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The Big and Dandy Salvia Thread (Archived start - 1-20-08)

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One brief thing I have read about salvia (re: propagation) is that if you can get it to flower, which usually takes a bit of acclimatising, the quanity of actives in the leaves increase.

I have no idea how to get salvia to seed- my attempts at growing it left me with a goodly amount of smokeable material, and some cuttings which I planted around twon ( dead of course), but very little insight into the growth patterns of salvia. Some people have had success hybridizing (if thats the right term) divonorum with s. splendens. One thing that surpises me is how much salvia apparently likes the cool- I was warned about frost, but a lot of anecdotal reports I've heard say that after acclimatising the plants for a year or two, they become even alpine friendly. The problem in Australia is that there was only one clone propagated from (?) so it seems salvia will remain infertile for a while here.

Theres tonnes of websites out there on growing salvia, which is where I got learned most of the basic stuff I know.
 
Salvia Tolerance

Can you get a tolerance from smoking Salvia to much or would you trip everytime you smoke it? So if somone had a couple of vials and kept smoking it over the night would he trip alot or would there be a tolerance?
 
I doubt you can build up a tolerance to salvia. But the more you smoke the more experienced you're going to be with it and start smoking higher extracts of salvia.
 
Somehow I have a hard time believing that anybody might be faced with a situation where tolerance would be a negative factor regarding salvinorin.

However, I think that it is likely that a tolerance could develop, especially if the drug was given in continuous small doses and delivered orally rather than smoked- a threshold dose would likely increase over time. This tolerance would be highly time dependent and might dissipate completely if dosing intervals on the order of hours were introduced.

All speculation, of course.

I find that the only thing that affects dosage is the quality of the extract, quality of the leaf, and ability to hold in the smoke produced when vaporizing salvia.
 
Visionary_Kpsycho said:
Can you get a tolerance from smoking Salvia to much or would you trip everytime you smoke it? So if somone had a couple of vials and kept smoking it over the night would he trip alot or would there be a tolerance?
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As you can see V_K, there's not a lot of experience out there of hammering Salvia until the sun comes up.

Can I suggest that you act as guinea pig and get back to us (if indeed that will be possible) straight after.

I, and I'm sure countless others including yourself would seriously love to know =D .

E

p.s. I know I should do it myself, and I am working to it 8( . It's just that even one breakthrough leaves me shell-shocked for a couple of months =D .
 
Ive heard of reverse tolerance with Salvia and also experienced it. But i think it just comes down to learning and knowing the drug more with less of a dose. And it also lets you build it up in your body like nitrous does, so smoking it when the peak goes away can put you back there or even further.
 
When I first augured salvia it was 5x extract 1g.

I smoke it with friend watching me over. When I took one lungful full of it from water pipe. I was just blown away by it. my friend said that when I took it, I immediately layed down and wasn't answering and was there about 5min then I was taken to bed for laying down another 15min. All I can remember was that I was in true salvia space in salvia scale 5. I saw elves and other dimensions in that 5min than for me lasted like forever. It was mind blowing experience.

Other times(3times) I took less and still was in salvia space and saw many salvia induced things. All other times were outside experiences.

Now, for many trips with shrooms, lsd and RC's(10-14 different) I have gotten medical condition doesn't allow me take trips or psychedelics at this point of time. In future I will again since I have 7 different RC's left and all in 500mg-1g.

Let assume one thing, if you have psychosis or schizophrenia, but you are stable and take medications. Is it wise thing to use salvia or any other psychedelic? I know answer for it myself but maybe someone this condition have had experience like that!!!

That's about it.
 
I've been experimenting a lot with Salvia lately and I have definitely built a sort of tolerance. However I've also found that it's very unpredictable and finicky. I've had times where I shoot for a "breakthrough" with 30x, taking multiple hits and it just won't have anything to with me. Then there are other times where I'll do a single hit of 10x or 15x and poof - I'm obliterated and slowly reconstructed.
But on the whole - I don't know if it's tolerance or familiarity. What at first was a pulling and sort of tearing feeling is now quite familiar and feels more like a sort of massage in a way. It used to feel scary, now it feels kind of nice and familiar.
But I agree with EntheoDjinn. Once you break through, the odds that you're going to want to go back right away are pretty slim. seems like no matter how many times you go through that door you come back out a little pale and shaken. :)
 
i have not broken through since my first experience about a year ago.

i've smoked plenty of salvia since...mostly 15x extract...
continuously packing and snapping bowls-on some occasions smoking at least four times what i smoked that first time.

but i have never reached that same level
i seem to get caught on what i call "the functional plateau"
there is some strangeness, some spinning, even some gridlike visuals
but i am functionally "stoned" and aware of my surroundings
not launched into the aether as before.

i think i've pretty much given up with salvia. it's just not enjoyable or valuable enough. i don't tend to learn things from these functional doses...i just get tired and confused.
 
Xorkoth said:
^^ Weird... most people report that the more familiar you are with it, the less you will need to break through.
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yeah, i'm pretty much the evidence against reverse-tolerance.

but i have never smoked it by the same method [bubbler] as the first time...
although i'm slightly skeptical as to how much difference that would make.
 
I can't smoke enough in a bowl to break through. Even @ 30x. My first breakthrough was two gravity bong hits (2-liter bottles in the kitchen sink.) I now use a good pyrex-type bong that holds ice cubes in the top part (in addition to the water) and a torch lighter. It has to burn really hot to melt the crystals in the extract forms...
I tend to want the full ego-death experience. It takes a lot of smoke and even then there's no guarantee it will take me there. But when it does it's like seeing a tsunami coming. Even though it's just a hump out there I can tell right away it's going to wipe me out. I always have a cigarrete and a strong drink waiting for me for when I get back. haha.
 
ive smoked salvia in binges, from 9pm till 4am or so, on multiple occasions. Didn't really notice a tolerance
 
my first breakthrough was the first time i smoked it on 10x. since then (about a year) i've broken through on the same amount, and even less! but other times it was like i was rejected by 'her' and found myself almost sorry i wasn't ready for it. anyway, my relationship with her is growing...
 
I experienced a near breakthrough my first time smoking the stuff by taking one big hit out of a cheap glass pipe with a bic lighter using some unstandardized 5x, so I'm definitely more sensitive to Salvia than most people.

I've been using it once every few months for 2 years now, and the experience never seems to get old.

Gravitational oddities with vivid, mostly tropical themed open and closed eyed visuals and the nice afterglow after the peak wears off makes me want to keep using it. Plus, one single hit of standardized 10x out of a simple glass pipe with a bic lighter gives me a full breakthrough.
 
I got some 20x salvia and broke though once but now it is too harsh and I can’t take more then one small hit with out coughing my lungs out. I want to break through again but I can’t handle the smoke. What is the most powerful salvia someone can get?
 
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Also should I have some pot handy? Or is it unnecessary?

I've read that you need to keep it really hot, glass pipe? Would rolling papers do?
 
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