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The Big and Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread (Archive start - 4-14-2008)

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Just chew the whole seeds and absorb it sublingually for good while. Then spit it out. It sounds like you may be removing some of the psychoactive parts or something.

moonyham said:
hey people.

I got my seeds yesterday and thought hey fuck it, long weekend, why not! so i grabbed like 10 of em, cracked em, removed the husk, moved this wierd layer of orange shit from the ouside of the seed, crushed em up/cut em up pretty good and ate them. hour later i was feeling really sleeping, 2 hrs later even more so, then i fell asleep and woke up like, 4-5 hrs since i had taken them, no visuals, no different feeling, just REALLY tired(and no muscle, no stomach or any other cramps/pains) so i just went back to sleep.

So yeah... that was lame. there not really hairy or rough, there kind of smooth and dark, much so like these:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/show_image.php?i=hbw/argyreia_nervosa_seeds1.jpg

so yeah, tonight i was gonna dehusk about 20 of em, crush em up reallllllly fine, mix em into a paste with water, and rub em all over my gums after holding some fresh pineapple in my mouth and against my gums for like 20-30 mins and brushing my gums roughly with my toothbrush.

Btw: i asked someone last night via pm if the orangey stuff on the outside of the seeds are all good, he rekond they were, thought i might just double check...am i meant to only be concerned about taking off the husk, nothing else? oh and i assume the seeds are meant to bre grey-ish black-ish sorta... kinda like.. sunflower seeds..?(im pretty sure thats what sunflower seeds look like, i havnt seen em in a while)
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ok people...they say on the pack they are argyreia nervosa seeds, but i took 6+ last night, only effects were i was sleepy and woke up and my computer screen was sooooooooooooo bright, couldnt even look at it, and i just took 12 and can feel no effects what so ever 80 minutes after injestion.

so, wtf, do fake hbwr seeds exist? or very VERY weak ones at that? i mean 12 and nothing.. common!

ill wait it out, if nothing starts happening in 40 or so more mins im declaring these useless and will send email to vendor tellin em how much of a rip off merchant they are.
 
^^ They really do take a long time to come on. Truly 2 hours to feel much, truly 4 to really get going. What method are you taking them by?
 
chewed em up good and swallowed em and then with a bit of water and fruit juice to clear the throat of anything sticking etc.
 
LSA tolerance question

Hi guys,

Do you know what the minimum number of days is you have to wait to try HWBR or Morning glory again?
Normally I wait a week. But I have a good reason to do it tonight, but I already took a light dose of HWBR two days ago. (4 seeds)
Will I have effects if I do HWBR or Morning glory tonight, or should I just take a bigger dose?

Thanks for helping me out!
 
well i have waited a week and a month. Both times they were no way near as intense as my first time - even though after the month break i doubled my dose
 
So 2days will be to short? I always smoke 'herbs' with it to trigger the trip, does that has an influence?
 
I thought there was data that stated the tolerance build up is similar to LSD. I was unable to locate this article.
 
Sidus said:
So 2days will be to short? I always smoke 'herbs' with it to trigger the trip, does that has an influence?
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IMO, that's definately too short. I would wait atleast a week. Yeah you'll feel effects etc, but they won't be as intense as the time before that. Also negative effects (nausea,cramping) will be more common.


Definately smoke weed with HBWR/Morning glory (i presume your using either of these) as it potentiates nicely with them, whilst also minimising nausea and keeping you feeling good (which has a positive impact on the trip itself).
 
hey,

I got some new seeds and these ones are from a more reputable vendor, got fuzy husk shit etc aswell. anyways, there far too hard to deshell/crack open, last ones cracked and the seed stayed in 1 piece, and you removed the shell and it was done, where as these ones, the shell is like, a piece of the seed inside. whats the best way to deshell them without obliterating the seed inside :\
 
ok so i just got a sharp pocket knife and carefully deshelled each seed, took about 20 minutes each seed though :p

anyways i got 7 of em and ate em all(these ones were EXTRA disguisting for some reason). about 1-2hrs later i could definitly notice something, my body felt realllllllly good, and as i was lieing in bed just relaxing the blankets felt sooo good on my body. anyways when i walked it was like i was a bit tipsy from booze, except i felt light and my body was really relaxed. So i go to the bathroom and look in the mirror, and my pupils are fucking massive, so i definitly knew it wasnt placebo or some shit.


anyway, i felt like that all night but had NO visuals what so ever, which really sucked imo. I dont understand why i didnt get anything more than euphoria and extra sensitive skin, i am not heavy or anything, about 65-70kg's, maybe the seeds are not very potent??

should i just take like, 15 next time or what?
 
That your next experience after a months break wasnt as intense, doensn't really mean much. If it was a different batch, they could have been weaker seeds, if they were HBW, those degrade in potency a lot faster than morning glory's especially if not kept in a cool, dark place. There are more factors than tolerance to consider, especially with that time interval. Not having a pop at you...just saying

I've tripped, had a trip a week or two later at the same dose & that trip has been just as intense. I'd say a week is a good space between trips, i have waited longer though, just because i dont want them to become 'usual'. Im just waiting for a good day to do one at the moment, not had any glory's for about 5 months, been taking a little break from psychedelics.
 
anyway, i felt like that all night but had NO visuals what so ever, which really sucked imo. I dont understand why i didnt get anything more than euphoria and extra sensitive skin, i am not heavy or anything, about 65-70kg's, maybe the seeds are not very potent??
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Yeah they aren't very potent seeds. Different strains will have different alkaloid profiles and the profile will change depending on the age of the seed. Your experience sounds like most of mine - fresh or near fresh seeds are where the fun is :) Argyreia nervosa var nervosa usually work for me - but my supplier only has fresh one a couple of times a year.
 
@MrNice, if you were directing that at me, these are new batch, and i dont think id have any tolerance after 1 month anyway yeah? (besides i didnt trip from them the time before, so virtually no lsa went into my anyways)

@rogan, thanks for the info, ill take 20 of em(just to be safe) in 2 weeks and see how it goes xD
 
nope moonyham, it was to do with jimihawks post further up. Should have quoted, but i was just dashing a quick reply off before going out
 
Morning Glories suck imo.
600 seeds and all it did was make me feel like shit and then eventually blacked out in the video game aisle at a target.
i have no idea what caused the blackout but i had no visuals and a shitty body high that felt like i hadn't stretched my muscles in a month.
 
I sure hope my tolerance to Hawaiian Baby Woodrose eventually goes down and the magic returns :( I've tripped on HBW (Hawaiian Baby Woodrose) seeds prob. close to 25 times now total this yr. and these days even if I consume 20-25 seeds I usually get effects much milder than my early trips on 10-12 seeds. I foolishly got in a habit of doing HBW a few times a month every month and hoped I wouldn't quickly develop a psychological tolerance. I so yearn for the fresh, creative, lively, youthful, giggly, ecstatic feeling my early Woodrose trips gave me... It really was a new perspective on life and made me have a very positive outlook on my future. Now my trips on it have become such an ordinary blah feeling.

There was one exception though. One of my more recent Woodrose trips on 20 seeds actually was QUITE intense and fun and the only thing I can think of that could have caused this difference is the fact I'd preloaded for 5 days or so on very high doses of Melatonin. Some folks theorize online that if you take increasingly higher doses of Melatonin each night (start with 6 mg and work your way up to 21 or 24 mg if you can) 3-7 nights in advance of a Tryptamine or Phenethylamine psychedelic experience that your resulting trip may be stronger, more visual and longer lasting. I've tested this myself on a few occasions and indeed every time I've tripped after doing the Melatonin preload there's been an extra sparkle to my trips.

I know what I need to do is abstain from Woodrose for at least a few months but do I have the willpower to do this? Probably not. When the seeds are so cheap and easy to get it's hard to tell myself no. Do you guys find HBW seeds have a crosstolerance with Morning Glory seeds and Rivea seeds? I had heard that the 3 types of seeds contain different alkaloid profiles so perhaps even if I have a tolerance to Woodrose Rivea might still work. Have any of you guys experimented with Rivea seeds yet? I hear they're a much healthier, less nauseating feeling trip than HBW or MG (Morning Glory).

I've found that Kratom mixes marvelously with HBW. And I would like to try combining Japanese Sweet Flag (Acorus gramineus) 5X extract with my next seed trip. Perhaps combining the Sweet Flag (also commonly known as "Calamus") which is a friendly, empathogenic stimulant (with a phenethylamine structure as I recall) with a tryptamine containing seed like Woodrose could give me that much sought after "trolling" (also known as "candyflipping") feeling that one can get from mixing the right Phenethylamines and Tryptamines. :)
 
lsa extraction

my friend did a lsa extraction and it came out like dark yellow..scrapping it off the pyrex seemed like scrapping k. but does anyone know about how much lsa you lose of a naptha/alcohol extraction.. thanks
 
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