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The Big and Dandy Salvia Thread (Archived start - 1-20-08)

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I heard a bong is better because the dose of salvia needs to be smoked in one or two hits because it metabolizes quickly, if you roll it into a joint, it will take a few minutes to smoke and you'll metabolize half of your dose before you get to the rest..

Is this true? o_O

I mean, because someone told me that there's no difference between smoking salvia using rolling papers and a pipe.
 
For some reason, people also recommend smoking salvia with a bong rather than a regular pipe. I'd like to know the reasoning behind that. But IME, using a bong does seem more effective.
 
If you've tried smoking salvia with a pipe you'll know. It burns! Bongs are good just not to big so that Salvinorin A doesnt condence on the inside of the bong.

random line from family guy: Con-den-sa-shun
 
Hmm I've actually tried smoking salvia with a pipe and didn't think it burned at all. It just didn't hit me as hard as it should have.
 
It was a 10x extract if IIRC, I think I've tried several extracts that way, haven't tried regular leaves though. I've heard several people compare smoking from a pipe vs smoking from a bong and they all have said a bong was far more effective.
 
^^ I find a bong more effective at smoking cannabis as well. I always thought it was because you can get a much bigger and deeper hit due to the way it's designed... once you fill the chamber, a lot of smoke IS going to get in your lungs, rapidly, and due to the cooling effect, you can get more before becoming agitated. I've always noticed with smoking things that you could take 2 medium hits, but if you take the same amount in one massive hit you'll get much higher. I'm not sure why that is.
 
Yeah it's more effective, but for salvia the difference seems huge when compared to cannabis; lots of people actually believe salvia doesn't practically work at all if a breakthrough is desired and a regular pipe is used (ie they take numerous hits from a pipe and hardly feel anything at all, while a single hit from a bong is more than enough to blast them into salvia-space). I can see the reasoning behind a bong being more effective in general (more effective absorption in the lungs etc), but with salvia there seems to be something else in play in addition to all that.

However, personally I haven't gotten to smoking salvia with a bong yet, so what I'm saying on the subject is merely based on what I've heard from other people.
 
Salvia20 + Bukket Bong =
me chasing my friend down the road after he sprints out of his house shouting like a madman
 
I have a gram of 10x still laying around here. A while ago I tried standard leaves and 5x with only level 2 effects - no big deal.
Since then I've read a LOT of reports and I've really become a little scared to
try and really breakthrough.
I understand just about everyone finds it to be the weirdest and most extreme consensus-reality removing substance.
But what are the risks in your experience? If there's a trip sitter, is it really true that it just takes like maybe 10 minutes and once youre back there is almost certainly no harm done? I've read some things about it being like seeing pure reality, unprocessed and terrifyingly raw... and some people really really wish they didn't see what they did.
Now I've had some pretty wild psychedelic experiences but I pride myself on having developed to be very stable and equanimous. These are hard questions but: can you just try this without it affecting you too much? What would be a reason for you that have tried it, in retrospect, to just leave it?
 
Solipsys said:
Now I've had some pretty wild psychedelic experiences but I pride myself on having developed to be very stable and equanimous. These are hard questions but: can you just try this without it affecting you too much? What would be a reason for you that have tried it, in retrospect, to just leave it?
There's really no build up in tolerance, so you can approach the higher levels of the experience in a stepwise fashion. Just increase the weight of your dose by maybe 20% each time you grow comfortable with a lesser weight. This should allow you get a solid experience of, for instance, level 4, while giving you just a few non-committal seconds in level 5. In fact, this is not only the safest way to approach salvia, but probably the most insight-bearing way as well.

That said, back in high school I gave salvia to a "mall rat" kid, whose trite attitude toward life annoyed me, hoping salvia would be such an eye-opening experience for him that he could never go back to his old perceptions (which I thought would be good). He had done acid and mushrooms before and clearly believed a legal herb like salvia couldn't hold a candle despite everything we told him. After he came out of it he was deeply disturbed. I'm told even now, many years later, that he still brings his experience up at inappropriate times, as though he is still struggling to integrate it. I think it helps to have faith that just because the reality salvia presents you with is utterly convincing at the time, that this is more likely due to a dampening effect salvia is having on your judgment rather than indicative of any revealed truth. The scope of possible human experience is immense beyond imagination, that is the lesson, but nothing about any revealed final truth. If you acculturate yourself to the effects slowly rather than jumping right in, you should have a better understanding of how it effects your psychology, know what to expect, and be better able to avoid any possible traumatic effects.

Even considering the unlikely psychological danger, I do believe anyone who is psychologically healthy, knows about salvia, and truly believes that gaining a wider perspective on life is important, is obligated to try, to the honest limits of their courage, to reach the highest levels of the salvia experience, as there is nothing that can take you farther from simple familiarity.
 
I think I may try a low dose of salvia tonight, and slowly work up to higher levels. I've been afraid for so long but I know that the salvia realm holds things I need to see. Or at least that I want to see.
 
pigeonsailor said:
can anyone share any salvia-related glossolalia incidents they have experienced or witnessed?
Not with salvia, but I've experienced glossolalia on 2C-E, and a 4-ho-DMT/ketamine combo, the later of which I started a thread on, here:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=321938
Saliva certainly seems like a likely candidate for this type of experience. I imagine from salvia's nature it would be of the incoherent babbling variety though.
 
4-ho-DMT/ketamine combo

:) man I combine K with just about any other drugs. Yes, and salvia.
I did the bumps first prepped a nice bowl of 20x and gived'er. I swear i mustve been thinking at the speed of light, all the while trying to absorb my friend's couch and dvd player.
 
^That brings up another point discussed earlier in this thread. Most who have tried it feel that using salvia with disassociatives tends to be a lot less traumatizing. Maybe such a combo would be a better way to get one's feet wet with salvia than taking salvia alone would. That is, in conjunction with stepwise increases in dosage.
 
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