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The Big and Dandy HBWR/MGS/LSA Thread (Archive start - 4-14-2008)

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drunken_etard said:
LSD blows LSA away ....eat some acid
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Damnit if one more person says this, I will string up the spring chicken early. They are two different psychedelics! Ahh who cares what anyone who professes to be drunk says.

Some may like LSD better, some MGS better. Some (like me) think they are both good in the book. To those of you who think MGS suck.... :p

You are just jealous because those of us who like them get fantastic trips from them. Finally to those who say LSD blows MGS away..... :p 2C-E and 2C-T-7 blows your precious LSD away anyway.

And F*ck yo mama. :)
 
drunken_etard said:
LSD blows LSA away ....eat some acid
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8)

Really, why do people insist on saying this everytime LSA is mentioned? THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT DRUGS FOR GODS SAKE!!!!! :X

apples > oranges
 
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The success rate of the non-polar defat/wash ethanol extraction doesn't seem to warrant the effort. After reading a bunch on this I believe morninggloryseed is right that only a small number (maybe only one or so) of the alkaloids remain. There's an individual somewhere out here in cyberspace who performed a one step hexane (non-polar) extraction on one of the LSAs containing seeds and evaporated to a powder that was supposed to be active at around 10mg or so I believe. He commented on it being relatively unstable, but speculated that conversion to a salt (I think the individual specified hcl) could improve stability. I always thought it would be interesting if someone were to test all of this and see if there is any truth behind it. If so it seems it would debunk the general opinion that the alkaloids aren't soluble in pet. ether.
 
MorningGlorySeeds:

I apologize if you've answered this in a previous thread, but after reading the discussion pertaining to what I assume is the extraction of LSA via Ethanol/Alcohol (the one that can be found on erowid), could you provide a more detailed explanation of what you think is the "best" method of extraction (if any at all)? I know you reference soaking in cold water, but is that grinded seeds? Whole seeds?

I'm relatively new to the Morning Glory scene, but I'm extremely interested in pursuing them as a viable alternative to LSD (which, let's be honest, is slowly fading in the FDA's grim drug coffers).

Thanks!
 
My most dramatic experiences have (for the most part) been with eating the ground seed matter, although I have had one very memorable experience with drinking a water extract (ground seed soaked for 6hr in distilled water)…it involved a significant amount of seeds to get those effects. I really want to experiment with using a pinch of tartaric acid along with the water extracts….I bet that would make a potent brew.
 
I was under the distinct impression that eating seed matter resulted in severe intestinal problems? Is this not the case?

Additionally, the guide on erowid says that, with the alcohol brew, one almost immediately feels the effects of LSA... is this true?
 
To the first question...it causes some pretty heavy nausea and vomiting, but I've never had anything below the tummy. As for the other....the "FAQ" that you read that from is filled with factual errors...the 'fish eye compound' one right?

The lysergamides in the seeds take even longer than LSD to peak...3-5 hours regardless of whether or not you make an extraction.
 
Then, in your opinion, if you were to consume the seeds using a method that REMOVED nausea/vomitting, how would you go about doing it?
 
I don't think that is possible. Even with water extractions, there is going to be some nausea though certainly no where near as severe as eating the seeds.
 
englar said:
Then, in your opinion, if you were to consume the seeds using a method that REMOVED nausea/vomitting, how would you go about doing it?
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The nauesa you get after eating the seeds only lasts like 20 minutes, if you smoke weed it goes away completely. It's only slight unease, make sure you get ORGANIC seeds.

The nauesa from the oganic seeds is fine, the nauesa you get the next day from the pesticides is HORRIBLE.

Trust me, I ate 400 home depot morning glory seeds. The trip was fun, the nauesa was fine, the next day I had to purge myself of the poison, it wasn't pretty.

it was PAINFUL to be alive until I finally shat it out.

Anyway, just chew the ORGANIC seeds, chew them to pulp and swallow with water. Maybe sure you only ate a light meal earlier.

Anything below 200 seeds is probably threashold-light effects for LSA, i ate 400 and I was trippin badly off MGS. I never triped as much off of HBWS, not even 15 of em.
 
ok, my nausia lasted over an hour. it was hellish and i had no bud (the fact that i was watching a tv program about world dictators while coming up probably didnt help any, well the trip anyway). i felt like i couldnt move and if i did i would puke, which was true. i was like taht for a whileee and it was still bad after i puked.

i got mine from lowes, and washed em off with soap and watter first, and had no next day nausia.
 
Alcohol and Water Amounts

I am new here. I do not take illegal drugs but find this topic interesting. I am a very spiritual/religious person. Does anyone *know* the best amount of ethanol and water per seed or gram? It seems like too little and the active stuff does not get dissolved and too much and the bad stuff dissolves.

What is the fish eye effect?

Thanks
 
MG HB Ethanol Water Extraction

I found this report on the web most interesting and have some questions:


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After extensive reading, these are general conclusions:

1) The desired materials are soluble in both water and ethanol (the alcohol in drinks such as beer, wine, and stronger liquor). The "nausea toxin" is soluble in water but not in ethanol so ethanol extraction removes "nausea toxin". The "fish eye toxin" is not soluble in water (use purified water without chlorine). This is more toxic and causes headaches, blurred vision, "fish eye vision" (whatever that is), and may counteract the desired materials. "Naptha" is highly poisonous and should not be used.
2) The weight of a seed varies quite a bit (30-39 mg/seed). Because of this variation it is better to compare dose by weight rather than by seed count. 8 grams is a mild dose, 14 grams is a fairly good dose (MG HB).

Extraction Technique

1) 10 gram MG HB (254 seeds) [39 mg/seed].
2) Grind seeds in coffee grinder using short bursts to prevent heat until fine dust. Yellow dust and black seed coat resulted.
3) Ethanol: Place dust in bottle. Add 100 ml 95% ethanol. Mix from time to time but keep in refrigerator with lid. Let stand overnight. A yellow fairly clear liquid resulted on top. On bottom was the mush. In between was a white layer that seemed to have strands in it. Filter with funnel and coffee filter (20 minutes). Place fan over jar overnight to evaporate ethanol. Light yellow film resulted at bottom of jar.
4) Water: 400 ml of purified water added to jar. As before it was mixed during the day and was kept in refrigerator overnight to settle. The water appeared hazy white without layers. There seemed to be strands. Filtered with funnel and coffee filter (fast). There did not appear to be anything on the filter and the solution/partial solution appeared the same.

Experience

No other drugs used. Dosed in 5 increments every 30 minutes from 7 am to 9 am. It tasted fine. When taking last dose (2 hours from first) began to feel strange. Did not get much sleep the night before so began to meditate. Felt euphoric then fell asleep. Woke up about 45 minutes later feeling euphoric. When I got up and began to do things fear arose. Felt best lying down with low light and very soft music or silence. There was no nausea. No leg cramps. For a short while my anus hurt like some kind of spasm. No visuals. Heard constant ringing in my ears. It was introspective/emotional but thinking was not clear. I do not think I could have been able to carry on a conversation or be around others. The effect seemed moderate overall. By night I was ready to go to sleep and awoke the next day feeling well.

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Questions:

1. What do people think of this?

1. Was too little ethanol used to fully dissolve the active ingredients? It seems that if too little is used then all the active ingredients may not be dissolved. It seems that if too much were used then some of the toxins might be dissolved. Does anyone *know* the ideal ethanol amount per mg or seed dose?

2. Was too much water used? The white liquid seemed to be something partially dissolved. If less were used then perhaps more toxins would be removed. If too little were used then the active ingredients might not be fully dissolved. Does anyone *know* the ideal water amount per mg or seed dose?

3. Is the yellow material what is desired?

4. What is the "fish eye toxin"?


Thanks. Just interested in learning about this new subject.
 
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I heard about an extraction method using tartric acid. Someone has serious info about it?
 
Questions about LSA and Morning Glory Seeds

Just had a few questions about ways that I can get a good psychedelic experience with these. Never tried them before and I have limited resources to use (since I don't have a car yet or a job :( ). Anyways here are a few questions...

How many of these seeds does it take for a proper psychedelic effect (close to LSD?)

My friends told me that you can just crush them up, soak them in vodka for 24 hours then filter it out or drink the alcohol and you it is sufficient for a good trip, is this true? If not what are some easy meathods that do not require many resources?

Is there any way to stop or weaken the nausea that I have heard comes with the trip?

If I think of any more, I'll ask them later. Thanks.
 
DoorsofPerception said:
Just had a few questions about ways that I can get a good psychedelic experience with these. Never tried them before and I have limited resources to use (since I don't have a car yet or a job :( ). Anyways here are a few questions...

How many of these seeds does it take for a proper psychedelic effect (close to LSD?)

My friends told me that you can just crush them up, soak them in vodka for 24 hours then filter it out or drink the alcohol and you it is sufficient for a good trip, is this true? If not what are some easy meathods that do not require many resources?

Is there any way to stop or weaken the nausea that I have heard comes with the trip?

If I think of any more, I'll ask them later. Thanks.
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Try reading this thread. It will answer any and all questions.
 
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