The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

[never trust a nerd]

Hm...sounds like it could possibly be VERY stimulating (which may or may not be a good thing depending on YOU).

How long did your 2CE/moxy trips last (did you insufflate 2CE for all of them?)?

a strange thing. they lasted very long. usually as long till i fell asleep. longer than one of them could be alone (with the routes i use). i didnt watch the clock, but a good 8-10 hours would be valid.
i exclusively insufflate 2ce. im not a friend of too long onsets. plus the potency is better.


at a certain point (when the "moodswings" from euphoria to something else in a matter of seconds start) i tend to dislike 2ce on its own. combination with other drugs (my favourites are a _little_ alcohol, weed or moxy so far) puts me in a generally positive mindset, which i render important if there arent any external distractions (such as company or conversations) who keep me from listening to my own thoughts. a thing, that can be quite exhausting on 2ce.

you guys remember that one?

Q:Is there a list somewhere of fun stuff to do on 2C-E?

A:Try sitting in front of a mirror and staring at the bitter old man who doesn't know how to become a child again.

thats what im talking about.

 

[egor]

has anyone else noticed that they have become more sensitive towards psychedelics after having used them for years?

I have noticed that happening to me as well over the last 2 or so years. I still like to take big doses for special occasions (mainly Bad Religion shows), but I sort of like having less of a tolerance to most things I like to play with.

 

[Jabberwocky]

I think its normal to pass through periods of sensitivity if you regularly use psychedelics. I think if you use them too much your tolerance will continue to rise (though I do not find it to be an entirely linear function).

Oh, and I also find phenethylamine tolerance takes a lot longer to go away than tryptamine tolerance.

 

[senzou]

my take on 2c-e:

last summer i got me a 200mg baggie of this stuff and now almost one year later its finished. here are my observations:

the first two trips i had with it were per oral route, one was 16mg, which didnt went well, i couldnt really handle the coming-up and almost freaked out. but as soon the peak was there it was ok.

the second one was probably the most eeriest situation i was in ever in my drug-career. it went like this, i was at home, late evening and took a zopiclone,
originally planned to sleep though. for some reason i stayed at the pc and took another zopiclone. the problem with that stuff is that it makes you really irrational, even more so then alcohol and benzos imho. anyway, add insult to injury i apparently (dont recall much of it) decided to dose some 2c-e, the amount unknown but probably not more then 20-25mg. i dont really know what happened during the trip, i just know i spent it in bed as the zopiclone apparently managed to get me to sleep somehow. sometime late next day (probably 16hours after ingesting the zopiclone) i sortof "woke up", and at first didnt realize what happened, i just wondered why its already so late in the day. only when i went into my living room and saw the baggie and the scale i found out. all in all nothing really bad happened, but it was really eerie.

anyway, then i decided to put that stuff away for a while (allthough i guess the zopiclone was to blame here, heh). in the meantime i got on some meds, venlaflaxine and mirtazapine (both are SNRI's) and just recently i decided to dose the 2ce again, this time insufflating.
and here the experience was totally different, i dont know for sure how much the meds are responsible for this and how much the other ingestion route.
but i heard at least from some others that they had the same effects when insufflated.

the main difference was that (obviously) the coming up was alot faster, 10mins for first effects, 1hour to the peak. it was also alot easier on the body (no bodyload that is) and no nausea as well. actually through this route i really started to love this substance because i had lots of really clean and beautiful
trips. but i had the feeling that my meds are half responsible for it and that due to the meds i also need more substance. in a typical trip night i dosed 15-20mg,
but not all at once, i guess the most single insufflating i did was 8mg, and i always kept at least an hour between the redosing.

i have to add also that i have the feeling the trips really kindof helped me, i thought alot during my trips, and i think i came to peace with some inner conflicts i had for long during these trips.

also i want to add that i by no means want to advocate the insufflating route, i still think its not that safe, hence me always dosing really conservative. and the nasty burn gets worse with every redosing so i never dosed more then 3-4 times a night because at one point it would get unbearable.

 

[ArakniD]

Hi...

I havn't eaten 2ce now for about.. 3 years.. however i'm keen to try again.

i've had similar experiances with sniffing other 2c's.. such as.. 2c-t-7 sniffed is scary.. i woudln't recomend it.. *yes i had read the deaths before doing it..*

2cb however is shit eaten. i ate 60mg once and it was totaly boring.. 2cb is only good snorted at around 5-8mg bumps.. however something to be noted, i sniffed 10mg once and ended up in hospital when my body decided to restrict all my outer veins and i went blue and almost passed out and had a heart attack....

does sniffing 2ce have any negative body effect like the one i mentioned with 2cb?

and one thing that i noticed.. after eating in the following order

2ci, 2cc, 2ce, 2cb, 2c-t-7 and then going back to 2ce i experianced major lack of visuals and stimulation.. it was like 2cb and 2c-t-7 had wired my brain into some hardcore visuals and 2ce lost its effect..

thoughts? does eating other is there a tolerence of effect like, two doses of 2c-t-7 will effect you bulk, but then droping to a more subtle 2ci or 2ce the effects are lesser? sensory nullification? so the chemical rather than the amount of it you are eating?.. hmmm

but back to a 2ce experiance... the details are lacking as the following weeks after my great experiance the law came knocking and tool away all my toys and trip reports that i was compiling, from 2ce, 2ci, 2cc, 2cb, 2c-t-7 etc and the differetn combinations..

had a full 0.1mg balance to measure with..

20mg, eaten at home.. notepad and armin playing

0-30mins, slugish uptake with the constant looking for the tell tail signs that its going to happen.. ~25mins in it goes from zero to 1 million within seconds..

1.5hr point.. writing in my journel, i'm no longer writing in a language that is readable to anybody else, i'm writing an instinctive internal character/swirl set that ecodes my thoughts and feelings.. things are beging to make perfect sence..

+4 experiance gained... as i was writing in my own internal encoded lanuage on the page, i could no longer see the room that i was sitting in, or the place that i was feeling... around where i was writing, in my perifual vision i could see a memory, a perfect memory of when i was younger running around in a park, i can see the green grass and everything around me. It was as if i was sitting and moving inside my memory.. everything made perfect sense, i knew everyting and nothing was unclear...

2ce is the only +4 experiance i've ever had.. it was a moment (few minutes) of perfect bliss, enlighenment and one with the world and my mind..

i hope to get there next time by solving suduko puzzles and attempting to program code..

the best thing to do when on 2ce or any psychdelic is to exercise your mind, dont just be taken up by the experiance, live it and try and concentrate and morph it...

i'll definaly try it sniffed...

 

[ForceSith]

Wow, I tried 13 mg oral the other day and it was not at all what I was expecting. I cannot wait to go for a 15 or even 20 mg trip!

Just a question, has anyone ever experienced any +4's on 2c-e? and at what dosage?

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I had a +4 on 2C-E...dosage was 20mg. Haven't taken any 2C-E now in 4 years because I still glow when I think about the last time. Wonderful substance. Better in moderation. I honestly think you guys who trip every week are missing the point, and are just doing it for recreation...in my humble and judgmental opinion.

Wow, I tried 13 mg oral the other day and it was not at all what I was expecting. I cannot wait to go for a 15 or even 20 mg trip!

Just a question, has anyone ever experienced any +4's on 2c-e? and at what dosage?

 

[ForceSith]

I trip about once a month...if that. I just did the 13 mg to make sure it was a good and active substance; I basically slept through the tail 4-6 hours of it. Just a small sample test...

But before this, I have only tried mushrooms, and low doses at that. But I hear people describe +4's as these incredible wonderful experiences, and 2c-e is the only substance I have enough of to truly experiment with, but I wanted to make sure first it was even possible

 

[ForceSith]

Now you've intrigued me, and I want to try a 5 or 7 mg oral dose then go to a party

 

[Kul69]

Does anyone else find that 2C-E seems to have a sort of sinister dark side to it but it's an enjoyable dark side?

It seems like 2C-E always makes me start thinking about all kinds of terrible things but they don't bother me at all. Like if I started to have a "bad trip" it would just add to the fun and I might go completely insane and start butchering people.

I've taken lots of psychedelics and none of them have this effect on me and I don't consider myself a violent person. Every time I take 2C-E though I feel like trying to take over the world with force.

 

[MagickalKat777]

2C-E definitely has a STRONG sinister dark side.

My first high-dose trip was 26mg if I remember correctly and on that trip, I saw blood drip down walls... was the creepiest thing I'd ever seen while tripping... never bothered me though.

 

[ForceSith]

interesting you say that, the two times I've used 2c-e (both medium-sized doses) I've felt a strange "greyness" to my thoughts and feelings...whether this is the darkside at a medium dose or if I just had bad trips, I don't know.

 

[Beings]

Took 14mg last nite for the first time, took 4mg more 3 hours into the trip. What a wonderful and gentle substance. From the reports, I was expecting a repeat of DXM/HBWR, meaning wishing I was dead while hugging the toilet.

This had zero body load. I did fast for 6 hours prior to intake, and took 750mg of magnesium to reduce tension.

11:30pm -drop 14mg with a large glass of cranberry juice.
1am -Comeup was very uneventful, was watching anime with a friend, all of a sudden I got VERY cheerful by the end of the film. I got up, trying to spin around for a few minutes, to test the nausea/body load, still nothing. Friend left after film. I then listenned to some tribal/psy.
3am -do pros and cons of taking another 4mg. Breathing room, and patterns flowing like rivers is fun, but I want a tad more. Yet I realize since come up took so damn long, but the time this hits, I will already be coming down from initial dose, but I say fuck it, and take it.
3:10am -Time to watch Spirited Away for first time. The surround sound made it a bit too much at times. I was actulling clinching on my pillow as the car was racing through the woods, thinking "OMG YOU FUCKING RETARD SLOW DOWN WE ARE GOING TO CRASH".
After film, some more psy trance of course.
6am -close eyes, no CEVs, sweet let us try to sleep. Slept like a baby without a worry in the world.

Overall, I have nothing but positive things to say about this substance. Was very very gentle for me. Zero discomfort through entire trip.

Speaking of darker side, I noticed that all winamp abstract visualizations turned into a face.. a demon/alien type of face, basically an expression of some cold emotion, not angry, just analyzing, like it is watching you. I was surprised that I was not scared at all, just the opposite I went all hippie on it "Hmmm is this face from within... or without... what is the meaning of it... is it my ego watching me... I shall ponder some more on these matters /smart face".

Then I turned off TV, and spent about an hour talking to my reflection in the TV. Conversations was a bit strange though, I was admiring myself, thinking I'd love to fuck myself... dont ask. This of course was interrupted here and there by the rivers on the carpet.

Overall, this was fantastic. Thank you 2c-E

 

[Divine Winds]

saw this on a bathroom wall:

i am at a loss here...all i hear is of intensity yet my experiences have yielded very little in terms of effects. recently i obtained from a somewhat questionable source here in canada that previously had purity problems with other compounds. i was a little worried about purity needless to say, but in the past , and from a very reliable source, i had the same thing happen- very little effect with the increase in body load not worth the increase in other effects. i was having a little more every once in a while out of disappointment and it took a while of doing this to produce effects. we were hoping to enjoy a walk in the woods but nothing much happened until hours later upon returning home.
i must have had about 30-60mg's that day and only had mild visuals.
this new batch would seem to be less pure but not so much as to be concerned-if the first batch was pure...
would it seem im an exception to the orthodoxy of effects on this one or should i be questioning purity?

* ive read on here that 2c-i is more gentle and not as intense (paraphrased), ive found the opposite, it would seem 2c-e at suggested doses is the gentle one, whereas the 2c-i was very intense.

if anyone could shed any light on this darkness it would be greatly appreciated.

kamikaze

 

[delta_9]

I ate 20mg 2c-e on friday night didn't see the color of the powder since it was in a colored capsule. Really nice trip, I have 40mg left, what do you guys think is a good waiting period between trips? Friday was the first time I did it so my tolerance in most likely 0. I've also got 80mg 2c-b, is there a significant cross-tolerance?

 

[ForceSith]

Yes, there is a very significant cross-tolerance. Any PEA's will cause cross-tolerance with 2c-e, 2c-b, 2c-i, etc.

I would say wait two weeks, although if you're bursting to do it again, I've done it within a week and had just a tiny bit weaker trip with the same amount.

For me and 2c-e, it's down the hatch, then puking an hour later, than a smooth ride with a nice speedy edge for the rest of the night

 

[thugg]

2C-E is one of my favorite phenethylamines. Most of my experiences have been beautiful, the clarity is only rivaled by LSD. I had a 'bad' batch though, and I got pretty bad nausea and most others that tried it did as well, still seemed like 2C-E in every way, but with nausea that was never present before.

I kind of got bored with the PEAs as I hadn't done many of the tryptamines, but I think it's time to re-stock the 2C-E and a few other classic PEAs (DOC or DOM anyone?, maybe some 21 too). And re-venture into that territory..

Some of my favorite experiences have come with this chemical, and I have also found it to mix well (not amazing, but not bad) with MDMA.

 

[squerll]

I’m not much into phenethylamines but I do like 2C-E a lot. The headspace is so nice, so rich and so deep it is a true gem.
All my trips have been nice on 2C-E. I really love the clarity, I can go so deep in my head and it is so clear, beautiful! Most stuff I start getting to deep and things get cloudy and distorted but 2C-E is just brilliant in the deep levels.
I have had a couple experiences that were just amazingly rich deep and profound, but I could not reproduce them even on a higher dose. I guess I will just have to hope those synchronized universal gears mesh in that right place again.

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ I had a similar experience... I had a +4 on 2C-E, the most powerful and immense and amazing trip of my life, full of endless synchronicity and peeking into the higher dimensions, each moment branching forward into a variety of possible realities, time ceasing to have meaning. And a direct awakening into the godhead and the void. It was my first encounter with the void and it scared me quite badly!

After that, I've tried 2C-E 3 more times, at equal and then even higher dosages, and I've never been able to get much from it again. My +4 was the second time I tried it, and the first, I had an amazingly visual and impressive and engrossing experience, but it wasn't very active mentally. It seems like there are a large variety of factors that we are unaware of that mediate the strength of 2C-E's effects.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

2C-E is an amazing chemical. I have only had it three times (at 16mg, 18mg, and 20mg). I knew on my first try that it was a true, rich, gem of a psychedelic...completely on par with good LSD. But when I took 20mg, all doubts were erased...2C-E is (in my books) the best of the best. It took me deeper than LSD ever had (and I've had LSD well over 100 times, and I have passed the 'saturation zone').

Everyone is different, but I am not hyping this material. It is the most remarkable of all of SHulgin's discoveries (that I have tried.)

2C-T-7 is still my favorite psychedelic, 5-MeO-DMT is the best...but 2C-E is the most amazing.