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The Big and Dandy Salvia Thread (Archived start - 1-20-08)

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diche said:
theres just more variables thats all.
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well naturally.
generally at the point of non-molecular biology and beyond, the amount of variables is so large that concepts are no longer explained mathematically, rather arbitrarily. the mathemetics is still there, however, and any concept could still be expressed mathematically, it is just more efficient to do so semantically, on levels of greater complexity.
 
psood0nym said:
...............That said, back in high school I gave salvia to a "mall rat" kid, whose trite attitude toward life annoyed me, hoping salvia would be such an eye-opening experience for him that he could never go back to his old perceptions (which I thought would be good). He had done acid and mushrooms before and clearly believed a legal herb like salvia couldn't hold a candle despite everything we told him. After he came out of it he was deeply disturbed. I'm told even now, many years later, that he still brings his experience up at inappropriate times, as though he is still struggling to integrate it.
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Sounds like you didn't value this "mall rat" very much. I can't think of a more cruel trick to play on someone "whose trite attitude toward life annoyed me", than giving them Salvia. Sounds like he's maybe even more damaged than he was before.

Sorry if this sounds judgemental, but it is - anyone who understands the effects of Salvia needs be wary of using it to exact divine retribution in niaive subjects.

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Madhatter4 said:
Salvia was on the national news the other day!!!! The DEA is going to schedule this shit in 3.. 2.. 1..8)
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well Im gonna buy a whole buncha plants. see how they like me now.....well since Im in canada we have more time until we becomes slaves to such draconian drug laws. yay 2c-i

Were the news reporters all serious like "teenagers....drugs...getting high....acidents.....children....may cause cancer.....potent psychoactive....threat....danger...death" (dots mean useless gibber jabber that makes idea make sence. all the public want to hear are those words.
anymore??
 
EntheoDjinn said:
Sounds like you didn't value this "mall rat" very much. I can't think of a more cruel trick to play on someone "whose trite attitude toward life annoyed me", than giving them Salvia. Sounds like he's maybe even more damaged than he was before.

Sorry if this sounds judgemental, but it is - anyone who understands the effects of Salvia needs be wary of using it to exact divine retribution in niaive subjects.

E
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I agree in principle. Only it wasn't a matter of revenge or a trick in any way, just an evil passing hope. Everyone was raving about the experience and telling him to do it, he WANTED to do it, and we DID tell him that it was intense and that nothing could prepare him for it. I did have a feeling it would give him trouble though, and didn’t step in. However, to deny him alone a try at that point not actually knowing what would happen would have been extremely insulting and condescending. The old perceptions of his that I never wanted him to be able to return to have to do with racism, misogyny, and materialism, and never had I crossed anyone who had a powerful negative reaction at that point either. It was more something I planned to just sit back and feel justified about--his bringing it on himself. 8 years ago. That intention backfired, I did feel bad even though I thought it would ultimately be for the better, and that’s why I mentioned it. Though I can certainly see how you wouldn't read all this into that post! (BTW the guy is fine, kind of a flake I hear, as he always was, but in school, girlfriend etc. Salvia was more than likely just the most intense and disconcerting drug experience he ever had, so he brings it up a lot. According to a friend he's refered to it as a "spiritual" experience. So maybe it did some good after all.)
 
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Madhatter4 said:
Salvia was on the national news the other day!!!! The DEA is going to schedule this shit in 3.. 2.. 1..8)
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So how is that funny? :\

diche said:
Were the news reporters all serious like "teenagers....drugs...getting high....acidents.....children....may cause cancer.....potent psychoactive....threat....danger...death" (dots mean useless gibber jabber that makes idea make sence. all the public want to hear are those words.
anymore??
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Don't forget "eeeeevil", "unpatriotic", "unchristian" and "burn the witch!". 8)
 
Xorkoth said:
Whoa... I suppose. Mostly I just enjoyed that video, by the end at least once I understood what was going on. =D
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as Iv commented befor, I am STILLintergrating that first rbeak through dose of salvia, the more I think and remeber my past experience salvia may just be a grouping of prreviously experienced perceptional experiences but are molded into a liner fashion which does not follow the actual order of events as I precieved to have precieved them. Like lil stuff will be like Oh I remebr that when I was like 3, AND I remeber something similer while on that salvia trip!
 
Actually, funny you mention the age thing... I haven't broken through with salvia, but the sub-breakthrough experiences I've had have reminded me very strongly of pre-language perceptions from when I was a small child. They're like the flashes of intense nostalgia in the fall that I get, brief sensory packages consisting of a basic pattern of shape and color, something really basic, and a strong bundle of emotions and some sort of vague smell in my nose. Except more vivid of course. My theory is that since I was born in June, October/early November was probably a very important time in my development as a conscious being so that's the time of year I experience this feeling. It makes me feel a combination of comforted and sad. Not so much sad, as a sort of longing feel.
 
I recently tried salvia for the first time. I smoked around .01 grams of X60 in a water bong and then 2 hours later I smoked about .015 grams. At the time it was very late at night and I was sleepy. My experiences were basically that of waking up from a dream that you can't remember. All I got were some fleeting memories of silly little dreams. It was more like watching a show in my dream than me actually being there. When I did it I was laying down in my bed both times. Do other people have this problem of poor recall and complete loss of mental faculty/awareness? A friend of mine said that when he smoked it he retained his complete mental faculty the entire trip and could eaisly remember everything. Do you think maybe I was bordering on the 6th platue of amnesa or maybe if I smoked it when I was wider awake that would help? Or is this typical of smoking salvia?
 
Xorkoth said:
Actually, funny you mention the age thing... I haven't broken through with salvia, but the sub-breakthrough experiences I've had have reminded me very strongly of pre-language perceptions from when I was a small child. They're like the flashes of intense nostalgia in the fall that I get, brief sensory packages consisting of a basic pattern of shape and color, something really basic, and a strong bundle of emotions and some sort of vague smell in my nose. Except more vivid of course. My theory is that since I was born in June, October/early November was probably a very important time in my development as a conscious being so that's the time of year I experience this feeling. It makes me feel a combination of comforted and sad. Not so much sad, as a sort of longing feel.
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Interesting. Maybe you are reliving the memories of what it "was like to be" a child before language. Salvia often evokes memories of childhood. I also get strong feelings of nostalgia and aesthetic moods in fall. Usually in the forms, again, of "what it was like to be" during the previous or past falls. Of course at the time you weren't aware that your life as you lived it had its own zeitgeist, yet you know unmistakably and on the first experience of it that that is what this nostalgic feeling represents. Then again I also get these in spring. For me at least, I think it's just that all the novelty of the transition of the the seasons provides a much more accurate emotional and aesthetic measure of time, and so provides ample recall cues.

Don't feel bad though. It's human nature to romanticize the past and remember the good times but not the bad. Often times nostalgia just makes the present seem inadequate, even if that's not true.

Squerll:
That was probably the coolest commercial I've ever seen. I see what you mean.

supercoolmancool:
Only way to find out is to start out a lot lower and work your way up gradually.
 
supercoolmancool: My experience (see my recent trip report) has been pretty similar to yours, and I'm using 5x. So overly high doses may not be your problem, although I suppose trying a lower dose wouldn't hurt.
 
psood0nym said:
Interesting. Maybe you are reliving the memories of what it "was like to be" a child before language. Salvia often evokes memories of childhood. I also get strong feelings of nostalgia and aesthetic moods in fall. Usually in the forms, again, of "what it was like to be" during the previous or past falls. Of course at the time you weren't aware that your life as you lived it had its own zeitgeist, yet you know unmistakably and on the first experience of it that that is what this nostalgic feeling represents. Then again I also get these in spring. For me at least, I think it's just that all the novelty of the transition of the the seasons provides a much more accurate emotional and aesthetic measure of time, and so provides ample recall cues.
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I get VERY nostalgic and wistful during spring and summer- memories (very cloudy) of, well basically, basking in sunshine. While memory cues and small subtle subconcious reminders may be the link, it also may be that a part of us is still experiencing those events. Thats why the sensations are so vivid, almost like when you catch a perfume, (madeline cake and tea!!) and enter total recall. This is, of course, if you were to accept the idea of life as a hologram :). Regardless, I think those experiential glimpses back into the past are absolutely blissful and priceless. It is interesting that you use the term "reliving"; as it is impossible to actually to relive something. Or is it? Are all potentials always in existence?

Squerll:
That was probably the coolest commercial I've ever seen. I see what you mean.
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Agreed. Replication seems very common with breakthrough but not break-the-fuck through doses. On 'minor' breakthroughs, if you'll permit such a stupid term, the dominant things seems to be the MASSIVE visual warping of everything into a kaleidescopic miasma. With 'major'(8) ) breakthroughs, chances are that your entire surroundings will vanish; for me, I was left with a very ancient tribe, or at least two members, one a powerful female shaman; the other an old cruptic man whose purpose was unknown. This scene was so vivid; I hope to one day come acrsoss the place in the world where it REALLY was.
 
^ Yeah, I've gotten this replication effect at sub-breakthrough doses as well. Actually, I've never broken through with salvia, but I've smoked it maybe a total of 5 times, and one or two of those trips were like that. I had actually no visuals, everything in my visual field remained the same, but at the same time I 'saw' all those replicas of myself. They were 2D, it was almost as if I was standing in front of millions of TV-screens aligned in a 2D matrix, they all had a picture of me, and every movement I made would reflect on those screens, only slightly differently on each one. It was as if I was witnessing myself simultaneously in all those parallel dimensions, while remaining experientally completely in my own at the same time. Hard to explain really, but I'm sure you know what I mean if you've done salvia.
 
Had my first salvia experience last night. I think I probably need more, I felt really light headed and just kept asking my friend to "take me to the next plane" which I assume means I was close to a break through. It was a pretty awesome feeling though, and although I had minor tripiness I'm hoping the next time will be better.
 
I love the sence of delusion I get of my surrondings. One time I thought I was in a doll house and that someone was going to open it and all of us inside were gonna fall out. That and yellow/pink bubbles that appear everywhere always signify that I have entered the salvia mindstate realm
 
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