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The Big & Dandy 25C-NBOMe Thread (part 2) ver. "My skin feels like lightning"

What [b]in your experience[/b] would be a maximum responsible buccal dose for 25C?

  • up to 400 μg

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • up to 600 μg

    Votes: 11 17.5%

  • up to 900 μg

    Votes: 9 14.3%

  • up to 1200 μg

    Votes: 25 39.7%

  • up to 1500 μg

    Votes: 9 14.3%

  • a dose higher than 1500 μg

    Votes: 5 7.9%
  • Total voters
    63
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I have two rapid questions:

I. Which is the closer classic psychodelic related with 25C-NBOME in terms of effects? Is it, in your opinion, similar to LSD, Mescaline, etc.?

II. Which are the main differences between this and 25I?
 
IamMe90 said:
survived abortion I thought I remember you posting in here that 25c was the shittiest dirtiest psychedelic you've tried? Better experiences since then?
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Yes, you're right. Well I found it to be two-phase in that regard, with the pleasant body-high of the come up giving way to a toxic body feel after the peak. On the come-up, there is marked tactile sensorial enhancement, which feels feels quite pleasant (not nearly as nice as the DOC body high or that from 4-sub-MiPT). I probably went a little bit overboard in my description of it above, but still, it gives an idea that the physical sensations seem to be a major part of the experience, at least in the beginning phase.

After the peak, I found that this feeling turns to a less pleasant sensation in my body. This is distinct from the physical stimulation of 25C, which seems to be already quite intense on the way to the peak. This is what I meant by shitty and dirty. However, I also feel that my these sensations could be the recognition of bodily toxins or general disharmony in the body. I have since been more physically active and generally healthier, and I wouldn't mind giving it a go again to see if this is the case. It definitely deserves more exploration.

On the mental side though, it's all sugar and spice and all things nice, and the description I gave above is a realistic account of how awesome a psychedelic it is. :)

One interesting thing is that I feel that my visual space has increased by a great deal since that experience. My general ability to visualize in the mind's eye has jumped by an order of magnitude, and this is apparent in both my subsequent trips on other substances, and also in my sober awareness.

Has anyone else experienced this leap in the visual imaginative space?
 
Survived Abortion said:
Yes, you're right. Well I found it to be two-phase in that regard, with the pleasant body-high of the come up giving way to a toxic body feel after the peak. On the come-up, there is marked tactile sensorial enhancement, which feels feels quite pleasant (not nearly as nice as the DOC body high or that from 4-sub-MiPT). I probably went a little bit overboard in my description of it above, but still, it gives an idea that the physical sensations seem to be a major part of the experience, at least in the beginning phase.

After the peak, I found that this feeling turns to a less pleasant sensation in my body. This is distinct from the physical stimulation of 25C, which seems to be already quite intense on the way to the peak. This is what I meant by shitty and dirty. However, I also feel that my these sensations could be the recognition of bodily toxins or general disharmony in the body. I have since been more physically active and generally healthier, and I wouldn't mind giving it a go again to see if this is the case. It definitely deserves more exploration.
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Have you ever had LSD? I find that the LSD has a slightly "toxic" feeling comedown, which pretty much exactly matches your description. As does 25I-NBOMe. This, paired with the fact that LSD has one of the highest therapeutic ratios of any psychoactive drug, says to me that any speculation of "bodily toxins" is pretty useless. Although, the argument could work the other way, too: just because a drug lacks a menacing bodyload doesn't mean a thing about its real safety profile.
 
So I'm still trying to run some tests and figure how best to dose this 25C-NBOME that I now have in my possession for me and my "circle". I had assumed it'd be straightforward and we'd have some measured out for this weekend, but that is toast - I'm not going to rush this. I'm comfortable with the liquid measuring and whatnot, but the blotters themselves are proving problematic.

I've sourced a couple varying sheets of #14 (140lb, cold press, natural white, rough texture) watercolor paper, and have been testing it's absorption of 250ul of water drops. First off, the drops are a lot larger than I anticipated (I may have to source a smaller volume pipette and up the concentration per ml and use smaller drops for convenience). In any case, it seems as if the drops don't soak very well into the material. They simply stay pooled on top, in little balls, for hours. That is fairly confusing to me, as this type of paper has been touted to be the "standard" blotter paper of choice. I would say at least 3 hours before the drops are gone, and I'm not convinced that it's soaked into the material so much as evaporated. My goal is not to evaporate water off of the surface, leaving only the 25C-NBOME on the surface, which would be extremely wasteful. I want it to soak into the interior of the paper, obviously.

Why is it that when you get a drop of liquid onto a piece of drawing paper, that you immediately have intense absorption on the bottom of the drop? Is it simply the thin dimensions of the paper?

Thanks for your insight guys. This is more challenging than I thought, but it's pretty interesting - I like challenges. I know there's a way to satisfy this dilemma.

PS - This is only for me and my friends. A few of us will probably snort it but the majority would rather take it "the old fashioned way", whatever that means (I used to drop on cubes more than blotters where I was from, but to each their own)

EDIT: I've done research obviously, and I am thinking of sourcing some actual blotting paper. Apparently watercolor paper has a coating (which is apparent on inspection) which is to prevent paint from bleeding uncontrollably on the surface into other paints/colors. However, that is merely a hindrance for this application, which is why I'm thinking of going the blotting paper route.
 
Need help with 25C-NBOMe Hcl

Im hoping someone can help me out with a problem I am having. I had 20 mg of 25C-NBOMe Hcl. I was going to take it orally (as a solvent) so I googled a little bit and read something about it dissolves in alcohol solutions really well. So i put 3mg of vodka inside a plastic bag with the 25C-NBOMe Hcl in it. It dissolved almost instantly. I put two drops of the substance on sugarcubes. (I ended up with about 50 blotters.) This way one sugar cube should be equvilent to a fairly decent test.... but no. The results were very mild and evenso in much larger quantities. :? Can anyone tell me what i might have done wrong? Mayby it was the vodka. Im thinink of trying the next expiriment with distilled. Would that work?

A big thanks to the person who can help me out here.<3
 
How do you weigh vodka, and why the hell would you put it in a plastic bag?


Next time put it in a glass vial with a dropper, if you put 40ML of vodka with 20mgs of NBOME, than 1ML should contain 500ugs of NBOME... but wait for someone to confirm this before you do it.
 
I had it in a plastic grip bag. Since th eamunt of 25C-NBOMe Hcl was so small it seemed better to pour the vodka staright into the bag. I did this with a seringe , since it had the measurements on it.
 
25C-NBOMe has a rather low oral bioavailability, so oral dosing is not really preferred, and not likely to be effective when using the same doses which are active via intranasal / sublingual / vaporization.

I suggest holding the blotters under your tongue.
 
Grip bag? Thats still stupid, its going to stick to the sides and your gonna lose a lot. Not to mention I dont think chemicals dissolved in solvents should be touching plastic.

What were the measurements on the syringe?

Because 3mg is not a measurement for liquid
 
I did put it under my tongue. How do you suggest I try it via intranasal / vaporization? Its such a small amount.

Well I got the 25C-NBOMe Hcl in a grip bag. If I would have taken it out of the bag an put it in a glass vial the losses would be much greater. Oh yeah i meant 3ml. Shouldnt make that much of a difference, should it?
 
If you had 20mg to 3ml ratio, that'd be a bit over 6.5mg per ml. You say two drops, but you don't tell us how large the drops were. I mean, even if your drop was only 1/8th of a milliliter, they'd still be a whopping 833ug each, a pretty big dose.

And you said you put two of them on there.

Please be specific, start using the correct terms, so that people can help you be safe with this.
 
Well if i got 50 blotters from 3 ml then one drop should have been somewhere around 0.03ml (because each sugarcube had 2 drops). yeah, it should be quite a good dose, but even 6 blotters had very mild effects. Mayby the problem was adding vodka to the HCl salt. I dont know.

I will soon get another 20mg. I might try another way of administering the chemical. Any sugestions or walkthrough would be welcome. :)
 
Ok I would like to push those who know in the direction to clear some things up that should be verified to help the community out. While we have growing knowledge about these compounds in their dosage,administration, and solubility, we are lacking on a few established properties.

I am going to post this in every nBOME thread that is a decent amount of pages long and hopefully we can get somewhere with this. These things are growing in popularity and we need to have something compact and concise to use as a reference for them.

Here goes:

1) Does the NBOMe compound need to be complexed to be active if it is a salt? Can an ethanol and NBOMe solution be active bucally/sublingually without HPBCD?

2) Does HPBCD allow the NBOMe compound to become orally active or does it simply allow solubility? Does the complexation result in a noticeably increased efficiency and better results?

3) Can both salt and freebase forms be vaporized or snorted or plugged?

These are the 3 most pressing issues (in my opinion) that I see that are not being cleared up. I see disagreements with many of them and many inconsistencies and would love this all to be cleared up and settled so that we can have a fully established understanding of these things.

I would also like to see a concise summary of the respective solubilities of the compounds listed in their varying forms. A concise complexing writeup would be nice to have also. That is really all that I am asking for, if a mod can help me get this thing going a bit more professionally as a broad overview of the compounds I think it would be very beneficial for the community. One page with everything on it relating to all the NBOMe's and all of the properties worked out.

We may not know everything but we know more than we used to. Lets get this stuff all together so people don't have to swim through 30+ pages to find their answers.

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/6...8#post10369718

Please respond with anything of relevance to this thread ^
 
Is it an awful idea to try this substance at a rave in combination with MDMA with little experience?
 
Cz_x: if you decide on this, please, please, please note that phenethylamines and MDMA synergize dramatically. If you decide not to try each substance by itself first (which you should :) ), then somewhere around half of a normal dose of each would be good.
 
Thanks, I'll stick with what I already know and try it on it's another time.
 
Okay so I recently took 800mcg sublingually and have mixed feelings on the results...I felt very dissociated (although I had almost no anxiety); colors were enhanced and sometimes faded into different shades of whatever color I was looking at and there was a little bit of movement of patterns. It just seemed weird because there wasn't really any noticeable euphoria and I was very clear minded (which maybe contributed to feeling dissociated). It was like I was tripping but sober.

Note that I had taken 400mcg a few days before (there didn't seem to be much, if any tolerance). Also when I took the 800mcg I had about 7 beers in my system, so that probably altered the drugs effects a bit. I would probably say that since I was around so many people, it made it more uncomfortable for me haha. Also my friend took 400mcg and said he felt a little bit dissociated. hmmm has anyone else felt similar to this?

I am definitely going to give this a few more tries at different doses. It seems like it would be good in combination with some 2C-X's
 
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