lysergication
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I found the 500µg/0.2ml concentration to be practical for intranasal adm.
The Big & Dandy 25C-NBOMe Thread (part 2) ver. "My skin feels like lightning"
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TheAppleCore
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Thanks. Appreciate the information. 
Another quick question:
I'm planning on using a 1 c.c. insulin syringe (as described in this post) for intranasal administration of 25C-NBOMe in solution. What is the lifespan of a single syringe used as such? Can I use a single syringe indefinitely, or is there any reason to replace my intranasal syringe every so often?
Another quick question:
I'm planning on using a 1 c.c. insulin syringe (as described in this post) for intranasal administration of 25C-NBOMe in solution. What is the lifespan of a single syringe used as such? Can I use a single syringe indefinitely, or is there any reason to replace my intranasal syringe every so often?
pharmakos
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my oral syringes need to be replaced every so often. can't imagine a nasal syringe would do a whole lot better.
IamMe90
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Eventually the measurement lines will be eaten away by the solution, perhaps after a month.
Also, if you have a 1CC insulin syringe, solutions can be quite concentrated and still accurately dosed, I find this beneficial for nasal dosing as the amount of solution I have to put in my nose is very bearable. My 25i-nbome solution is 15mg/mL, so to dose 1mg nasally I simply have to shoot ~6.5units of solution.
Also, if you have a 1CC insulin syringe, solutions can be quite concentrated and still accurately dosed, I find this beneficial for nasal dosing as the amount of solution I have to put in my nose is very bearable. My 25i-nbome solution is 15mg/mL, so to dose 1mg nasally I simply have to shoot ~6.5units of solution.
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^ Thanks.
In looking through my notes on the previous Big & Dandy 25C thread, I see that it was recommended somewhere to use no less than 30uL of liquid for nasal dosage (don't remember why). With a solution of 15mg/mL concentration, you would have to use <30uL of liquid if you wanted to dose anything less than 450ug of NBOMe-2C-C. Since a starting dose of ~200ug at most would probably be wise, I think a 5mg/mL concentration would be more flexible (and slightly more accurate to measure).
In looking through my notes on the previous Big & Dandy 25C thread, I see that it was recommended somewhere to use no less than 30uL of liquid for nasal dosage (don't remember why). With a solution of 15mg/mL concentration, you would have to use <30uL of liquid if you wanted to dose anything less than 450ug of NBOMe-2C-C. Since a starting dose of ~200ug at most would probably be wise, I think a 5mg/mL concentration would be more flexible (and slightly more accurate to measure).
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lysergication
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I'm thinking about trying 25C in combination with MDMA and would like to have advice concerning the doses if a BLer has already tried this combination.
I'm thinking about 140mg of MDMA followed by 350µg nasally of 25C 2h30-3h after the MDMA. Actually I'd like to know if the MDMA will make the 25C more potent ? Because I tried 2C-E after MDMA once and it was definitely stronger than expected.
I'd to have a visually active dose (meaning a bit more stronger than when I tried 250µg nasally) but less strong than the 600µg that floored me. I'd take 350µg for those desired effects if I wasn't taking the MDMA, should I lower the 25C dose ?
Maybe I'll rather try 250µg first and see where this lead me..
I'm thinking about 140mg of MDMA followed by 350µg nasally of 25C 2h30-3h after the MDMA. Actually I'd like to know if the MDMA will make the 25C more potent ? Because I tried 2C-E after MDMA once and it was definitely stronger than expected.
I'd to have a visually active dose (meaning a bit more stronger than when I tried 250µg nasally) but less strong than the 600µg that floored me. I'd take 350µg for those desired effects if I wasn't taking the MDMA, should I lower the 25C dose ?
Maybe I'll rather try 250µg first and see where this lead me..
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lysergication
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Yes, that's what I'm thinking too. I think I'll go for 200µg eventually. Even if the potency is doubled, I'd be ok.
from erny's post
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Mung Hunter
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K so I've had 25C and 25D-NBOMe dissolved in water for about half a year now. It's in a sealed glass vial and hasn't really been opened at all and kept it proper temperatures. I'm now thinking I should add some ethanol to it to make sure no bacteria develops(would I be able to see the bacteria at all?). You guys think it'd be a better idea to dry all the water off and re-dissolve it in a better solution, or just add some ethanol to the current solution of 550ug/ml? Also would benzyl alcohol work just as well?
IamMe90
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All I can say is that I've been using 1cc insulin syringes to measure solutions for awhile and they've always started to corrode over time, not sure what else to tell ya.
IamMe90
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Ah, makes sense. Well then I revise my advice to be careful with the outside of the syringes!
IamMe90
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800ug of 25d is going to be extremely weak.
From what I gather, 25c is more visual, more recreational, 25d is a deeper experience. I haven't got personal experience with either though, although after having taken 25i it's hard to imagine that either will be as good.
From what I gather, 25c is more visual, more recreational, 25d is a deeper experience. I haven't got personal experience with either though, although after having taken 25i it's hard to imagine that either will be as good.
I think that 2x 500ug 25C is about equal to 2x 800ug 25D from experience with those tabs. I've only pushed passed two tabs buccal with 25d and it felt like it was a bit much. (3x 800ug) Kinda left me with a headache and I just don't think its the sort of thing worth pursuing high doses with.
I'll try and compare 25d and 25c for you. I'm assuming you've heard the deal with the nbome's. It's a very light trip in the personal revalations, oneness, spirtual, magic etc etc department. But it still gives you some nice visuals, psychedelic body feelings, and amazing music appreciation.(orgasms)
25c
Greater visuals
More fractaly
More trails
Electric body buzz but less so than 25d
More clear headed
25d
Pastel swashes of color
"Deeper" though I don't like saying that at all
Greater music appreciation
More body buzzing. Music makes me want to twitch because it feels so good.
More empathetic
For what it's worth I gave a friend with little psych experience (1 trip on a single tab of lsd, 1 trip 25mg 4-aco-dmt) 2x 800ug 25d and just let her lay down and get floored by music. I mostly played The Mars Volta which she never heard before, and up until this point she never felt it either.
She told me that the drug almost felt too good in a hedonistic way. So i'm sure thats saying something about 25d as a psychdelic. She said during the experience she kept thinking "OMG I need to look this song up" but afterwards found the music "sounded a lot less crazy" and wasn't all that into it. The music definitely is not her normal cup of tea either but she was totally able to get into it during the trip.
Music is enhanced like crazy on either substance and I think thats the way to get the most out of it.
I'll try and compare 25d and 25c for you. I'm assuming you've heard the deal with the nbome's. It's a very light trip in the personal revalations, oneness, spirtual, magic etc etc department. But it still gives you some nice visuals, psychedelic body feelings, and amazing music appreciation.(orgasms)
25c
Greater visuals
More fractaly
More trails
Electric body buzz but less so than 25d
More clear headed
25d
Pastel swashes of color
"Deeper" though I don't like saying that at all
Greater music appreciation
More body buzzing. Music makes me want to twitch because it feels so good.
More empathetic
For what it's worth I gave a friend with little psych experience (1 trip on a single tab of lsd, 1 trip 25mg 4-aco-dmt) 2x 800ug 25d and just let her lay down and get floored by music. I mostly played The Mars Volta which she never heard before, and up until this point she never felt it either.
She told me that the drug almost felt too good in a hedonistic way. So i'm sure thats saying something about 25d as a psychdelic. She said during the experience she kept thinking "OMG I need to look this song up" but afterwards found the music "sounded a lot less crazy" and wasn't all that into it. The music definitely is not her normal cup of tea either but she was totally able to get into it during the trip.Music is enhanced like crazy on either substance and I think thats the way to get the most out of it.
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IamMe90
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That would conform with my experiences of 25i. Do 25d and 25c both actually distort music to an appreciable level (rather than merely enhancing such as a lot of classic psychedelics?) My favorite part of 25i's incredible auditory element was that music actually sounded a lot different than normal - it's not like I couldn't tell that my favorite songs were still the same songs, but many elements had a distinctly altered sound. The only drugs to do this for me are mushrooms and DMT, and these distort the song in a sometimes unpleasant way - IE a lot of glitching/repeating like with a scratched disc (although the novelty of this effect can be quite enjoyable as well).
Survived Abortion
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^It's a lot more fractally visual than 2C-E or the 4-sub tryps when taken at a dose that elicits a similar quantitative level of mind-space transformation (although qualitatively the mind-space is noticeably different from those two drugs). The closed-eye visuals I got from 750ug sublingual 25C blew away those of most of my intense psychedelic trips, the only rivals being high-dose 2C-T-2 and injected DPT, and perhaps DOC, but here the visuals are quite different. With 25C they were highly organised, platonic geometric shapes like tetrahedrons, spheres, and icosahedrons of varyingly wild and newly discovered colours rotating in perfect synchrony through a hyperdimentional landscape that surrounded my head. I saw 3D UFO type disks constructed of cobalt blue and white fractal gears emerging out of a fractal soup, zooming through endless tunnels walled with aztec patterns, whilst technicolour DNA, waterfalls, flowers, naked women, and super immense high-definition Gaian imagery poured forth in an endless stream from the centrestage. The 3D (sometimes 4D) depth is astounding.
The mind was relatively lucid on this. OEVs were less astounding than CEVS, but looking outside at trees and sky was beautiful nonetheless, and I noticed that there were distinct differences in the visuals from the 2C-x class, from shape and formation to colour and emotional involvement.
It is quite nootropic as well. I felt less much empathy for my environment than on other psychedelics, but I look forward to doing more experimentation to see how this aspect pans out, because it could also be quite related to mind set.
It is a very sensorial experience. The body high felt velvet lush (actually velvet is a very poor description but I can't think of other textures, silk maybe). Music was smooth as cream, you could almost feel it like butter between your lips, but it elicited a very neutral emotional response. Very peculiar. Again, more experiments needed.
I think it's very well worth giving a go, you may really like it. It's different to the 2C-x, tryptamines, and ergolines, understandably so given it's such a different molecular structure. But it is also unmistakeably phenethylamine in it's character. Hard to describe really, you just need to taste it and find out.
The mind was relatively lucid on this. OEVs were less astounding than CEVS, but looking outside at trees and sky was beautiful nonetheless, and I noticed that there were distinct differences in the visuals from the 2C-x class, from shape and formation to colour and emotional involvement.
It is quite nootropic as well. I felt less much empathy for my environment than on other psychedelics, but I look forward to doing more experimentation to see how this aspect pans out, because it could also be quite related to mind set.
It is a very sensorial experience. The body high felt velvet lush (actually velvet is a very poor description but I can't think of other textures, silk maybe). Music was smooth as cream, you could almost feel it like butter between your lips, but it elicited a very neutral emotional response. Very peculiar. Again, more experiments needed.
I think it's very well worth giving a go, you may really like it. It's different to the 2C-x, tryptamines, and ergolines, understandably so given it's such a different molecular structure. But it is also unmistakeably phenethylamine in it's character. Hard to describe really, you just need to taste it and find out.
yesterday my friends decided to indulge in some 25C-NBOMe, having experimented with intranasal doses of about 700ug, felt comfortable to push this drug to the envelope, we mixed a solution of 20% EtOH and distilled water. it was mixed to a concentration of 10mg to about .5 mL. we then soaked blotter in said solution. i must say, at higher doses i have found this psychedelic to be very deep and empathetic. the visuals were out of this world with about 1.5 mg dosed sublingually. we having dosed .5 mg, then another 1.o mg at 15 minutes later, i must say i experienced a very high +3 brushing +4. i believe that this drug is safe at somewhat higher doses than thought, so long as one develops an experience and understanding of the compound.
IamMe90
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survived abortion I thought I remember you posting in here that 25c was the shittiest dirtiest psychedelic you've tried? Better experiences since then?
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