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The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

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e1evene1even said:
Its been said that part of the body load is simply your body's way of alerting you to the fact that there is a foreign substance into the system, which would make sense from an evolutionary perspective.

That makes a lot of sense to me as well, because I have noticed that once I became much more used to psychedelics, I started to get very little if any body load from mostly anything. It always seemed to me that it was because the substance was no longer particularly foreign to me, so my body is not alarmed by it.

I don't recommend getting to this point however, at least not by way of taking psychedelics often enough to work up a tolerance.
 
e1evene1even said:
Its been said that part of the body load is simply your body's way of alerting you to the fact that a foreign psychoactive substance has been introduced into the system, which would make sense from an evolutionary perspective.

But only certain psychedelics have this body load. I believe it comes from its effects on particular 5-HT receptors. It seems like all the mucus and such might also be the problem.
 
Broshious said:
But only certain psychedelics have this body load. I believe it comes from its effects on particular 5-HT receptors. It seems like all the mucus and such might also be the problem.

I don't think this is a situation of 'either/or' but more like 'both/and'.
Here's some more background information regarding my statement.

Psychedelic Information Theory said:
The first thing we need to keep in mind when considering early effects of psychedelics is that tryptamines and phenethylamines are bitter, even in trace amounts, and this is because the tongue and digestive system registers them as toxic substances. Yes, toxic. The body is fully aware that an imbalance of monoamines could throw it into potentially lethal chaos, so it has developed a very refined way of keeping toxic monoamines out of your diet: making them taste bitter on your tongue and making you gag when you try to swallow them. To the brain bitter means poison, and the primal urge is to spit it out and not swallow it. This is one reason why ingesting a psychedelic monoamine is accompanied by a bitter-metallic taste and corresponding upheaval in the digestive system. Remember the taste buds connecting to the facial and glossopharyngeal nerves on the back of the tongue and the vagus nerve that controls digestion? The receptors on the ends of these descending nerves are the first line of contact the brain has with the orally ingested psychedelic, and it is wired to recognize suspicious foreign alkaloids and dangerous monoamines by sending the bitter signal to the brain. So this is how the psychedelic trip all begins.

Nausea and knotted stomachs are commonly associated with the first stage of oral psychedelic ingestion, but not always. If the body is busy with other physical activity (like dancing, walking, or hiking) then the digestive unease will not seem as intense, but for some it will always be a problem. In traditional contexts the post ingestion period is usually spent chanting, meditating, singing, dancing, or in some other rhythmic musical exercise like the beating of drums or shaking of rattles. This helps to distract the mind from the stomach and keep the brain focused on the moment. It also helps to set the tone and tempo for the massive neurochemical event to come. The sickness is just the first stage of the journey, and even before it passes the trip may begin to creep in.

Physiologically there are early reactions to the ingestion of psychedelic amines which only seem to increase anxiety, such as an amphetamine-like rise in blood pressure and respiration. The vasoconstrictive effects of many psychedelics may make the limbs feel cold and the joints feel stiff, hence the onset of psychedelic "shivers." Since seratonin plays a very large role in mediating both digestion and blood pressure, these early symptoms clearly indicate that something is messing with the body's serotonergic systems, particularly TA (trace amine) and 5HT (seratonin) receptors in the peripheral nervous system and gut. Toxic response, nausea, high blood pressure, anxiety, increased respiration, shivers... these do not sound like the hallmarks of a fun night out. Indeed, Coming On and waiting to Come On are not pleasant moments, but this is the trial that all psychedelic initiates must go through: no pain, no gain. The simple dropping of LSD seems like nothing compared to the vile bitter brews of wild flora gulped down and chewed with vigor, then held-in against all inner revolt without the complete spewing forth of your guts. This is a significant rite of passage in some cultures, the make-or-break moment of shamanic training. Cleansing and purging is indeed a significant part of the psychedelic process, but we will get to that later in this section and again in the section on psychedelics and medicine.

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hmm....well, just last weekend I had the most intense psychedelic experience of my life lying down behind my friend's couch, with recently purchased 2c-e. At least there's someone still selling good stuff
 
Yeah, I wasn't trying to say none of it was good... I have some fantastic 2C-E. But I just wasn't aware there was any place giving out certificates of analysis anymore.
 
Yeah i've no idea weather you get one, the nootropics i've looked at online had them, but theyre not from china or of questionable legality.
 
2C-E is great so far!!!

Ok, so yesterday I tripped on 2C-E for the first time, but only to sample it. I put 5mg into a V8 Splash Tropical Fruit and drunk it down. I never got any visuals from my dosage, but I did feel VERY good, I just felt so normal yet trippy. I got paranoid at times and needed a friend to calm me down and reassure me and then I realized I was just tripping. I got pupil dilation and shit, I felt kinda wired, but I had a really enjoyable time, we had very deep conversations about life and the world and bonded so well, it was like MDMA without the empathy, you just feel at peace with the world.

So, here are my questions:

1. I plan on doing 10mg to get visuals, if I enjoyed 5mg this much, do you guys think I'd enjoy a 10mg dosage?

2. Does 2C-E normally make your throat feel very dry?? I just kept drinking water but my throat just felt very dry.

3. Do you guys think it's safe to trip again on Saturday??
 
1. Yes.

2. Not me.

3. Yes.

I think 2C-E is my favorite psychedelic and I love small doses of it. It seems to compliment basically anything I do when I take it.
 
I'm glad you like it... I love it also!

But please, post something like this in the Big and Dandy 2C-E thread, instead of starting a new thread. ;)

I will move this in a short time.
 
1. Hard to say, do you enjoy other psychedelics? Try and make sure your in a good environment/state of mind and you probably will, though i'd probably try an intermediate dose if you got that much effect off 5 mg. No need to rush and risk unpleasent overwhelmingness!

2. Not especially, nothing like weed anyway.

3. It should be safe in terms of physical health yeah, and tolerance after a small dose and 4 days should be low.
 
I dont know if anyone had made this observation yet, considering I did not read every post on this thread, but has anybody noticed that 2-CE is the most hilarius drug they have ever taken. I laughed for hours on end. Almost like how MDMA unlocks happiness and empathy, 2-CE unlocks whatever makes you laugh for hours on end. 2-CE is Hilarius, I can not wait to get my next batch.
 
Meh..I had a neither bad or good experience with 2c-e. Nice visuals but I think I need another trial with this compound. Maybe my mood wasn't that great when I took it.

I prefer 2c-b or 2c-i over it any day. %)
 
Just got some 2c-e, bag recommends that I keep it refrigerated.... Any comments on that? Will it degrade at room temp?

XORKOTH! Just read your first 2c-e report, good stuff! The way you described seeing stuff going through aging cycles reminded me of my first mescaline visual. I was looking at my hands and they would age to like 40 or 50, then go back, then age again.. Were you getting that with the walls and everything too, like silent hill style? lol
 
^^ Read my second one when you get a chance... it was much more intense.

Aeon Psyche, 2C-E is a much less recreational substance than 2C-B or 2C-I. It has a neutral character so if you're just sitting there expecting to be entertained it may or may not comply. If you apply yourself to something on it, it'll be very present though. 2C-E is far more psychedelic than -B or -I, but tends to not be as much fun.
 
I dont know if anyone had made this observation yet, considering I did not read every post on this thread, but has anybody noticed that 2-CE is the most hilarius drug they have ever taken. I laughed for hours on end. Almost like how MDMA unlocks happiness and empathy, 2-CE unlocks whatever makes you laugh for hours on end. 2-CE is Hilarius, I can not wait to get my next batch.

When i took lsd at noon and then snorted 10-12mg of 2c-e at 10pm, i remember i was so awake and i talked with friends about everything and we laughed so hard i could not breathe, function, move, or even laugh for the matter. I was choking on air and having the time of my life. no other drug has EVER made me laugh so hard that i wish i could have stopped just to breathe.
 
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Xorkoth said:
^^ Read my second one when you get a chance... it was much more intense.

Aeon Psyche, 2C-E is a much less recreational substance than 2C-B or 2C-I. It has a neutral character so if you're just sitting there expecting to be entertained it may or may not comply. If you apply yourself to something on it, it'll be very present though. 2C-E is far more psychedelic than -B or -I, but tends to not be as much fun.

I've heard you express this impression a couple of times, Xorkoth, of 2C-E being more of a tool and less of a toy, so to speak. I'm curious if many other people share the same experience vs. it being a more individual reaction to the compound. Anyone have any ideas?

Also, can anyone tell me the approximate duration of this compound? I just received some and am not sure exactly what time of day to take it. Although I could just check Erowid, I suppose.

Oh yeah, I also have to second Dragynfyr's question about degradation at room temp.
 
2c-e is no toy I have experience with LSD mushrooms 2c-i I mean multiple trips big doses im no lightwieght. 2c-e blew my mind very powerful stuff I experienced total ego loss very quickly. I wanna try it again this was 2 years ago and it is still my most intense experience with drugs 2 date. I got some that was in a gel cap had been stored by a guy I worked with for months so unkown dose but I dont think it degrades at room temperature
 
I don't think I really understand the concept of neutrality with 2C-E.

To me 2C-I is much more "neutral". I experience psychedelic manifestations - visuals etc, and a characteristic phenylakylamine physical stimulation and clench. But little in the way of serious cerebral activity. It's almost a sense of mental detachment from the corporeal psychedelic aspect. 2C-I to me is the "toy" - a party favor I enjoy as a booster at something like a Dead family show, but offers little more.

2C-E on the other hand is a full blown psychedelic for me. I find it pretty powerful on all levels - mental, physical, perceptual - definitely not a neutral experience. Definitely not a toy.
 
When I say neutral, I don't mean to say anything about its level of psychedelia or power. I mean that the trip is not particularly directly euphoric (although it can be that way)... it doesn't have a positive or negative push to me, and I enjoy it because it's so powerful mentally and an intrnsely useful and interesting experience. It can feel a bit unfocused unless you put a little something into it. But it's undeniably powerful and very psychedelic. The most outrageously intense experience of my life was on 2C-E, my second +4 experience. It's most definitely no toy.

2C-I on the other hand, to use your example, has a positive push and is fun and pretty euphoric, but definitely more of a toy, not nearly as psychedelic.
 
Xorkoth said:
When I say neutral, I don't mean to say anything about its level of psychedelia or power. I mean that the trip is not particularly directly euphoric (although it can be that way)... it doesn't have a positive or negative push to me, and I enjoy it because it's so powerful mentally and an intrnsely useful and interesting experience. It can feel a bit unfocused unless you put a little something into it. But it's undeniably powerful and very psychedelic. The most outrageously intense experience of my life was on 2C-E, my second +4 experience. It's most definitely no toy.

2C-I on the other hand, to use your example, has a positive push and is fun and pretty euphoric, but definitely more of a toy, not nearly as psychedelic.


Completely agree with the neutrality thing. This didn't seem like shrooms' which seem to just keep merrily nudging you along your way, like theres some kind of built in path to the trip or something. 2c-e you really seem to have to 'stay on top of', it seemed if I wasn't directing my focus into into something in particular, the effects would level off, not disappear, but diminish greatly, like one moment the euphoria will be orgasmic while I looked at a visualizer laid back and listened to some music, the next I could be feeling nausea while trying to accomplish some mundane task like find a file (which I could make go away fairly easily by just thinking about something else/changing my activities).

For me the 'neutral' thing comes into play most mentally, in terms of my emotions. It was like I could think about any problem in my life, be aware of the emotions connected to it, but not actually be Feeling the emotions, so I was able to look at them without the usual fear and avoidance. Kind of numbing, but not...


I wish I could be more positive about how much I took though. The .oooo scale I used definitely isn't accurate at the low end of the scale, like in the mg range, because the suppposed 1 mg and 6 mg caps looked practically the same, while the 50, 17, and 8 all looked proportionally right to each other: On the table, the 17 looked like somewhat less than half the 50, and the 8 half the 17. I took what was in the smaller obviously way off caps and combined them and visually ended up with what looked like just less than half of the 8 weighing, and insulfated that.
Unnerving comeup when your not sure about the weight and that unholy burn hits your ass and colored lights start shining through the paint streaks in your ceiling, I must say. But given the peak started to wear off at about the 2 hour point I think I was pretty close with my 3-4 mg estimate.
 
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