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The Big and Dandy Salvia Thread (Archived start - 1-20-08)

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Done it 6 Times and I still haven't tripped hard. The same thing happens. I hold in in until I start to drift away. Then it feels like I'm not alive, then I feel like I'm falling. I forget I'm alive and I slowly start coming back to my senses. But so far no trips. Just a lot of sweat. I'll keep trying tho.
 
Salvia divinorum

I am an experienced Salvia user, but I haven't conducted any research with it for quite some time. I have always smoked it, but lately I've been excited about administering it in the traditional way. However, this really has nothing to do with why I am creating a thread.

My question is concerning the flowering of Salvia divinorum. I was looking at photos on the Internet of the plant, and I am curious if there are higher levels of Salvinorin A in the flowers, as most psychoactive plants have higher concentrations of active compounds within a certain part of the plant. I imagine if I were to assume that this was true, I would be incorrect as I have not seen any vendors selling the flowers.

Any information about this would be greatly appreciated. I would also be interested in any sources of recent Salvia research that might indicate medicinal value of any kind.

A while back I read an article about the idea of a non-addictive pain management medication based on the fact that Salvia crosses the kappa-opioid receptors. Obviously this is quite far fetched, but it still caught my attention.
 
For me it has some potential, if I smoked some salvia every night I definitely would not feel like getting fucked up after it. :)
 
I’m not sure about the content of ingredient in the flowers but I know it is very rare to get them to flower. In one year all the Salvia Divinorun flowers in the world for that year dried probably wouldn’t even weigh more then a few ounces.
 
^^^Not so rare, I've seen it. The salvinorin is at its highest content in the leaf- thats why hydroponic lighting is basically unnessecary for Salvia, stimulating bud growth is unwanted almost. One would use a floruscent globe, whiter light helpsleaves to grow. So, salvia flowers are definitely less potent then the leaves....
 
willow11 said:
^^^Not so rare, I've seen it.
Just out of curiosity where did you see flowers and were the pollinated? And what time of year or lighting cycle? I don’t know much about plants but I tried to grow a Salvia plant one year so I have a little interest in them.
 
willow11 said:
^^^Not so rare, I've seen it. The salvinorin is at its highest content in the leaf- thats why hydroponic lighting is basically unnessecary for Salvia, stimulating bud growth is unwanted almost. One would use a floruscent globe, whiter light helpsleaves to grow. So, salvia flowers are definitely less potent then the leaves....
I am very interested in the flowers you saw also? Also what your theories on the almost impossible task of seed production with Salvia Divinorum. Do you go along with the cultigen theory? or do you have another. This is a very fascinating plant thanks for sharing your experiences with it.
 
morninggloryseed said:
If anything, it is also very interesting and bazaar.

morninggloryseed said:
My dozen or so experiences with Salvia divinorum were very strange, interesting, bazaar, and beyond the description of any words I now know.

Sorry, morninggloryseed, for my excessive pedantry, but isn't a "bazaar" a Middle-Eastern marketplace? I believe the word you are looking for is "bizarre".

Had to point it out. I've always been a bit of a grammar-bug. :)
 
luckytaak said:
I am very interested in the flowers you saw also? Also what your theories on the almost impossible task of seed production with Salvia Divinorum. Do you go along with the cultigen theory? or do you have another. This is a very fascinating plant thanks for sharing your experiences with it.

Hey. I don't know anything about cultivation, but you may like this website, made by a guy I know on a Salvia forum.
http://members.cox.net/sageseeds/index.shtml
He's got a quirky writing style, but he's one of the few people to successfully produce seeds from his Salvias.
 
^^That guy has been posting some nice pics on the Internet.
I was reading the above link and it says there are reports of wild seed production in Hawaii already, that is amazing but it doesn’t surprise me in Hawaii. They say there is no humming bird to pollinate in Hawaii maybe it could be a honeycreepers or one of those finches that developed those long beaks.
 
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willow11 said:
And rightfully, but its an important substance. I'd have a much more empty brain had I not gone crazy with salvia for a period....
Despite the fact that I haven't used it in over a year, I don't really "enjoy" it, and I can't really work with it psychologically, I believe its sheer ability to transport one into another utterly convincing and completely novel world makes salvia one of the most important psychedelics available. In terms of mental exploration it's really in its own class--one wholly distinct from serotonergics and dissociatives in my experience--which makes it invaluable to anyone seeking the widest possible scope of experience in their life (strangely the closest I've had to a salvia trip involved ketamine and 4-ho-DMT mixed together and IM'd). A routine salvia excursion, even of just 5X, always has me walking about, unaware of my surroundings, convinced of a new identity (or numerous simultaneous identities) that's leaving with a familiar group; none involved are human and all of us are in the thrall of metaphysical currents that surge beyond the purview of my most outre dreams. Salvia is where you go when you disappear. It also has the fascinating capacity to create hyperspatial visions when used with even a moderate dose of ayahuasca, though I've only done this twice (and I've only ever experienced hyperspatial perception twice).
 
Salvia Tincture

I've recently acquired some salvia tincture with a concentration of 1 mg of salvinorin A per ml.

I was just wondering if anybody who has tried taking salvia orally in a tincture could describe the trip. How does it differ from smoking in terms of time-line, intensity, etc? Do you still experience the breakthrough that comes with smoking?

Also, in your experiences, what kind of dose is effective for a breakthrough experience.
 
For me, 3x2ml doses over 12minutes. Transition commenced after 2nd dose, then over the next 10-15 minutes, smooth transition to level 4/5 - this was characterised by 20 minutes of terror, annihilation, entities entering my body and suicidal compelling voices (which were so real I had to fight them as if they were coming from someone inside me). Then a long 30 minute tail-off where I inhabited some marshy realms at the beginning of time - sheer beauty and wonder, strange amphibian-type proto-human creatures slithering about. Then it all quickly dissipated leaving me disappointed that I had to leave (especially after my fight for life earlier). Felt great for ages after, and in a very subtle way, more confident for 2-3 months.

A wonderful cleansing experience. Highly recommended. Much more easily accessible and easily recollected that the roller-coaster smoking experience.

But then many people report that the tincture is disappointing and that they only really get eye-candy.

Hopefully you'll be a soft-head like me.
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hm, would you classify losing 5 minutes of your life and believing one had become a train for the next 10 minutes (all the while drooling all over oneself) is "breaking through" ?
 
I've experimented with a quarter ounce of very good 10x and a quarter of equally good 20x in the past few months. Here's my take...

Salvia definitely comes with an external "entity". I didn't come into this thinking "wow! I'm going to see an indian god!". I came into it with the same stoic attitude I always have with drugs... "chemical reaction." But my experience and the experience of everyone I've shared with confirms for me that there is an "it" to salvia. Whether it taps some sort of "god reflex" that we've evolved to house in our brains or whether there is something behind it - I wouldn't venture to guess. But if you haven't felt anything from Salvia, it's because "it" is not ready or willing to engage you.

The "it" may be your unconscious mind, or "it" may be some kind of metaphysical entity. Take your pick. But I can say with a high degree of confidence that if you make the proverbial contact, you'll know it; and you'll understand what I'm saying.

My abbreviated experience:
I first got some 10x and took one hit.. at home alone. It scared the hell out of me even though it didn't do very much. I'm always a little apprehensive testing really powerful stuff out. In the following weeks I inched my way into these waters smoking gradually more and more. The first few experiences with this drug definitely seem to be pulling and twisting and spiraling. A few times I thought to myself "never again." To me, these are Salvia's warning signs: a sort of "feel this instensity and know that if you go any further, anything may happen." The message gets through...

If Salvia hasn't scared you off for good at this point, the next question is - does it like you? I know it sounds strange to the uninitiated, and to the skeptic maybe downright silly. From the psychological viewpoint it might be something like "do you like yourself and/or is there anything traumatic in your life that is severely repressed?" You are flirting with merging into the basic energy pool of your own mind. And this fundamental fabric of your psyche will take the form of another entity.
One fine evening I decided that I'd become comfortable enough with this damn wild thing to do two gravity bong hits in the kitchen sink. I had my bedroom all ready with a candle and some good music ready for "play". I barely made it to my bed. My one leg was actually hanging a little off of it. My ego was instantly obliterated and this was the ride. I hate to polute the experience with words because they betray any such experience... to say "i thought I was dead" is itself so self-contradictory because there was no "i"... those are the words of recollection.

In one of my earlier experiences I had felt like I was the blade of a plow, and earth was flapping up over top of my head. And it really felt earthy. I grew up near cornfields and small farms and it reminded me of that. During my "ego death" experience, it was as if I were above the fields. Being shown the macrocosm of this reality. It wasn't extremely vivid visually... it was more a "knowing" something than "seeing" it.

It's still legal here and I have a couple ounces of 30 on the way so hopefully I'll have more to share. Thanks for listening! :)

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