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Phenethylamines The Big & Dandy 2C-E Thread - ver. 3.0

I find that it's possible to work through the 2C-E bodyload and it becomes very nice-feeling, quite lovely really. 2C-E experiences can have a lot of variance because it's a very powerful psychedelic. Something like 2C-B, I can pretty well estimate how the trip is going to go. But 2C-E is different. Sometimes I've had really intense bodyloads, and sometimes it's great. I almost always go through some manner of bodyload during the come-up. I have a theory about psychedelic experiences, that a lot of how your trip goes depends on how you deal with the come-up anxiety, which is basically the process of transitioning from a sober consciousness to a very different one. Whenever I have succumbed to that anxiety, it manifests itself as more anxiety and a really bad bodyload, on any substance (though some don't really give me anxiety on the come-up so it's not really an issue, like 2C-B). But if you overcome it in mind and spirit, then the full nature of the drug becomes apparent and the anxiety and bodyload usually drop away. Usually AMT is just a beautiful entactogenic euphoria, but a few times it has been a really nerve-wracking, uncomfortable experience because the come-up was extra bad, I wasn't sure of myself, and I succumbed to the come-up anxiety.

Also it's worth noting that taking psychedelics rectally, for the most part, is the cleanest-feeling trip. For me, the come-up is much quicker but also gentler, there is rarely any bodyload, and you can use about half the dose. Not everyone is willing to go there to get high, but it's really a good way to go from an effects standpoint. I find the difference in the ease of coming up and bodyload on 2C-E especially easier with rectal administration. I don't really like to take it orally actually, because I tend to get nausea and really crazy come-ups and lots of physical discomfort, but that's all very minimal with rectal admin.
 
xork said:
I find that it's possible to work through the 2C-E bodyload and it becomes very nice-feeling, quite lovely really
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Definitely. I think of it as energy (as in feels like energy, not some new-age malarkey) that can be channeled negatively as anxiety and body load, or channeled positively as dancing-all-over-the-room while pleasurable body feelings and good-vibes surge from within you.
 
Never Knows Best said:
Definitely. I think of it as energy (as in feels like energy, not some new-age malarkey) that can be channeled negatively as anxiety and body load, or channeled positively as dancing-all-over-the-room while pleasurable body feelings and good-vibes surge from within you.
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Last time I took 12mg 2C-E + 20mg MXE I had a wonderful yoga session. Also a great way to channel energy. That experience even made me wonder if it would be advisable to take this combo (in a lower dose) at the gym. Obviously one cannot be visibly under the influence at a place like that. Still felt like I could have a good workout.
 
^ I went for a nice bike ride on mxe+2c-e before; used to do it all the time on just mxe.
Seems like it might work good at the gym and help you get into that zone, just be very careful not to overexert your self.
 
Does 2C-E have any special music euphoria for any of you? (i.e. similar to how lsd alters sound?)
 
Yes, 2C-E has some of the most profound musical enhancement and euphoria of any substance I have tried. The way it alters sound is unique and wonderful. I remember one trip I was standing outside on my deck at night (I live in the forest), listening to the night sounds - tree frogs, cicadas, small mammals - and I could hear where every single sound (of thousands upon thousands) was coming from, all at once, and pinpoint precisely where each one was coming from. I could almost feel the sound waves, a bit of synesthesia I suppose, sound into touch.
 
Good to hear. I've been really wanting to try out 2C-E sometime soon finally, and it would be wonderful to find a drug other than lsd which can make music sound wild. MXE alters music to a degree, but in a... choppy fashion, of sorts.

I'm a bit nervous about trying it, as I've read lots of negative stuff about its body load and such. Is it harder to handle 2C-E than say lsd or mushies?
 
Yeah most people agree that every 2mg of 2C-E roughly doubles the strength. It's not like 2C-B or something where a few mgs makes very little difference. 12mg of 2C-E underwhelms me too but 18mg was the strongest experience I have ever had on anything, besides an ibogaine flood dose. I ceased the exist entirely for a time and before that I watched the universe unravel one layer at a time, at a speed so fast I can't comprehend it now.

240sx: Yes I find 2C-E harder to handle than LSD for sure, and usually harder than mushrooms too. I mean mushrooms are much more emotionally intense, 2C-E has this neutral character to it where I feel rather detached emotionally from what's happening, but it's so intense that it can still be pretty difficult. It's not something to take lightly but it's more than worth the potential difficulties.
 
2C-E didn't display the notorious exponential increase in effects for me so much. The last time I dosed (can't remember if it was 16 or 18mg) it wasn't a lot more powerful than the previous time when I had dosed 12mg, definitely not double. And 12mg wasn't double 8mg for me either. It could have been build up of tolerance, but there was at least 4 weeks between doses.

Anyways, I look forward to further exploring this chemical, it's great.
 
The double is perhaps an exaggeration but I notice a large increase in effects from 16 to 18mg, and from 18 to 20. 12mg can be strong for me sometimes but usually it's quite underwhelming, however 16mg is a full-on trip that is always powerful, even if on the light side of powerful.
 
^So Xork, how is the come-up much different from the emotional turbulence of a mushie trip? I've experienced a terrible self-critical attitude on the come-up of both LSD and mushies, does 2C-E have the same harsh introspection? I'm really keen on trying 2C-E because I've had no "harsh" psychs in months. Just metocin, 2C-C and such. Does anyone have any tips for trying to lessen potential body load?

Would you say that with the dose response curve, using volumetric dosing would be better, or can you use a $30 scale to accurately weigh this?
 
2C-E is not as harsh with the introspection as mushrooms tend to be due to its neutral emotional character. It's more of a physical thing and mental overload just from sheer sensory input. I find that due to the intense weird physical feeling of the come-up, it produces anxiety, and it's compounded by the really intense mental and visual shift. If I don't let the anxiety overcome me, it will fade and the bodyload will mostly fade too, in fact many of my 2C-E trips have felt quite good, once the come-up passes. If I let the anxiety overcome me, it will remain for the duration and it will feel very jangly and rough.

I think starting off from a low dose of MXE (like 20-25mg) might really help the bodyload... generally I find MXE to be a smooth launching pad for psychedelics. I haven't tried it with 2C-E though so I can't say for sure, for all I know it could make it more intense. The best surefire way I have to battle come-ups is to be outside in nature, walking around looking at plants. It always makes my come-ups so much friendlier and easier. Being inside seems to greatly magnify bodyload for me and also makes me feel a bit claustrophobic when the mental shift becomes intense. This is true with any psychedelic, but many of them don't have an unsettling enough come-up for it to matter much to me anymore... 2C-E does though.

I use a $20 scale to measure it (well I got it for that on Amazon, could be the same scale - it's a Gemini 20 by AWS)... I always leave the weight tray un-tared because the cheap scales seem to register more accurately when they don't start at 0. Like if it says 2546mg with the tray, then if I wanted 18mg I would put 2C-E on until it reads 2564mg.
 
Yeah, I tare my scale that way too, mine weighs almost always 2.681g's... but sometimes it is more or less, and that's why I worry about accuracy.
 
I figure that if it weighs slightly differently each time, say, plus or minus 5mg, then the margin of error is 5/2681 = 0.00187, or .187% (in your case). So at such large initial weights, yeah, you might be slightly inaccurate, but let's say using 18mg of 2C-E as an example, you'd only be off by +/- 0.0336mg, a truly negligible amount. I reality it may be a bit more, because I can weigh something 3 times and vary by a milligram. Still it's not bad. I would never weigh DOC on it though, for example... I always liquid dose that one.

Of course volumetric dosing is always going to be more accurate, so it certainly couldn't hurt, especially for stable phenethylamines like 2C-E.
 
So could you make a solution simply using 190 proof ethanol then? Is 2C-E stable in ethanol for long?
 
Absolutely, if you keep it cold especially, it will last for years. I usually use a solution of 50% distilled water and 50% the strongest liquor I have, I've used Everclear (probably what you're referring to I would imagine at 190 proof), and I have used 80 proof vodka, and I even have DOC in a solution with whiskey right now. So problem using the full 190 as all the liquid though, it's just not necessary. The alcohol keeps microbes from growing and keeps it sterile. Even in 190 proof liquor there is still some water present, but 2C-E is very stable in water, as are all the 2C-Xs and indeed any phenethylamine I can think of.
 
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