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The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCP Thread - Mad Manic Meo 3nity

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I dosed 6mg of 3-MeO-PCP yesterday, and then a 2mg booster nasally. It was a very strange day... this stuff doesn't produce any euphoria for me at least at these dosages. I was dissociated for sure. At first I just hung around my house and cooked a dish for Thanksgiving tonight, and then I cleaned/organized... I am working on a room I have been using as a storage room for a couple of years since my ex-wife moved out. I was boxing up her stuff from in there (she still has a bunch of stuff at my house), and I started having this weird experience where that period of my life and this one were becoming muddled and confused... my current girlfriend and her were merging in my mind. It was quite offputting and uncomfortable because that was a bad period of my life, and this is a good one. It made me feel sad that my girlfriend and her were mixing in my mind because she was really terrible to me and my girl now is wonderful. It's hard to describe the experience but it left me unsettled.

Then later I played poker with my friends and drank some alcohol, which turned it around a lot and I had a lot of fun, but it was still kind of overall a weird feeling. I'm not too sure how I feel about 3-MeO-PCP. I certainly vastly prefer MXE. I haven't detected any magical sort of feelings with this one at all.
 
What do you guys think of this statement? Is it true or BS?

PCP is addictive and its use often leads to psychological dependence, craving, and compulsive PCP-seeking behavior. Users of PCP report memory loss, difficulties with speech and learning, depression, and weight loss. These symptoms can persist up to a year after cessation of PCP use.

http://www.drugs.com/illicit/pcp.html
 
True I'd say.

Is it that much different from what we see with ketamine or MXE abuse?
 
red22 said:
What do you guys think of this statement? Is it true or BS?

PCP is addictive and its use often leads to psychological dependence, craving, and compulsive PCP-seeking behavior. Users of PCP report memory loss, difficulties with speech and learning, depression, and weight loss. These symptoms can persist up to a year after cessation of PCP use.

http://www.drugs.com/illicit/pcp.html
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I can't believe no one has said it yet; PCP is not 3-MEO-PCP. I personally experience the opposite of these symptoms, things are crystallized, jovial, and abundant. And that these 'symptoms' persist after cessation of the drug.
 
Subtle differences at source can create great differences in the final outcome. Chaos theory, Butterfly effect et. al.
So even if in this case it is *basically* the same, subtlety speaks volumes.
 
vortech said:
I can't believe no one has said it yet; PCP is not 3-MEO-PCP. I personally experience the opposite of these symptoms, things are crystallized, jovial, and abundant. And that these 'symptoms' persist after cessation of the drug.
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Well yes at first and perhaps not until one really abuses the drug for a while, at lower doses and without chronic use the dopaminergic effects can indeed be stimulating, clearheaded and promote enthousiasm without the blankness takes over which happens at higher doses... but still, when taking the drug too much and then stopping I wouldn't be surprised if depression can become an issue just as much as with other DRI abuse and pretty much all other NMDA antagonists that I know of can cause problems with speech and learning if taken too far.

That quote from red22 should say 'its abuse' rather than 'its use' to be correct.

Still, don't confuse the initial effects at moderate doses with chronic effects or those of high doses. In most respects PCP should not be too different from 3-MeO-PCP and especially not opposite to it.

You are definitely entitled to be an enthousiast but don't be ignorant about potential dark sides.
 
3-MeO-PCP doesn't start to shine for me til like 15mg-20mg. every once in awhile 10mg would hit me a lot harder than i expected, tho. max for me to keep myself under control is probably 30mg. my dosages are all probably a bit higher than average tho, especially the max dosage.
 
pharmakos said:
3-MeO-PCP doesn't start to shine for me til like 15mg-20mg. every once in awhile 10mg would hit me a lot harder than i expected, tho. max for me to keep myself under control is probably 30mg. my dosages are all probably a bit higher than average tho, especially the max dosage.
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So would you say its nature changes around 15-20mg? Because at 10 or less it makes me feel a little like I'm just there... music sounds grainy and like it's coming through some hollow tube, and I often don't have a lot to say. I don't feel stimulated or sedated, but definitely dissociated, but in this neutral sort of way that's almost a little boring, and also occasionally a little unpleasant. No hints of magic, it just feels like I'm on drugs. When I did 6mg recently then a 2-3mg nasal boost, I had a mind trip during the peak but it seemed relatively psychotic in nature, with strange phrases and tunes rolling around my head and feelings of different parts of my life merging together which in that instance was disturbing to me (though that was setting-based I think since I spent it packing up some of my ex's stuff). I'd love to experience some of the effects people describe but if it's just going to be a stronger version of the same, I'm not sure I want to bother.
 
i wouldn't so much say that its nature changes, but that its nature kind of reveals itself -- after my high dose trips, 10mg is much more defined and less transparent. just kind of hand to adjust my brain to the right frequency.

i should also note that i almost always smoke a cannabinoid of some sort (natural or synthetic) when i take 3-MeO-PCP. which definitely adds color to the experience.

i did read about that bit with your ex- and your current girl merging into one in your memory, that would be very disturbing. never had anything like that happen...
 
I've had the girlfriend merging experience with MXE... It's a mindfuck, but not necessarily an unpleasant one. But weird. 3-MeO-PCP shines with prolonged (ab)use but it's a dangerous road. Usually one night of 3-MeO doesn't really do the trick but I have to use few days of dosing in a row to get into the "flow" of the brain melt, bliss, manageable psychosis and hypomania. Now all out of the stuff, good time to take a break but there's more coming soon. Bliss. Take care folks.
 
Too serotonergic to be very safe and or pleasan with MDMA, at least in full doses of each. Smaller doses could work, but tread the titration lightly. Stronger serotonin effect than MXE (which tends to be fine in moderation with a half dose of MDMA, 75mg). I can only guess safe doses.
 
pharmakos said:
i should also note that i almost always smoke a cannabinoid of some sort (natural or synthetic) when i take 3-MeO-PCP. which definitely adds color to the experience.
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I feel like this is an understatement. I've come to the conclusion that, for me, what I've in the past considered magical and psychedelic about dissociatives, has actually been cannabis psychedelia, vastly enhanced and augmented by dissociatives. I know that this isn't true for everybody, but for me this is where the magic is. If your only experiences are in combo with weed, that may be pretty crucial to the nature of these experiences.
 
I generally combine with weed too, and I have both times I've done 3-MeO-PCP. Weed definitely synergizes with dissociatives, no doubt. When I used to do DXM sometimes I never did it without weed. I will say with MXE I used to experience the magic without weed, or with it, but sometimes adding weed made it too intense.
 
vortech said:
Too serotonergic to be very safe and or pleasan with MDMA, at least in full doses of each. Smaller doses could work, but tread the titration lightly. Stronger serotonin effect than MXE (which tends to be fine in moderation with a half dose of MDMA, 75mg). I can only guess safe doses.
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Any data to back it up? I thought MXE was more serotogenic than 3meo and that works well with MDMA in normal dosages. I might have to be the guinea pig I'm thinking 5-10 mg 3meo then 75-100 mg MDMA 3 hours after dosing the 3meo
 
Edit after looking at binding data: Given the similar numbers and reports of success/danger in MXE/MDMA trials, I would say 75mg MDMA if 10mg 3-Meo-PCP, but up to 100mg MDMA if 5-8mg 3-Meo-PCP, 2-4 hours later after dosing the 3-Meo-PCP (depending how much interaction you are seeking)

You can always do more but never less, unless you have some black charcoal on hand ;x Numbers may be able to be pushed up safely, but since no one has chimed in yet, go with the more conservative estimate please!
 
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