The Big & Dandy 2C-E thread (Reorganized)

[squerll]

It seems like there are a large variety of factors that we are unaware of that mediate the strength of 2C-E's effects.

I have wondered if that was what Shulgin was hinting about when he said, “Someday, the full character of 2C-E will be understood”

 

[Xorkoth]

^^ I now wonder that as well.

 

[B9]

2ce Lovely

That's it I have never used it in about 18 months due to the missus having super sensitivity to certain phens. Namely 2CE, 2CP, 2CB and MDMA. But NOT 2CD? Anyone offer any explanation of why this would be?

I refer to the 'NOT 2CD' for the explanation.

 

[cognosis]

How do you time the 2CE + MDMA? Just an intellectual curiousity, really, since the next time I'm taking MDMA I'm (FINALLY!) combining it with some high quality LSD.

2c-e first, at the 2hr point dose on then dose on MDMA if you're going to snort it.

If you're going to do an oral admin of MDMA, eat it as soon as you start getting alerts for 2c-e.

This is a fucking awesome combo. Oceanic Bliss IMO.

 

[Xorkoth]

Yeah, 2C-E is amazing, excellent stuff. Even at very, very manageable levels, it sets the mind off on the most inspirational paths at even the slightest stimulation.

 

[delta_9]

I've used 2c-e on 2 seperate occasions. I really enjoyed both times. My first trip was accompanied by some pretty intense nausea but after I puked I felt so much better and the trip was amazing. The second time, absolutely no nausea whatsoever. My guess is because the second time, I was in a comfortable environment, my house.
I'm hoping to get some again soon.

 

[e1evene1even]

I have yet to try 2C-E, but its probably next on my list. It's the last 2C to really excite me (except maybe 2C-G).

I could anticipate it being one of my favorites.

I imagine an emoticon 2C-E trip might progress something like this:
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One of the things that has put me off slightly from trying it, is its reputation as a "difficult" substance. Perhaps its comparable to ayahuasca in that respect? Both substances are reported to be insanely visual, purgative, healing, and about as mentally deep as it gets.


I was wondering how it might combine with AMT? Has anyone tried this combination? My thought being that AMT might help keep the trip in a positive direction, while 2C-E providing the mental depth that AMT lacks.

Also as a suggestion, I would add a link to the 2C-E chapter from "Thanatos to Eros" by Myron Stolaroff in the external information links, its truly amazing information in my opinion.

http://www.maps.org/t2e/c6.html

 

[Morninggloryseed]

I have yet to try 2C-E...It's the last 2C to really excite me (except maybe 2C-G).

Sorry to go OT but....2C-G really interests me because of the chemistry. It is not a true "2C" because it is not a 4-substituted, 2-5-dimethoxylated phenethylamine.

Rather, it is the prototype member of a new family; the 3,4-disubstituted 2-5-dimethoxylated phenethylamines. It is a large and completely unexplored family (save for what little is in PIHKAL.)

Below is a diagram.

DOM is listed first on the left, Ganesha below. Ganesha has an extra methyl added to DOM's structure....at the 3 position. 2C-D is missing one of DOM's methyl groups...making the side-chain a two-carbon (hence the 2C) chain.

2C-G is the "2C" of Ganesha because it is missing the alpha-methyl group...but it is a "2C" in name only. Again, different chemical backbone.

But the length of action keeps me away from 2C-G. I've had some for many years...and I treasure it for what it is. But I don't know if I will try it. I hope those of you out there who also now have some try it someday and let me know.

 

[Blue Raven]

The power of 2CE (extremely high dose)

Hi brothers and sisters. I have taken very high doses of mushrooms and LSD for many years for it seems to help my chronic depression much better than SRRI's I certainly don't condone this practice but it seems to work for my body chemistry and I have been able to get off SSRI's in this manner. Well I took a carelessly High dose of 2CE and spent many hours nowhere if you know what I mean. It took about 5 hours before my ego decided to come back. I was still tripping hard at 12 hrs and the experence was the most intense psychedelic experence I had ever survived. 5 days post trip I am fine but was it not for much experence tripping intensly alone I would have freaked. They way I survive this sort of experence is total trust in my bodies alility to survive. My body knows how to breath and vomit and what ever means it takes to survive. I have a tremendous respect for the power of this drug now and am just adding my 2 cents to other warnings to be very careful with working with this substance. I had expermented with 2CE on 3 other occasions and find it a delightful emotionally neutral substance at resonable doses.
Blessings,
Blue Raven

 

[Jabberwocky]

Did you measure your dose? If so, how much did you take?

Did you experience any side-effects that could be considered of a toxic nature (jaw clenching, headache, muscle spasms, tension, etc)?

What about the after-effects (the next day).

I agree, that 2CE is a very powerful chemical with a very steep dose-response curve (it is not anywhere near the linear nature of mushroom or LSD dosing).

 

[Blue Raven]

Did you measure your dose? If so, how much did you take?

Did you experience any side-effects that could be considered of a toxic nature (jaw clenching, headache, muscle spasms, tension, etc)?

What about the after-effects (the next day).

I agree, that 2CE is a very powerful chemical with a very steep dose-response curve (it is not anywhere near the linear nature of mushroom or LSD dosing).

My best estimate is aproxmately 40 mg. I have a solution of 500 mg 2ce disolved in an aproximately equal amount of h2o in a small vial. This took a long time to disolve but a motorcycle ride in hot weather provided enough vibration and warmth to completely disolve it to a milky substance. I planned to dose with a medicine dropper. I was going to use 5 gtts which would have been a strong dose. But having a few minutes before snorted some 5meo I simply drew up a half dropper full squirted it in some juice and drank. I stoped counting at 20 gtts and probably it was 30 gtts or so. There wasn't alot of toxic effects at all. But as the effects of the 5meo were fading at aprox 30 minutes and then the effects of the 2ce were coming on increasingly strong at 45min and building very fast I naturally was tense cause I knew it was going to be a long day. I tried to calm myself with breathing but then after completely vomiting the 2 beers and preztels I had consumed previous, (I had just gotten off of work), I felt better physically and then just got higher and higher and stayed in bed with really no sensation of a body for aprox 5hrs. After 14 hrs and taking some xanax I slept but still felt very trippy and not very functional the next day. Now 5 days later I feel better and sharper than normal.
Very strong experences like this seem to balance my brain chemistry and put the magic back in to life and I seem to live life with much more awareness atleast till I fall back into a rut again. I do think it would be possible to take enough 2ce in a dose to become non functional for a very long time or have a serious brain fry unlike clean LSD which I don't believe it is possible to overdose on.
Blessings,
Blue Raven

 

[Jabberwocky]

Interesting. Thanks for the approximations...I guess there is really no way to know how much you took though. Unfortunately, those who are taking very high doses of these chemicals usually don't know exactly how much they took.

One more question, do you think the 'resetting' of your brain is neurophyiological (something to do with receptors and neurochemicals) or psychological (something to do with your thought patterns, etc)?

I'm very glad you are back on the ground with us, Raven!

 

[Blue Raven]

Interesting. Thanks for the approximations...I guess there is really no way to know how much you took though. Unfortunately, those who are taking very high doses of these chemicals usually don't know exactly how much they took.

One more question, do you think the 'resetting' of your brain is neurophyiological (something to do with receptors and neurochemicals) or psychological (something to do with your thought patterns, etc)?

I'm very glad you are back on the ground with us, Raven!

Thankyou it is quite nice to be back on the ground.:D With very high doses like this last time I think it is neurophyiological. My thought processes were so altered, thought processes is probably the wrong way to express the long plateau of the experience. It was more being immersed in a soup of archetypes.
Coming down I felt all the channels in my brain had been blown open. I did not philosophize or analyze and got no profusion of insights other than to try and be very kind to all and do no harm. Now 6 days after the trip I just feel different. Sharp and happy but also more vunerable as if some of walls I hide behind for protection have atleast temporarily been blasted away. Now most trips I take have a very psychological componet, they allow me to look at myself from sort of an objective view outside myself and I usually get lots of insights of how to improve my life and I often write things down to help me remember later.
I sometimes call it self psychoanalysis. This last trip felt different, more like a chemical shock treatment and I hope the positive way I feel will have a long duration.
Thanks for taking an interest samadhi smiles
Raven

 

[Youkai]

well I actualy obtained some 2c-e for my self, and realy the stuff feels dirty compaired to LSD and 2c-b. it does produce soem strong psychedelic effects but nothing Im looking for that CANT be had on lsd or 2c-b. I took a 20mg dose (mind you this was like the 6th times I ever done 2c-e) and felt realy alien, didnt have my whits about me at all and ws quite un social, total oppisite of LSD/2c-b. I dont know, it just doesnt fit into my use of psychedelics, Iv been there already, and there is just only so many ways you can watch your self fall apart without it getting old. Nothing new came from 2c-e that I havent had on at least 12 different psychedelics befor. the times I did it prior to 06/07 I thought it was magical, but now, its okay. Alot of you rave about it but what is so special about it? it has alot of stimulation and a realy long duration without the good euphoria other things of that sort of profile carry. I actualy was reminded of my 2c-i days last time I took it, just cracked out towars the end with mild to strong psychedelic mental stimulation.

Id rather take LSD for that, also judging by what others have done who I agev some to, effects arnt contant at any dose, one day 15mg can do it, while another 20 doesnt come close. 2c-b is for me when it comes to phens, 2c-e just offers to much for to long for me.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

It works different for everyone. I find 2C-E no more stimulating than a good dose of LSD. For me, 2C-E beats LSD in all aspects....depth, euphoria, visionary potential...name it...2C-E does it better for me. We rave about 2C-E because it works for us. The PEAs especially are quite variable in their effects. I've had a LOT of LSD...more than any other psychedelic so I really know the material. But 20mg of 2C-E (for me) blew away all previous experiences. It is gold to me.

well I actualy obtained some 2c-e for my self, and realy the stuff feels dirty compaired to LSD and 2c-b. it does produce soem strong psychedelic effects but nothing Im looking for that CANT be had on lsd or 2c-b. I took a 20mg dose (mind you this was like the 6th times I ever done 2c-e) and felt realy alien, didnt have my whits about me at all and ws quite un social, total oppisite of LSD/2c-b. I dont know, it just doesnt fit into my use of psychedelics, Iv been there already, and there is just only so many ways you can watch your self fall apart without it getting old. Nothing new came from 2c-e that I havent had on at least 12 different psychedelics befor. the times I did it prior to 06/07 I thought it was magical, but now, its okay. Alot of you rave about it but what is so special about it? it has alot of stimulation and a realy long duration without the good euphoria other things of that sort of profile carry. I actualy was reminded of my 2c-i days last time I took it, just cracked out towars the end with mild to strong psychedelic mental stimulation.

Id rather take LSD for that, also judging by what others have done who I agev some to, effects arnt contant at any dose, one day 15mg can do it, while another 20 doesnt come close. 2c-b is for me when it comes to phens, 2c-e just offers to much for to long for me.

 

[hippyflippy]

my friend is getting some of this stuff soon... ive tried all the classic psychadelics, including cactus tea, but not really delved into the research chemicals... how is 2C-E and would it be safe to take a large dose if i find my self fairly comfortable with tripping, etc.?

 

[hippyflippy]

You should try a tiny dose (about 1-3mg) first, just to see if you have any bad reactions to the chemical.

If that turns out fine, then I'd recommend you go with a moderate to high/moderate dose for your first time, since you seem to know generally what to expect.

Also consider a sober (or at least "non-tripping") babysitter.

I will.... when you talk about bad reactions, are you referring to the nausea and overall disagreement witht he body, or the mind and trip might be strong? And i think i will have a sitter, don't usually have one but always wish i did at points... lol just good to have someone there to talk to when you need it...

 

[Ody]

2-ce

has still no one been charged for personal possession of 2ce in the united states?

 

[Ginger Jack]

Dude, I've never heard of someone getting cought w/ 2c-E, but then again
2c-B is the major 2c-x where I'm from.

 

[Youkai]

maybe not publicly, I know someone who got busted selling 2c-i. wentd won hard apparently for selling 200 20mg doses in gel caps to a undercover.

but this should actualy go to big and dandy 2c-e thread IMO.