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another sensation i felt that was unique was what i can best describe as "electric teeth". i felt it for several minutes (maybe more) on several occasions during the trip.

anyways, the "electric teeth" feeling almost felt like i had energy running through my teeth, and it's very hard to describe, but was rather unique. it wasn't painful like the brain zaps, but it was rather peculiar.
 
Diving in on 20mg tonight. Somewhere around 3-5th trip on the substance, only the second trip I've had in around a year. Just dosed about 2 minutes ago at 20mg, which may or may not be sufficient for a good visual trip, as I've also has my 2mg of prescribed Xanax over the past 3 hours or so, and it may suppress some elements of the trip, but I'm hopeful. Also on Suboxone, which can definitely lower anxiety and sometimes other elements of trips, but I'm currently working on lowering my dose, so it might not work all that well. Mood is relaxed and I'm looking forward to an interesting mental experience if nothing else. Will probably report back if trip is good.
 
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walk around your neighborhood outside, preferably where there's more of a woodsy-type area.
 
It ended up being a decent trip. Not heavy visually, but had an interesting mindfuck and gave me the best case of the giggles I've had since my early days with cannabis or LSD. It ended up not being a huge learning experience, but it was a lot of fun. It seems that my experiences with this compound differs a lot from many other reports, as I don't get many visuals, and I typically find it to be a pretty surface-level, fun, hedonistic psychedelic. There are brief moments of deep insight and spirituality, sure, but it's nothing like an intense LSD trip where deep inner and universal truths come shooting at me in all directions, and my world is melting, twisting, morphing, and reshaping more than I can keep up with. I hope to achieve that type of trip with 4-Aco-DMT someday, but so far it reminds me more of something like 2C-C, which I find purely pleasurable and not very deep. The biggest differences are that 2C-C is a lot heavier on the visuals, and 4-Aco-DMT is heavily intoxicating and makes me uncontrollably laugh and forget how to perform certain functions.
 
does 4-aco-DMT occur in nature?

the other psychoactive DMTs have been found to occur in nature (DMT, 5-meo-DMT, 5-ho-DMT, 4-ho-DMT)

i was hella surprised to recently find out methamphetamine occurs in nature

as for the theory it all gets converted to 4-ho-DMT (psilocin) i don't think it is fully true, as many find a varying duration of effects, and some find the effects to be different from pure psilocin, whilst some find the effects to be more like a middleground between n,n,DMT and mushrooms
 
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Korn3x said:
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but from the light research i did on that thread, those scales can be pretty inaccurate, and the only way you're going to get a decent one is if you spend over $200 or so i thought.
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Yeah you're definitely going to want to spend the money on a decent scale. I bought one of those $20 ones a few years ago and I've never been able to use it, it was so unreliable.
 
I've been doing a lot of reading on this drug, and I look forward to purchasing it in the near future. However, as I read some of the older Big & Dandy threads on it, I noticed a lot of variations in dosage.

I have had 2C-E trips at ~25-30mg, and they were beautiful. I'd say they were both +++. I loved every second, and only had a brief moment of fear the first time I tried it, but it passed very quickly. Based off of this, what would be an appropriate range of doses for me to take and have an equally strong and wonderful trip?
 
Yea this one I have found to have a lot of variation in dosage for different people as well. Me personally I require 35mg+ to get where I want to be. A few of my friends on the other hand I give them 20-25mg and they are blown away. Really you should play it safe and start on the lower end of dosage range and see how sensitive you are.
 
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