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The Big and Dandy Salvia Thread (Archived start - 1-20-08)

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just found this thread. wanted to post. i have not read everyone elses reports though. some of my experience may be the same as others...

tried saliva for the first time 2 weeks ago. We had x15. loaded up a bong with a pinch of it. took 1 hit and finished the bowl, remember there was a pinch. my setting. my backm yard, about 75degrees 9:30pm, total darkness had pink floyd dark side of the moon on the stero. After my hit, i sat back and waited. After approx. 1 minute the effects took hold. and took hold they did.

I saw visions of my grandmothers house (i'm 44) when I was kid. It was like I could see my hand moving to open the fridge. then it felt like i was on a roller coaster but instead of the first drop going down hill, I had that feeling but going UP UP UP!!!!! My vision was impared, i could not see my wife 2 feet away. I could hear her, but only parts of what she was saying. She said I was on the ground laying on the grass, but I don't remember any of that. After about 7 minutes my trip was over, then for about 10 more minutes, I felt like i was walking on cotten. I would say the entire effect lasted from beginning to end about 25 minutes. After about an hour, I took another hit and the effects were more intense. I have not done it again since, but will one day soon.

To sum it all up. I would say for me. Salvia felt like a 9 hour acid trip all packed into 25 minutes.
 
not breakthrough

breakthrough trips are, just, totally,
something like "The trippiest feeling of existence, outside of reality itself."
 
STOP-dropANDroll said:
I would like to know what kind of experiences people have had with Salvia. Please include, what kind you smoked i.e. what breed or how powerful an extract, how much you smoked, the details of the experience, and how long it lasted. thank you.
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I smoked a bowl pack of some 10x on the comedown of a acid/san pedro trip. heres what happened:
I said a little prayer, hoping the san pedro would somehow protect and guide me (it may sound stupid, but anyone whose done high doses of san pedro knows)
I take the hit, pass the bowl to my girlfriend, lay back in bed:
slowly start counting back from 30 and I blew the hit out at around 14 seconds.
Instantly, i'm in my Mom's old house, I'm the fireplace and I can feel the bricks of the fire place being pulled apart. I think this took me by surprise so much that I came back to my body, but i was still at my moms house and the world was collapsing beneath me. I look down and see that i'm being sucked in, everywhere around me there are people holding me up with poles that are attached to an awning.
My moms entire neighborhood is being sucked up by these people...and they're coming to take me away.
The rest I don't fully remember but i slowly drifted back to reality before being taken away. The weirdest thing of all is that last time i smoke salvia i was right by the fireplace at my moms old house. So like the trip picked up exactly where it left off....except i haven't smoked salvia in like 3 years!!!

weird huh? anyone experience this with salvia?

the trip picked up exactly where it was left off....years ago. It kinda makes me want to try and see where these awning/pole holding tent are going to take me. But the hole thing is so bizarre and out of this world i'm a bit afraid.
 
^There are a couple of scenes from my childhood Salvia takes me to a lot. Then the scenes turn into Salvialand and the background totally falls apart and turns to strange patterns.
I have heard lots of people say they get taken to childhood scenes. Never could figure out why these scenes always come back on Salvia, but then again I could never figure out much about Salvialand....
 
^Over the past 8 years I've smoked salvia 10x (I'm hyper sensitive) about a dozen times and everytime the theme has been "leaving with a group". It's always me wanting to leave with the group and needing to catch up because I'm late, rather than the group coming to "get" me as in dankstersauce's experience. The first time I used it, it took me to a childhood scene where the daycare group I was a part of was leaving ahead of me to go outside and play, and I was worried I'd get lost in the school building without them. That was the most normal salvia experience I ever had.

It's interesting that the experiences of you two both seem to involve "restore points", with dankstersauce's being salvia, acting as a state dependent retrival cue for the location his last experience three years ago (and a very powerful cue at that), and your's being the same couple childhood scenes, brought up again and again. Anything special about these scenes or just the usual salvia randomness?
 
salvia is the strangest/hardest experience Iv ever had to intergrate, and I pride my self in simiforgetting the ultimate details of that first break through dose. My entire was just shattered and it ahd my parents in it telling me that they were very sorry but real lie was just a joke/ something to get you rolling into this REAL life of salvia, and it was so real!!! my life line snaped, people trying to figure out what to do with me, something ;like guitar strings of rainbow colors and one string (me) being snaped. that aweful feeling of being ripped backwards...



I warn anyone who hasnt done salvia to REALY consider how you can intergrate one of the strangest thing you coudl ever experience. those that read my posts should know Im one hll of a space cadet, but slavia is something I prob will never touch again, and those slavia experience in a way have scared me for life. Hell last night on DMT Ir eached a point which reminded me not of a higher plane of consciousness but of salvia consiouseness, where everything get bright and apears to be made of plastic, everything just turns fake... Thats not spose to happen
 
Youkai said:
salvia is the strangest/hardest experience Iv ever had to intergrate, and I pride my self in simiforgetting the ultimate details of that first break through dose. My entire was just shattered and it ahd my parents in it telling me that they were very sorry but real lie was just a joke/ something to get you rolling into this REAL life of salvia, and it was so real!!! my life line snaped, people trying to figure out what to do with me, something ;like guitar strings of rainbow colors and one string (me) being snaped. that aweful feeling of being ripped backwards...



I warn anyone who hasnt done salvia to REALY consider how you can intergrate one of the strangest thing you coudl ever experience. those that read my posts should know Im one hll of a space cadet, but slavia is something I prob will never touch again, and those slavia experience in a way have scared me for life. Hell last night on DMT Ir eached a point which reminded me not of a higher plane of consciousness but of salvia consiouseness, where everything get bright and apears to be made of plastic, everything just turns fake... Thats not spose to happen
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Theres no use trying to think about it if you havent done it.....

just maybe... its like.....
as REAL as reality (ie all your senses, including the feeling of existence of your body, are REAL). like the most vivid dream, like reality, in fact, except the feelings you can experience and the sensations you can feel and the things that happen are further removed from reality than anything ever experienced or even concieved of before. like, way.

things like this can happen:

You feel like you ARE this (most people dont understand what is like to feel like something else, and its impossible to explain, but thats what its like):
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salvia IMO is ideal training for other psychedelics. Once you've experienced 15 seemingly never-ending minutes of insanity after hitting 40x extract out of a three foot bong, you're basically ready for anything.... I mean, if someone can handle the salvia trip, they can basically handle pretty much anything.
 
^ I don't think it's true for longer lasting psychedelics which are more like a test of endurance.
 
yep, thats why im so pleased ive tried salvia before shrooms, lsd, any of the phenethylamines and the triptamines other than DMT.
i KNOW that its gonna be no more intense that what i experienced in salvia.....


still, sometimes i feel its a kind of pity..... well theres always combos!
 
Recept said:
^ I don't think it's true for longer lasting psychedelics which are more like a test of endurance.
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Yeah, good point. Personally though, after an eighth of mush and a few bong rips, the whole world is morphing around me, but the major difference is that I haven't lost my head. I am a big believer that although drugs produce the same general effects, the effects also depends on the user, cause everyone is different mentally. And for me, salvia takes my brain and sends it on vacation. It's kinda like a dream for me, where everything starts to make sense in a non-sensical way and I just go with it. Physical Salvia sensations IMO are much more intense and strange than with other psychedelics that i've tried. Sensations that my whole body is ripping apart in opposite ways, sensations that my throat is opening up and my face is ripping open are what i've experienced with salvia and they aren't euphoric sensations either.
 
seconded
first time was insanely scary until i forgot that i was on drugs, and on earth, and subject to the physical laws of this universe.
 
I don't disagree that salvia is probably the craziest and most intense experience one can have on a drug, I personally haven't even gotten to really intense doses of it before I got scared away (I'm sure I'm going back in one day though). BUT, if I think of some of my mushroom trips (higher doses of course, but sometimes 1/8th is enough to get me that far), when I was so far gone that I was certain I had gone permanently insane, I knew I had been that way for weeks, had completely forgotten I had consumed mushrooms, I had seriously considered suicide to make it stop but fortunately had no idea how to do that at the time.. I can't ever imagine an experience like that on smoked salvia, I mean it's more like "BAM!!!!! wtf???!?!?!?? OMG" and then already reality is starting to come back, there's no way it can in any way prepare you for those LONG psychosis-like experiences things like mushrooms and LSD can produce..

So quite different cups of tea really, but I can see your point in that if you can handle the salvia experience without freaking out, chances are you'll do well on any other drug that's capable of producing scary experiences as well.
 
Salvia is, in my opinion, one of the divine plants to fully un,ock the delsuions we have. There is NO boundaries at all in salvia space, no fragmentation, no dualism- all is one. I have been my hand on salvia. Or was my hand me? The hologram- where everything is actually the same thing albeit viewed from a different angle- these thoughts flood the mind when considering salvia. I would love to see measurement of brain wave patterning while on salvia, or conslt a psychic and get an aura reading. WhileI am very skeptical about iridology (diagnoses of helath problems through examining the iris) I am consulting a naturopath to attempt to break my drug addiction- she told me my 'eyes have seen a lot of things' with a quirky witch like smile. Of course, she may have just meant consensus reality.
 
I think its cause the experience is so unique that theres no rlation to any other expierence. LSD is like mushies...oh ok so I have done LSD therefore I can handle mushies. No, not with salvia. I see the same senario happening where partying-type people get slavia expecting another "crazy party" like acid or shrooms. Instead they all get brainfucked, confused, and scared, and ultimately loose self control. I know only one other person besides my self who isnt scared of/dislikes the salvia trip and appreciates it.
 
[ O T ]
everything is maths, but only because maths is everything.

i mean, if the universe was different, logic would be different, but maths would still be a numerical representation of THAT logic.
so the logic of the universe exists (it must, for the universe to exist, the universe defined as being all that follows the logical rules of the universe), and maths is just a way for us to explain this "logic"
maths = language of logic
physics = language of logic of universe
chemistry = language of logic of matter of universe
biology = language of logic of self-replicating matter of universe
psychology = language of logic of actions of self-replicating matter of universe.
sociology = language of logic of interactions of self-replicating matter of universe.
etc, becoming less precise, the further away from the mathematics of it, it is.

eg
why does he make his hair like that?
impress girls social wants to
get girl psychological wants to
fuck girl biological wants to
get pleasure chemical because
neurotransmitter "fits" physical because
its the right geometric structure mathematical.

god i love reductionism.


so you see, everything is mathematical, fundamentally the universe is, but only because mathematics was created by humans to explain everything IN the universe.
[ / O T ]
sorry, doesnt really belong but you mused at me =D
 
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