The Big and Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread (Archive start - 4-14-2008)

[Gahan]

You should have tried that without using the baking soda too. For all you know it didn't react and caused the nausea, the sprouting could work.

How positive are we that the glycosides cause the nausea?

 

[SoulSeeker]

It's possible. I used 1 tablespoon of baking soda, which might have contributed to nausea because of the saltiness. However, I think baking soda is a home remedy for nausea, so I don't think it was the primary cause of the nausea.

I know other who have used the sprouts with no nausea, and highly recommended it. I think it would be very interesting to try it with sublingual administration, since the sprouts will be much more water soluble than a ground-up powder. You could just chew 5 sprouts without swallowing and see what happens.

I don't think there's any evidence that cyanogenic glycosides cause the nausea. I'm more inclined to believe that the psychoactive ingredients themselves are nausea-inducing.

 

[J. Alfred Prufrock]

Who said anything about cyanogenic glycosides. You see any way that the above glycoside could generate cyanide thereby making it "cyanogenic"?

I don't.

 

[PsyGhost]

My question is, if the sprouts are active, at what point does a seedling become inactive?

 

[SoulSeeker]

That's a good question, I wondered that myself. My sprouts were probably an inch in length at the time.

I read another report that said that the soapy-like liquid in the seedling (that lubricated between the sprout and the seed coat) was psychoactive itself transdermally just by handling it.

I rinsed my sprouts with water before ingesting, so I'm pretty sure the sprouts themselves are psychoactive.

Prufrock--Most online sources call them cyanogenic glycosides (including wikipedia). I wasn't stating this as a fact, I was stating that I don't think they exist, and that the nausea is caused by the active ingredients.

 

[PiotrZak]

It's possible. I used 1 tablespoon of baking soda, which might have contributed to nausea because of the saltiness. However, I think baking soda is a home remedy for nausea, so I don't think it was the primary cause of the nausea.
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You are correct about this -- baking soda is the same as Alka-Seltzer. A tablespoon is six times the normal dose, and could have caused nausea by deacidifying too much (eat a whole roll of Tums sometime if you don't believe this), but since you added acid this strikes me as unlikely.

Here's my theory why base treatment might render a seed extract less nauseous:

If it's not much trouble, I'd be interested in knowing what this is excerpted from.

 

[hamhurricane]

i was personally amazed by how quickly HBWR took effect, i chewed up four seeds, without removing anything, i was at a strong ++ in six minutes and reached full effects in less than 20, never got to a +++ i forced myself to vomit after an hour of laying in a half-consious state on my bed, non-revelatory, non-visual, somewhat sedating, a general shitty body feeling. Next time ill try a morning glory alcohol extract i think. or i will mix with weed.

 

[PiotrZak]

Thanks. That should keep me busy for a while, once I have university library access again.

 

[Gahan]

It's possible. I used 1 tablespoon of baking soda, which might have contributed to nausea because of the saltiness. However, I think baking soda is a home remedy for nausea, so I don't think it was the primary cause of the nausea.

I know other who have used the sprouts with no nausea, and highly recommended it. I think it would be very interesting to try it with sublingual administration, since the sprouts will be much more water soluble than a ground-up powder. You could just chew 5 sprouts without swallowing and see what happens.

I don't think there's any evidence that cyanogenic glycosides cause the nausea. I'm more inclined to believe that the psychoactive ingredients themselves are nausea-inducing.

That is the theory I was going to propose. Serotonin receptors are very numerous in the gut, and since LSA acts on a serotonin receptor subtype, it is not unreasonable to suppose the compound itself causes the nausea.

Which is a good argument for the sublingual method.

 

[Gahan]

My question is, if the sprouts are active, at what point does a seedling become inactive?

This is a very good question. Perhaps even the adult plant matter is also active?

I know the roots are edible and thus probably are not...

 

[J. Alfred Prufrock]

Microchemical Investigations of Medicinal Plants. XIII
Separation of the Alkaloids in the Leaves of Ipomoea violacea
Using Thin Layer Chromatography

Jeffrey M. Weber and T. S. Ma
Mikrochimica Acta, 1976 I, 217--225

 

[PsyGhost]

Microchemical Investigations of Medicinal Plants. XIII
Separation of the Alkaloids in the Leaves of Ipomoea violacea
Using Thin Layer Chromatography

Jeffrey M. Weber and T. S. Ma
Mikrochimica Acta, 1976 I, 217--225

Right, I remember now reading from one source (a secondary source) that lsa & friends are synthesized in the leaves and translocated to forming seeds. I didn't think that the leaves themselves had enough concentration to be active. The article you gave says that the leaves have hallucinatory compounds but doesnt give the amount (maybe it did and I missed it?).

 

[jquinn]

From about 1996-1999...baby woodrose was the main psychedelic I used and I had many wonderful experiences with it. Fantastic psychedelic, though I do find the heavenly blue a bit deeper and different.

I too find LSA containing seeds to be a useful psychedelic, taken occaisionally. I likewise enjoy the convenience of HBWR. The seeds I currently have are potent enough that 4 is a good dose, and 5 is a strong trip. But, I find that even with the outer layers removed, HBWR feels more toxic, to me, than morning glory seeds, and is much more likely to induce vomiting. Also, I find morning glory to be a more visually interesting and deeper thought provoking trip as well. But of course, 300 - 400 ground up seeds can be pretty awful if not encapsulated...

 

[chuck967]

wild morning glory seeds

i live in texas,we have tons of morning glory growing wild. i have identified it as ipomoea cordatotriloba. cant find information anywhere if it contains lsa or not . can anybody help me out?

 

[Xorkoth]

Merged a question about a wild breed of morning glory seed into here.

 

[Recept]

My guess is no. Even if they do contain active alkaloids, the quantities are probably too low to use these seeds as hallucinogens.

 

[FryHead]

I have tried HBWR several times. First time I soaked 8 crushed seeds in red wine vinigar for 2 days then strained and drank. The trip was pretty strong (some mild visuals) but I felt like crap and could not enjoy it at all. I broke out in deep sweat and was holding my stomach the entire time due to the gas pressuer in my stomach.

Second time I desided to soak 6 crushed seed in normal tap water for 2 days then strain and drink. Same problems. Bad sweats, sick stomach that totaly killed the trip.

Third time I just sanded off the outer shell of the seeds and chewed 8 seeds. I took some GASX to limit the bloating in my stomach. This seemed to help as I was not crouched over holding my stomach the entire time. I also did not get the sweats like before using the extract. But the trip was not fun. My body just sick the entire time. Like I had a realy bad stomach flu. This total kills the trip for me.

Conclusion... I am done playing with these seeds. I am willing to mail them to anyone that would like to try them as I no longer need them. they were purcahsed from a very reliablwe source and I still have 80+ seeds left. Send PM if interested.

Fry tell I die!

 

[Xorkoth]

I tried HBWR seeds this past Friday, and I must say it was very nice! I chewed 8 of them and held them in my mouth sublingually for a good hour, then spit all of the pulp out. Not tasty but not bad in any way either, a very neutral taste. I then chewed and swallowed 2 more. By then, the trip was beginning, and much to my surprise, it was more euphoric than LSD, but (unsurpringly) less visual. I LOVED the body high, very pleasurable with no negatives to speak of. No sour stomach, no cramps, and only extremely mild vasoconstriction. At first I felt tired, but by hour 5 (around when the peak was), I began feeling extremely energetic, and remained so throughout the night (I took them at 11) and the next day. Mentally, I felt stimulated, but this didn't express itself until the peak or so.

Overall, I was surprised at how pleasurable and gentle it was, while still having some real power. I'm glad I finally decided to go for it with these seeds. I've not had a whole lot of experience with LSD or LSAs, but as of now I have had my most memorable lysergic experience from HBWR, this past Friday. The feeling of euphoria was beautiful and natural and very strong.

 

[PsyGhost]

sublingual?

you sir are a genius. i seriously never even thought of doing that.

And I definitely agree, the euphoria is the most blissful and natural of any psychedelic I've tried.

 

[Xorkoth]

It worked better than I expected. Probably next time I will chew 10-11 sublingually of this particular batch and not swallow any.