delta_9
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Of course someone somewhere was probably busted with it.
The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)
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I'll be taking 2c-e soon and I was wondering if anybody had any advice on it? What should I expect? And most importantly, what's the lowest dose I can take and still get the visuals and feel good effects? Could 5mg orally make me trip? Also, how is the body high of 2c-e? All responses are appreciated.
PS: I do all drugs with great respect, but I was wondering also, has anyone ever had a "bad" trip on 2c-e? I know set and setting play into every drug, but is there a way someone can just have a bad trip or a good trip, not meaning that someone had an experience and just didn't like it, but an actual bad trip. And last but not least, has anybody experienced any long term side effects from 2c-e usage?
I'll be taking 2c-e soon and I was wondering if anybody had any advice on it? What should I expect? And most importantly, what's the lowest dose I can take and still get the visuals and feel good effects? Could 5mg orally make me trip? Also, how is the body high of 2c-e? All responses are appreciated.
PS: I do all drugs with great respect, but I was wondering also, has anyone ever had a "bad" trip on 2c-e? I know set and setting play into every drug, but is there a way someone can just have a bad trip or a good trip, not meaning that someone had an experience and just didn't like it, but an actual bad trip. And last but not least, has anybody experienced any long term side effects from 2c-e usage?
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One should always start low and titrate their way up, I believe 5mg is a good startup dose for 2C-E. Don't expect lots of visuals on this level, but it is good to make sure your body doesn't have any idiosyncratic reactions. You can easily determine the dose for your next trial from there (with at least a week in between of course).
Regarding "bad trips", 2C-E is an extremely powerful psychedelic at high doses. Difficult trips are not only a possibility, but they are a probablity at intense levels. I'd say the chance of a "bad trip" (how ever you define it) is very comparable to other powerful psychedelics such as mushrooms and LSD. Just keep in mind, that the dose/response curve is very steep for this substance, and as little as about every 2mg is believed to double the trip in intensity, so be very careful when upping the dose.
Regarding "bad trips", 2C-E is an extremely powerful psychedelic at high doses. Difficult trips are not only a possibility, but they are a probablity at intense levels. I'd say the chance of a "bad trip" (how ever you define it) is very comparable to other powerful psychedelics such as mushrooms and LSD. Just keep in mind, that the dose/response curve is very steep for this substance, and as little as about every 2mg is believed to double the trip in intensity, so be very careful when upping the dose.
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delta_9
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Really? 2c-e is one of my least favorites. Although I've only tried 4(2c-b, 2c-c, 2c-e, 2c-i)retired_chemist said:
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^ Did you get these +3 experiences recently or long time ago? Maybe your friends are just not very sensitive to this chemical?
I find that 2C-E (like most phens) is very stable, I had it in solution and stored it in the fridge for two years without any significant signs of degradation.
I find that 2C-E (like most phens) is very stable, I had it in solution and stored it in the fridge for two years without any significant signs of degradation.
Beenhead
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It was a while ago. from November till June. I have also given the HBWR seeds, Acid, MDMA, they get minimal effects... Its very strange
The batch has not degraded, I keep it in powder form with dessicant in the freezer.
The batch has not degraded, I keep it in powder form with dessicant in the freezer.
Beenhead
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I guess, but its crazy though! the amount of 2ce ive given them would send me to the hospital begging for some thorazine!
They respond to Mushrooms normally, and the acid I could see as being weak, though I didnt do any. Its just weird that both of them one a big guy and the other smaller have this tolerance to psychedelics.
They really want to trip On something other than mushrooms but damn, Its like I gotta give em all my drugs to do it! Maybe DMT will give it to em.
Also Salvia gave them good effects, though its unrealted...
They respond to Mushrooms normally, and the acid I could see as being weak, though I didnt do any. Its just weird that both of them one a big guy and the other smaller have this tolerance to psychedelics.
They really want to trip On something other than mushrooms but damn, Its like I gotta give em all my drugs to do it! Maybe DMT will give it to em.
Also Salvia gave them good effects, though its unrealted...
melange
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the cev's on 2ce is ridiculous
they are so elaborate and mechanical
they are so elaborate and mechanical
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2c-e is the only phen I have tried so far, but I'm continuing to explore it more. Its definitely amazing, I can see why so many people here hold it in such high regard.
Although one thing that surprises me is the whole "devil-angel" component - no one ever seems to mention experiencing this?? Thats how Shulgin describes its action, and that is so true IMO, I always react to it in the same way:
Even at doses as low as 15mg I seem to constantly alternate between feeling like i'm floating on top of the world, and then feeling like i'm at the mercy of terrifying creatures/things.....it doesn't really bother me, it just seems unavoidable and part of 2c-e's "character"
But i don't agree with people who here who say that it's "always forgiving".
I can't wait to try a tryptamine and see how it compares!!
Although one thing that surprises me is the whole "devil-angel" component - no one ever seems to mention experiencing this?? Thats how Shulgin describes its action, and that is so true IMO, I always react to it in the same way:
Even at doses as low as 15mg I seem to constantly alternate between feeling like i'm floating on top of the world, and then feeling like i'm at the mercy of terrifying creatures/things.....it doesn't really bother me, it just seems unavoidable and part of 2c-e's "character"
But i don't agree with people who here who say that it's "always forgiving".
I can't wait to try a tryptamine and see how it compares!!
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It all comes down to semantics because I would say the same thing of LSD, and DPT. Both materials are both very sinister in many ways and also very beautiful. With DPT in particular, I have felt simultaneously the emotions of extreme fear and utter bliss at the same time. It is quite an amazing experience...that is to feel two completely polar opposite feelings together. With LSD, I can go back and forth emotionally in a fraction of a second.
My experiences with 2C-E lead me to feel it actually has a more 'neutral' character than most other psychedelics. I have felt bliss (one 2C-E experience was a +4), and I have felt the darker side of the material...but mostly I just simply 'feel' and there is no specific content other than what is in my mind. The darkness (or light) is really within me.
And I think that is basically true of all feelings felt under a psychedelic. Certainly some are particularly euphoric (2C-T-7, MDMA, a-MT, etc) but in general...the feelings are no less relevant that other feelings....i.e. I'm not one to say what happens during an experience is just 'because of the drug.'
Body weight plays little role when it comes to psychedelics. Many large people get floored and many skinny people are hard-heads. That is a good dose and as mentioned above...don't be surprised if you hit a +3 at that dosage.
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RearNakedChoke
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e1evene1even said:
I have experience with Mushrooms, Acid and Ketamine. All together maybe 30 times. I will have my best friend at hand, as my sober sitter. He's been a tremendous help in previous trips.
Thanks for the link, good read!
fastandbulbous
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Read that chapter & decided to read the whole online book - very interesting and entertaining; well woth having a look at, even if you just skim through it and read a few chapters
Thanatos to Eros
Thanatos to Eros
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fyi, not everybody finds 2CE to be cold and analytical - it seems a lot of people on this board like to say that comment over and over (truly it is an aspect they experience with 2CE) - but dont let it color your experience with this chemical, because I find it one of the most warm and emotional chemicals I've experimented thus far -
In fact, I turn to it when I need 'emotional counseling' - like tonight!
Does anybody have experience combining 2CE and ketamine -
In fact, I turn to it when I need 'emotional counseling' - like tonight!
Does anybody have experience combining 2CE and ketamine -
IcarusRisen
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I've had a few great +++ experiences on 2c-e, mostly because I tended to take dosages 20mg+.
I personally don't find 2c-e to be cold and analytical, because its synesthetic effects lend it greatly to listening to music. I can only describe the feeling as having your body thrum while you're listening to music. My friend described that feeling during the times this was going on as pre-orgasmic. That feeling right before orgasm where it's almost unbearable, but this lasted a few hours.
And of course, it'll make you vomit. Take some benadryl, try not to get sick.
I personally don't find 2c-e to be cold and analytical, because its synesthetic effects lend it greatly to listening to music. I can only describe the feeling as having your body thrum while you're listening to music. My friend described that feeling during the times this was going on as pre-orgasmic. That feeling right before orgasm where it's almost unbearable, but this lasted a few hours.
And of course, it'll make you vomit. Take some benadryl, try not to get sick.
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fastandbulbous said:
I'm shocked this book isn't more well known. When I first read it, it completely changed the way I looked at psychedelics, especially difficult or dysphoric experiences. I think it provides an amazing framework from which to approach these substances from.
I read most of the book on my cell-phone! Outside in a park, when I was supposed to be working.
I was in awe. I found the chapter on 2C-E particularly inspiring. In my opinion, when psychedelic therapy is returned to its rightful place as an effective and legitimate adjunct to conventional therapy, this book will be required reading. I've always wondered why there hasn't been more research done 2C-E, as I would think it would be easier to get studies approved using unscheduled substances than ones that are explicitly scheduled. Perhaps there is some of this going on, but the therapists and researchers have decided to be low-key about it for obvious reasons. If there is some benefit that can be documented, it would make it harder for authorities to blindly throw it into schedule 1. Thats a lot of what happened with MDMA, nobody published their results before it was scheduled, and were even more timid to after it was scheduled.
If things go according to plan, I should get to try 2C-E for the first time in a month or so. It's my favorite substance, that I have yet to try. :D
*EDIT*
I just noticed his other book:
The Secret Chief: Conversations with a pioneer of the underground psychedelic therapy movement is also online. With a prologue by Stan Grof, a tribute by Ann Shulgin, a foreword by Albert Hofman, and an epilogue by Sasha Shulgin, it looks like it will be great.
Myron has a vault on Erowid, including some articles he's written here
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fatal
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2C-E is pretty amazing and has never made anyone i know personally actually vomit. great for time travel.
fastandbulbous
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I knew I recognized his name from somewhere, just couldn't put my finger on it
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im going to be geting some 2C-E soon, what would you all sugest as a first time dose. its fall. i love fall. is tripin outside strait?
will people tell your tripin like on acid? (dont rele care, intersesting responses and experiences welcome)
what would you sugest... ...what sugesttions would you make. i cant think of anything right now, want to have a b-e-a-utiful experience help me out bluelight.
oh ps: the only phenethylamine ive ever taken was MDMA about a year ago (in october!) thats not even realy a pea ne more more of an amphetamine but w/e
how do phenes compare to tryps like dmt and acid. i know the answers are all over but i want some personal answers, get what im sayin. just like throw in some shit at the end of your post if you decide to reply to my request.
will people tell your tripin like on acid? (dont rele care, intersesting responses and experiences welcome)
what would you sugest... ...what sugesttions would you make. i cant think of anything right now, want to have a b-e-a-utiful experience help me out bluelight.
oh ps: the only phenethylamine ive ever taken was MDMA about a year ago (in october!) thats not even realy a pea ne more more of an amphetamine but w/e
how do phenes compare to tryps like dmt and acid. i know the answers are all over but i want some personal answers, get what im sayin. just like throw in some shit at the end of your post if you decide to reply to my request.
I know this isn't what you want to hear, but there is a truth behind "different drugs effect differnent people differently". LSD, for me, has much more of a "peace and love" type feel, shrooms has a very dark and stormy side, and 2c-e has a happy mix in the middle, alternating between the two. Again though, this is for me.
Many people have described 2c-e as "emtionless". This is only partially true when it comes to me. With 2c-e, I get much more crazy visuals (my bathroom melted once while I was taking a shit!) than most other psychedelics. My only suggestion for a starting dose would be 12 or 13 mg, as this will give you a good enough trip that it won't be "wasted", but it will be low enough so that if you have an unusually severe reaction to 2c-e you won't turn into a screaming mass of flesh for 6 hours.
2c-e is one of my favorites, be careful
Many people have described 2c-e as "emtionless". This is only partially true when it comes to me. With 2c-e, I get much more crazy visuals (my bathroom melted once while I was taking a shit!) than most other psychedelics. My only suggestion for a starting dose would be 12 or 13 mg, as this will give you a good enough trip that it won't be "wasted", but it will be low enough so that if you have an unusually severe reaction to 2c-e you won't turn into a screaming mass of flesh for 6 hours.
2c-e is one of my favorites, be careful- Status