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The Big & Dandy 2C-P Thread

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I understand this. I've been a Bluelighter since 2004 for christ's sake. But seriously, if Shulgin says to be careful, be careful, because his doses are almost ALWAYS on the low side of things... If he thought it important to stop at 16mg because of that experience, there was a reason...
 
cybion, not to naysay too much, but do you have a tolerance at all? i've got a feeling you do. i took up to 20mg or so of 2C-P (i think it was 22mg) but i was dosing every three or four days at that period so i had a tolerance built up. it didn't feel toxic at that dose though, but effects were definitely diminished.
 
Magickalkat, please, do not think that I was downplaying anything at all, I will definitely say yes yes yes you MUST be careful, there's NO way someone should jump in at a 16mg dose, it's stupid. But you should not scare people into thinking that 16mg is an overdose when it's clearly not. It's simply too much for some people to handle, which is understandable, because don't get me wrong, it's POWERFUL

thenightwatch, no sir. this was actually my third time using 2c-p the last time being maybe 2 weeks ago. So I'm inclined to say that no, I had no tolerance at the time I took it.

My first dose was 4mg plugged my second was 10mg oral, and this last one was 16mg oral, I don't think I'll be going any higher for a long long time with this compound, I feel I've found my limit for now.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Cybion, what scale do you have?
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American Weigh Gemini-20 for now, since it was fairly cheap and not too bad of a scale, however I don't trust it with such low amounts so I actually measured the full amount a few times, (262mg) and diluted it all in 131mL of a distilled water/everclear mix, that way I would feel better about the measurements. I just didn't feel right measuring out 10mg and getting 9-11mg
 
I'm on methylone right now so I can't do the math but there is still a margin of error... you could have had 15mg... just saying. This one seems to be really dose sensitive...

Certainly the steepest dose/response curve I've ever seen... and I thought 2C-E was bad.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Tight chest, static electricity... that doesn't sound so great to me.

And no worries... I have no plans to take more than 3mg my first time... 2mg if I can get the scale to register it (GemPro250 - very accurate scale but doesn't USUALLY pick up such a slight difference - but that's what putting powder in capsules is for).
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When I weigh, I tare with the scale empty but use a gelcap to hold the powder. Weigh it empty three times, fill and weigh until you get where you want, then pour it into a drink. Swallow the (nearly) empty gelcap for good measure. :) You'll get much more reliable readings this way.
 
Magickalkat, what scale do you think the person that measured out the 16mg "overdose" was using? a microgram scale? they could have taken 18 for all we know.

I shall do the math for you though.

let's say my scale is +/-2mg so I could've had 260-264mg total, which would make it anywhere from 1.984..mg to 2.01mg per mL of solution. Seeing as how I consumed 8mL of solution I could have very well consumed anywhere from 15.877...mg to 16.122...mg
 
Know your dose and be wary of individual variation. If you've never taken 2C-P before, then you don't know your dose, so start low!

For example, I like 2C-E very much and find 18 mg to be a solid trip. Another good friend of mine feels nothing from 30+ mg. I once gave 12.5 mg of 2C-E to someone new to 2C-E but otherwise very experienced with psychedelics (and having otherwise normal tolerance). He was completely floored --- about where I'd expect to be with 25 mg (most I've taken before is 20)! Thankfully, he realized he has an unusual sensitivity to it and regularly enjoys very strong experiences from 8-10 mg these days.

Please don't argue over what doses are safe and what not. It really does depend on the person, and past experiences are not entirely reliable to judge ones response to a new substance.
 
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Cybion said:
Magickalkat, what scale do you think the person that measured out the 16mg "overdose" was using? a microgram scale? they could have taken 18 for all we know.

I shall do the math for you though.

let's say my scale is +/-2mg so I could've had 260-264mg total, which would make it anywhere from 1.984..mg to 2.01mg per mL of solution. Seeing as how I consumed 8mL of solution I could have very well consumed anywhere from 15.877...mg to 16.122...mg
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Those scales are usually off more like 2-4mg... I've placed them side by side with my GP 250 and also a VIC-123... the GP250 and VIC both picked up the dose with about 80% repeatability (so out of 10 times, the dose read exactly the same 8 times being off by the most 1mg) - that scale was always off by 2-4mg higher than what the dose actually was.
 
MagickalKat777 said:
Those scales are usually off more like 2-4mg... I've placed them side by side with my GP 250 and also a VIC-123... the GP250 and VIC both picked up the dose with about 80% repeatability (so out of 10 times, the dose read exactly the same 8 times being off by the most 1mg) - that scale was always off by 2-4mg higher than what the dose actually was.
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okay, then as it turns out, after all the math is done, I could have had anywhere from 15.755mg to 16.244 ;) my measurements were fine, personally I think you're scared of the compound and are turning it into more than it really is. iom has it right here too, listen to him

don't worry iom, no arguments here, just intelligent conversation by intelligent people
 
I'm not scared of it - I plan to go real slow with this one... Phens kick the living shit out of me... Tryptamines are less forgiving mentally but phens are less forgiving physically IME. 2C-E and 2C-P appparently being the exceptions to the mental rule but 2C-E is not forgiving physically either!
 
MagickalKat777 said:
I understand this. I've been a Bluelighter since 2004 for christ's sake. But seriously, if Shulgin says to be careful, be careful, because his doses are almost ALWAYS on the low side of things... If he thought it important to stop at 16mg because of that experience, there was a reason...
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I can't find the post now, but someone emailed Shulgin a while back in regards to the 16mg overdose report & posted part of his response. I'm going to paraphrase from memory, so forgive any inaccuracies, and if anyone can find that post, please do & post a link in this thread.

The 16mg overdose report was the result of a subject undergoing some rather intense therapy regarding his childhood while on 2c-p. As a child, he was in an earthquake and a bookshelf (or something similar) fell on his legs injuring him. During said 2c-p experience, he relived the experience very vividly, including the pain in his legs. Hence the physical disaster terminology. Also, those are the subjects words.

That being said, 16mg is a hefty dose of this chem & not to be taken lightly. I've explored it at up to 12mg, and those experiences were quite long lived, but i probably will inch the dosage up a bit more as i become more experienced with 2c-p. The dose response curve for this one seems similar to other 2c's, however it is more potent. So whereas with 2c-e, the difference between 8 & 10mg for most people isn't that significant, but the difference between 16 & 18 is quite significant. With 2c-p, the difference between 3 & 5mg isn't very significant, but 7 to 9 is very significant. All of this is from my own experience and doesn't necessarily translate to everyone, but should prove helpful to most.
 
any major dude said:
I can't find the post now, but someone emailed Shulgin a while back in regards to the 16mg overdose report & posted part of his response. I'm going to paraphrase from memory, so forgive any inaccuracies, and if anyone can find that post, please do & post a link in this thread.

The 16mg overdose report was the result of a subject undergoing some rather intense therapy regarding his childhood while on 2c-p. As a child, he was in an earthquake and a bookshelf (or something similar) fell on his legs injuring him. During said 2c-p experience, he relived the experience very vividly, including the pain in his legs. Hence the physical disaster terminology. Also, those are the subjects words.

That being said, 16mg is a hefty dose of this chem & not to be taken lightly. I've explored it at up to 12mg, and those experiences were quite long lived, but i probably will inch the dosage up a bit more as i become more experienced with 2c-p. The dose response curve for this one seems similar to other 2c's, however it is more potent. So whereas with 2c-e, the difference between 8 & 10mg for most people isn't that significant, but the difference between 16 & 18 is quite significant. With 2c-p, the difference between 3 & 5mg isn't very significant, but 7 to 9 is very significant. All of this is from my own experience and doesn't necessarily translate to everyone, but should prove helpful to most.
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Right, I linked to it a page back. Here it is:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8016655&postcount=186
 
Thanks for blowing that terrible myth out of the water.

I think someone reliving a childhood trauma under a decent dose of any PD could have potential to result in such bad reports. It is a shame that PikHAL does not document the whole picture - as I reckon that miss-leading "overdose" comment has probably put countless people off what is otherwise a good fun substance.



I would also ignore the "hypnotic mind games" comment on that PiHKAL entry, as we found that it in fact lends it self to good fun as a group. Much giggling, exploring the countryside together, sharing amusing sights, etc.
 
I completely agree, my 16mg yesterday/day before was with a group of 5, we didn't all do 16 though. 8, 8, 10, 12, 16
 
I don't think 16mg is an overdose, but moreso completely overwhelming and not particularly enjoyable especially for the inexperienced. I for one do not wish to try 16mg as I feel it would be a very intense dose, I wish to try around 12mg but 10mg was strong enough as it is.

Anyone able to help out with the scales situation - is ebay reliable and what should I be looking for?
 
SpecialK_ said:
I don't think 16mg is an overdose, but moreso completely overwhelming and not particularly enjoyable especially for the inexperienced. I for one do not wish to try 16mg as I feel it would be a very intense dose, I wish to try around 12mg but 10mg was strong enough as it is.

Anyone able to help out with the scales situation - is ebay reliable and what should I be looking for?
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=348436&page=13

fractal fountain said:
I'm thinking of starting at 5mg with this. How long/intense would the trip be (approximately) at this dose?
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well, these things vary between individuals, but from my experience i'd guess that it would be ~10hrs and mild
 
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